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Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 8, 2009 | SIOBHAN GORMAN

Posted on 04/07/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th

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To: teenyelliott
Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure.

That reminds me....is the PATRIOT Act still on the books? I thought that was Exhibit A in the left's indictment against the previous "regime". If the Dem-controlled govt hasn't repealed it yet....why not?

151 posted on 04/08/2009 10:50:25 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

So are you ready to spend an extra $100,000 or so for this?


152 posted on 04/08/2009 10:57:50 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
So are you ready to spend an extra $100,000 or so for this?

At this time I don't have the money. Wish me luck in my job search. :)

But if I did have the money to spend on this, then, yes, absolutely. It's definitely worth it.

When dependence on someone else or something else is decreased, freedom is increased.

I think that anybody with the means to live "off the grid" should do so.

153 posted on 04/08/2009 11:14:30 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Momaw Nadon
But if I did have the money to spend on this, then, yes, absolutely. It's definitely worth it.

Sorry, I wouldn't spend my money this way.

And I was out of power after Hurricane Ike for several days.

I do own a small gasoline powered generator. It didn't cost me $100,000.

154 posted on 04/08/2009 11:18:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Ping fer later..


155 posted on 04/08/2009 11:19:20 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Maybe we should elect illegals to congress to cut costs.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

For about $6k I bought a used diesel generator (24 kw) you could probably do smaller.

350 gallons was about $800 back in Nov and will still be good fuel 5 years from now.

Solar and wind is so fickle and costly I haven’t put even $1k into it. You gotta do the numbers.

Also know that your solar panels have to see the sun to generate electric and that also means they must be visible from anyone or anything overflying your land too. No way to hide solar.


156 posted on 04/08/2009 11:22:25 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Momaw Nadon
Wish me luck in my job search. :)

Sorry, I forgot to include my best wishes on your search.

I was once out of work for 3 months. I know it can be rough. My family has made several sacrifices to avoid it since then; we know how rough it can be.

157 posted on 04/08/2009 11:22:43 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Momaw Nadon

GOOD LUCK, FRiend!


158 posted on 04/08/2009 11:24:22 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: George from New England

If I was to build solar I’d do it this way:

10 panels (100 watts $400 ea) - $4k

Controller/charger about $3k

Batteries to allow minimal usage at night, 6 to 12 marine 12v at about $1k

Plenty of electrical/engineering ingenuity: priceless

So maybe $10,000

Good luck.


159 posted on 04/08/2009 11:26:36 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England

1,000 Watts peak capacity during the summer afternoon.

How much power is this system going tp produce on average?

Maybe 200 watts average? Less through the winter?


160 posted on 04/08/2009 11:29:30 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney; George from New England

Gasoline powered generators may be an option to look into as well. If a person went the gasoline generator route, they would need to ensure that they would always have access to a supply of gasoline. I suppose it depends on what is the most cost efficient in the long term and also by what can be sustained indefinitely if supply lines are cut.


161 posted on 04/08/2009 11:33:38 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: thackney

You are right. If lucky 1000 watts for 6 hours on the sunny days.

But if we are in tough times, without an electric grid, this will power maybe a computer/monitor, radio, satellite receiver, medium size flatscreen TV, ham radio gear.

I don’t even see this 1000 watt peak system running a well pump. It’s just allows one to maintain communication and some entertainment to bide ones time.


162 posted on 04/08/2009 11:40:11 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England
12 marine 12v

A really good deep cycle battery would provide 75 Amp-Hour rating.

http://www.batteriesplus.com/pc-23900-86-optima-31-blue-top-marine-deep-cycle-battery.aspx

12 batteries times 12 volts times 6.25 amps for 12 hours equals 900 watthours. Evenly spaced out over 12 hours you can draw 4 amps at 120V.

Big difference the power consumption at 240V and 12V.

Trying running your oven or air condition off of those.

Also after three years of fully charging and discharging those batteries every day, you are not going to have half that capacity left.

http://www.powerstridebattery.com/sidebar/deep-cycle-batteries.html

163 posted on 04/08/2009 11:43:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Oh no air conditioning, all cooking would have to be non-electric.

Gotta a grill and 250 gallons of underground buried propane.


164 posted on 04/08/2009 11:46:32 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: thackney
my best wishes on your search

Thank you!

165 posted on 04/08/2009 11:57:15 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Travis T. OJustice
GOOD LUCK, FRiend!

Thanks!

166 posted on 04/08/2009 11:58:25 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: MrPiper

I have a pond in the front, so at least I can flush the toilet if we’re without electricity. So, I’m not going to fuss with any outhouse.

Good luck on that, though.


167 posted on 04/08/2009 12:41:02 PM PDT by keats5
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To: teenyelliott

How much did your hand pump cost you? Did you have it installed?


168 posted on 04/08/2009 12:42:13 PM PDT by keats5
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To: keats5

The pump we had installed a couple of weeks ago was $500.00. They also had a $200.00 option, but I wanted the best they had. I do not know what the difference is, I just didn’t want to take any chances. I do know that this one does not have to be used on a regular basis to prevent the leathers from drying out, nor will it freeze. It goes down over a hundred feet.

I am lucky to have a well company nearby that I trust. They are a family company that only does wells, they’ve been here forever, and they even dug my original well back in ‘72 when the house was built.


169 posted on 04/08/2009 2:49:01 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Calpernia
CIA Says Hackers Have Cut Power Grid

Trial balloon from the fine folks who brought you the cartoon of TWA-800 gaining altitude after it disintegrated? If so, when the power goes out, the media and the brain numbed will gleefully eat the story that [insert favorite terrorist group here] did it over the internet. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

170 posted on 04/08/2009 4:01:51 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple! I don't have ADD, it's just dyslexia and, wait... do you like waffles?)
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To: Snoopers-868th

“It seems the more advanced we become the more vulnerable we are.”

Exactly. Technology is nice and makes life more comfortable, but one day it will bite us in the ass.


171 posted on 04/08/2009 4:36:26 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: teenyelliott

Funny, I just commented about having my hand pump installed last week.

Best keep yo tongue off that pump handle in the winter.


172 posted on 04/08/2009 5:57:14 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: teenyelliott

“Last week, Senate Democrats introduced a proposal that would require all critical infrastructure companies to meet new cybersecurity standards and grant the president emergency powers over control of the grid systems and other infrastructure. “

That’s really what this is all about.


173 posted on 04/08/2009 7:08:58 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Snoopers-868th

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/866500/posts Texas sheriff warns of unidentified troops - (foreign troops in America)


174 posted on 04/09/2009 2:51:16 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Drag The Waters some more like never before !)
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