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Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated by Spies
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 8, 2009 | SIOBHAN GORMAN

Posted on 04/07/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th

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To: Brad's Gramma

But fortunately we can’t do anything because that would dis the Chinese and Russians.


51 posted on 04/07/2009 8:23:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And the Kenyan...


52 posted on 04/07/2009 8:25:03 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Hey, don’t we have any hackers who could pwn the Chicoms and Rooskies right back?


53 posted on 04/07/2009 8:25:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’re asking a GRANDMOTHER?

Eeeeeeeek!


54 posted on 04/07/2009 8:26:09 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: pissant

I’m certain Janet Napolitano will show them the back way into all the plants and come up with some silly excuse for their mahem when it’s over.


55 posted on 04/07/2009 8:27:45 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Snoopers-868th
THIS just in on the wire.......
president obama will immediately place an embargo on all DIET-PEPSI from entering China and Russia as a protest against the Electrical Grid spying!

56 posted on 04/07/2009 8:28:39 PM PDT by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: Snoopers-868th
If so, I would suspect that computers is how they control them.

This type of control can be done without using the public internet. All it takes is the use of a private network which as no internet connectivity. Infiltrating the latter would be far more difficult than getting in through the internet.

I think that if these critical systems were indeed connected to the internet in some way, a hack would have been found and some script kiddie would have brought down the entire US power grid just for kicks.

57 posted on 04/07/2009 8:29:54 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Never too late to learn


58 posted on 04/07/2009 8:36:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

The spies came from China, Russia

Anyone who thinks the Cold War is over--pull your head out of the sand!
59 posted on 04/07/2009 8:37:44 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: pnh102

Semi-publicly connected, perhaps through dial up modems.

Also how many people have passwords to these systems on their laptop computers? Add the Spyware du Jour and we have....


60 posted on 04/07/2009 8:38:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: pissant
Let me guess. Chicoms

Shocking isn't it?

61 posted on 04/07/2009 8:44:28 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess they’d never suspect me, would they?


62 posted on 04/07/2009 8:45:45 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: teenyelliott
Interesting bit of information.

When I saw this thread, and saw who the spies were, my first thought was they will have to be fast to disrupt the grid before Obama and his handlers start to do it in order to control the masses and their foolish ideas of freedom...and that pesky Constitution thingie.

63 posted on 04/07/2009 8:47:52 PM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: Snoopers-868th
It seems the more advanced we become the more vulnerable we are.

We have a light airy system conducive to efficiency - - the opposite of "secure".

64 posted on 04/07/2009 8:48:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (Quisling:politicians who favor the interests of other nations or cultures over their own.Wikipedia)
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To: teenyelliott

I can say Hurricane Andrew too. WEEKS! It’s not that hard. Night vision, lanterns, oil lamps, generators that work on propane and the moon will give good light at night for about 10 days. Plan ahead. Sit in the dark for 2 hours one night. No power. By the end of that time, trust me, you will know exactly what you need for your shopping list the next day.

Groups like Blackwater train to do things in the dark and they also train others. The average little lib weenie or ACORN member wouldn’t know whether to sh*t or go blind.


65 posted on 04/07/2009 8:48:38 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: Syncro
Control the power, the water, the food, the banks, the guns, the ammo...really makes me wonder what is going to happen.
66 posted on 04/07/2009 8:51:52 PM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

She’ll blame Sheriff Arpaio


67 posted on 04/07/2009 8:54:08 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: teenyelliott

This passive aggressive stuff from Pres. Robin Hood has to stop. It will be a cold day in hell before I trust anything he does.


68 posted on 04/07/2009 8:54:26 PM PDT by chief_believer
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To: GOPJ

Yea, and this group of idiots intend to computerize our medical records. Yet, the same government doesn’t want to tell us who is getting all the money we the people are paying in bailouts.


69 posted on 04/07/2009 8:55:03 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

This is why Obama is an idiot trusting the Russians, or the Chinese at ALL, on anything (especially things like the Nukes).

I mean, seriously, how can even die-hard Commies come to ANY conclusion other than Obama is an imbecile??? Putin may be friends with Chavez, for instance, but I’m sure they don’t completely “TRUST” each other either.

If someone was going to build the “perfect” communist government out of people in our world today — Obama would be nowhere NEAR the “short-list” (or the REALLY LONG one! LOL). The man is DANGEROUSLY IGNORANT!


