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More H-1B Visas, More U.S. Tech Layoffs
The New American ^ | Wednesday, 08 April 2009 05:38 | William F. Jasper

Posted on 04/08/2009 11:49:25 AM PDT by algernonpj

The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) announced on April 8 it has received enough H-1B applications to meet the congressionally mandated cap of 85,000 H-1B visas for fiscal year 2009. The H-1B visas are given to foreign workers in “specialty occupations” (science, engineering, law, medicine, computer programming, etc.) where U.S. employers have filed petitions claiming there are not qualified U.S. applicants to fill the jobs.

The total current 85,000 includes an annual 65,000 “cap” and an additional 20,000 exemptions for applicants with advanced degrees. If precedent holds, other exemptions will add tens of thousands more; in 2008 the number of H-1B visas, including exemptions, totaled about 122,000.

The 85,000 H-1B visas about equal the number of domestic tech workers laid off recently. MarketWatch.com reported on April 6 that “high-tech companies announced job cuts totaling 84,217 in the first quarter,” the steepest reduction since the fourth-quarter lay-offs of 2002. “The latest decline follows 66,312 reported layoffs in the 2008 fourth,” the MarketWatch report continued, noting job cuts “have risen five straight quarters.” That, of course, is but part of the job-loss picture; nearly ten times that number of workers were laid off, in all occupations, during the month of March. The U.S. economy lost 663,000 jobs in March and the unemployment rate shot up to a 26-year high of 8.5 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: h1b; layoffs; newamerican; tech; unemployment
Lay off 85,000 techies and bring in 85,000 more H-1B's.

While U3 unemployment is 8.5%, U6 is 15%+. U6 represents U3 unemployment before Clinton / Greenspan 'improved it'.

Also, while 500,000 jobs (give or take) are being lost each month a total of 130,000 new workers (guest workers and green cards) are being brought into the country each month.

First post, so please be kind re any errors

1 posted on 04/08/2009 11:49:25 AM PDT by algernonpj
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To: ShadowAce

/mark


2 posted on 04/08/2009 11:57:32 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: algernonpj

But they’re doing work that Americans won’t do. /s


3 posted on 04/08/2009 12:01:15 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: algernonpj
"H-1B visas are given to foreign workers in “specialty occupations” (science, engineering, law, medicine, computer programming, etc.) where U.S. employers have filed petitions claiming there are not qualified U.S. applicants to fill the jobs."

Right. Like we don't have too many lawyers, already.

Oh, I get it. Maybe most of the one's we have, aren't actually qualified.

4 posted on 04/08/2009 12:03:30 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: algernonpj
Excellent post. Politicians are trying to destroy American jobs and import foreign workers for those jobs that remain. Things are getting worse every day and the politicians are doing everything to destroy America.
5 posted on 04/08/2009 12:06:49 PM PDT by detective
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To: algernonpj

IBM is sending 10’s of thousands of jobs overseas - train the replacement foreigner then get fired. The U.S. should do no further business with them until they right this wrong.


6 posted on 04/08/2009 12:09:40 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: detective

I work in IT and many jobs are outsourced to India...so the 85K is a small number in comparison to how many American jobs have already been dished out overseas. Trust me, these contractors do not have nearly the skills they pretend to. they create big messes we have to correct over here in the end. Honestly.


7 posted on 04/08/2009 12:11:16 PM PDT by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: algernonpj

Great post. Wonder when the h1-b, open borders, globalist types are going to chime in claiming how great this is??


8 posted on 04/08/2009 12:15:31 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: algernonpj

I think this article is wrong. I believe USCIS announced that the quota was not met by April 7 so they were still accepting H1B petitions.


9 posted on 04/08/2009 12:19:17 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: All

Alas, your conservative brethren here on FR feel it is their right as business owners to import cheap labor and that they shouldn’t be forced to pay an “American salary.”

Folks, the middle class is being systematically eliminated from both ends.

Lower End: Cheap illegal Hispanic labor
Upper End: H1B Visa Holders

Make all the cheap plastic crap you want in China but if there isn’t a middle class to buy it from Wal-Mart what have you really accomplished?

Related Threads:

H-1B Want Ads Show that American Corporations are Giving 1st Crack at US Jobs to Foreign Workers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2219914/posts

U.S. Visa Limits Hit Indian Workers (Cry me a f-ing’ river)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223161/posts

U.S. private sector job losses rise in March
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2219772/posts


10 posted on 04/08/2009 12:20:42 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: sevinufnine

Don’t forget these visas are good for at least 6 years, so its
85,000 x 6 - (510,000) minimally at any given time. In 2008, it was ~122,000 x 6 (732,000).

In India H-1B visas are call the ‘off-shoring visas’ because they are used to support off shore operations.


11 posted on 04/08/2009 12:20:57 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: MikeWUSAF

“Alas, your conservative brethren here on FR feel it is their right as business owners to import cheap labor and that they shouldn’t be forced to pay an “American salary.””


That is BS.

Open borders is a libertarian position, conservatives are the only group that is anti mass-immigration, except for those so-called “economic conservatives” that are also known as libertarian/conservatives.


12 posted on 04/08/2009 12:33:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Unam Sanctam

‘I think this article is wrong. I believe USCIS announced that the quota was not met by April 7 so they were still accepting H1B petitions.’

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USCIC announced today that the quota has been reached:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=c5b6628090e29110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=68439c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD


13 posted on 04/08/2009 12:35:21 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

OK, hadn’t seen that one.


14 posted on 04/08/2009 12:42:50 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: algernonpj

Actually, the notice you linked to was from last year (2008), for FY 2009 (which started last October 1, 2