70 posted on 04/07/2009 8:58:56 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: pissant

Entirely possible.


71 posted on 04/07/2009 9:09:03 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Snoopers-868th

Yeah, increasing dependence on fragility is not exactly the wisest strategy.


72 posted on 04/07/2009 9:11:06 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: Brad's Gramma
I guess they’d never suspect me, would they? Perhaps you're getting ahead of yourself.
73 posted on 04/07/2009 9:13:01 PM PDT by chief_believer
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To: Snoopers-868th

Too convenient to have this come out now, after the POTUS requests emergency powers over the infrastructure. This is how he’s gonna ram his “smart” grid down our throats.


74 posted on 04/07/2009 9:13:29 PM PDT by papasmurf (Trow da' bum out!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Perhaps you’re getting ahead of yourself.


75 posted on 04/07/2009 9:13:40 PM PDT by chief_believer
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To: keats5

I am saving money left and right to have a well dug, and a hand pump put on it. Or, I’ll just put out every container I have and prepare for rain.


76 posted on 04/07/2009 9:18:36 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: chief_believer

Ya THINK?


77 posted on 04/07/2009 9:20:40 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: teenyelliott

Perhaps I’m just a wee bit paranoid. Everything the guy does seems sinister to me.
________________________________

You’re not alone. This guy is one Evil SOB.


78 posted on 04/07/2009 9:25:56 PM PDT by unkus
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To: jacquej

FUD? I’ll probably smack myself for not knowing.


79 posted on 04/07/2009 9:27:15 PM PDT by unkus
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To: glock rocks
After about five days off the grid, hungry people will be driving trucks through the front door of Albertsons/Safeway/Acme. After another five, they’ll be roaming the neighborhood. A month? Sarajevo.
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When does “Mad Max” enter the equation?

80 posted on 04/07/2009 9:29:10 PM PDT by unkus
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To: the_Watchman; Snoopers-868th; All
The story is leaked now in order to give cover to the Cybersecurity legislation which puts the internet under White House control. I already heard an earlier story about the millions spent by the Pentagon fixing cyberspace break-ins.

Terrorism will be denied by this administration until they want to use it to justify treading on our liberty. [In usual form, this is the strategy that they blamed on Bush.]

From CDT | Center for Democracy & Technology

"Cybersecurity Bill Proposes Unprecedented Government Power Over the Internet
A cybersecurity bill introduced today in the Senate would give the federal government extraordinary power over private sector Internet services, applications and software. The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 would, for example, give the President unfettered power to shut down Internet traffic in emergencies or disconnect any critical infrastructure system or network on national security grounds. The bill would grant the Commerce Department the ability to override all privacy laws to access any information about Internet usage in connection with a new role in tracking cybersecurity threats. The bill, introduced by Sens. John Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe, would also give the government unprecedented control over computer software and Internet services, threatening innovation, freedom and privacy. CDT President and CEO Leslie Harris said, "The cybersecurity threat is real, but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy." April 01, 2009

and

Cybersecurity Act of 2009

and

Bill Creating a White House Cybersecurity Advisor

81 posted on 04/07/2009 9:30:11 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Snoopers-868th

I believe Gertz wrote a book that said this very thing would happen. He said the Chinese were working on this. Take down the grid and everything stops. Everything.


82 posted on 04/07/2009 9:31:30 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

As in pickup troock. That’s how they say truck in Oklahoma
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LOL

Put a tarp in the back of the trook and you’ve got a swimmin pull.


83 posted on 04/07/2009 9:32:06 PM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus

We’ll all smack you...

Fear Uncertainty and Doubt.

Compare to Microsoft’s tactics...


84 posted on 04/07/2009 9:32:13 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 78 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

More change we can believe in.


85 posted on 04/07/2009 9:32:59 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Snoopers-868th

Luck favors the prepared.


86 posted on 04/07/2009 9:36:26 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: null and void

I just smacked myself...twice. Thanks.


87 posted on 04/07/2009 9:37:10 PM PDT by unkus
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To: LibertyRocks

If someone was going to build the “perfect” communist government out of people in our world today — Obama would be nowhere NEAR the “short-list” (or the REALLY LONG one! LOL). The man is DANGEROUSLY IGNORANT!


0bama is a Stooge and a Street Thug. He’s very dangerous and we’re in the creek without a paddle.


88 posted on 04/07/2009 9:40:38 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Snoopers-868th

It is just a matter of time until something much worse than 911 happens here at home. Our leaders are more concerned with helping the rest of the world than worrying about attacks here.


89 posted on 04/07/2009 9:57:21 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Snoopers-868th
One of the many fragilities attendant to the glaring lack of buffer capacity.
90 posted on 04/07/2009 10:02:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (From Messiah to Massah in one swell foop.)
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To: Snoopers-868th
It seems the more advanced we become the more vulnerable we are.

You can say that again!

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91 posted on 04/07/2009 10:09:57 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Hey Liberals.. We don't lower our standards, so up yours!" - Andrew Wilkow show)
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To: teenyelliott; Brad's Gramma; unkus; Quix

You know... I wonder... While I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia and China did this, something else just occurred to me, and I think it’s something to consider...

You don’t suppose Obama’s buddies would be LYING about this in order to create an EXCUSE for giving him complete control over our energy companies, AND the INTERNET, do you?

Pretty sure that bill they’re referring to is the same one people discussed here a few days back, but was identified as an attempt to squelch FREE SPEECH and takeover of the Internet (one of the sponsors is “RINO” Olympia Snowe).

Since the response last week to the bill was immediate and vocal, they could’ve realized they needed to re-focus the public on the electrical grid component of the bill, and using something like this particular situation to push it, would allow them to better hide the Internet related provisions of the bill, too...

I hope my ‘conspiracy theory’ is due to my cold/flu, and the meds I’m on right now more than anything else! ROFL Let me know if you have no clue what I’m trying to say when you read this as well, please! LOL


92 posted on 04/07/2009 10:11:52 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks
You don’t suppose Obama’s buddies would be LYING about this in order to create an EXCUSE for giving him complete control over our energy companies, AND the INTERNET, do you?

Read on. You're not the only one feeling that way......

93 posted on 04/07/2009 10:13:11 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: null and void

See #92 — something occurred to me when I came back to the thread to reply to someone... I hope I’m just having a temporaray case of medicine-caused paranoia! LOL


94 posted on 04/07/2009 10:14:07 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Oh, good! Thank you! :)


95 posted on 04/07/2009 10:15:51 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Only the paranoid survive. - Andy Grove, founder of Intel.


96 posted on 04/07/2009 10:17:02 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 78 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: LibertyRocks
Our Government is in the hands of power-hungry Fascists.. So, yup! They have, are and will lie to us. They are going to control the votes soon.. It's all over.
97 posted on 04/07/2009 10:20:52 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts ("Hey Liberals.. We don't lower our standards, so up yours!" - Andrew Wilkow show)
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To: the_Watchman

The Democrats are MASTERS at “projection”!

One could argue that even when some Conservatives had serious concerns about some of Bush’s decisions while in office, it is much more likely his INTENTIONS were good — that he did what he thought best.

The Democrats on the other hand — their hypocrisy is absolutely STUNNING! This is nothing more than a big game to them, and so many of the people who support them don’t recognize how truly EVIL these people can be. (And, I say that knowing full well that the Dems will deny that till the cows come home, especially in light of today’s announcement by Deepak Chopra “evil & Satan” are a MYTH, and don’t exist. How can you be something that doesn’t exist? Awful convenient...)


98 posted on 04/07/2009 10:21:04 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

I fully believe they ALREADY control the votes, and have for a while actually. Obama’s election, and the fake ACORN show investigations (all charges now being dropped) should be enough proof really for those who were still “on the fence” regarding whether it was happening or not. Many of the “Third parties” in our country have been screaming about this for DECADES now, and I have to admit I’ve seen distressing problems myself in the past...

Some of the problems I witnessed didn’t even have anything to do with fraud or corruption, but instead problems with possible mechanical malfunctions that would interfere with getting a correct count — and that’s bad enough! (Never mind the fact that one particular voting machine company is OWNED BY VENEZUELA’S COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT/CHAVEZ! Talk about insanity!)

Even though I fully know the DNC and Obama are total fascists/Communists sometimes I’m still surprised at times by the boldness of their schemes and lies.


99 posted on 04/07/2009 10:30:21 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: null and void

Excellent! I’ll have to remember that quote. I’ve never heard it before...

The one I usually remember is; “Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you!”. Not sure who said it though! LOL


100 posted on 04/07/2009 10:31:21 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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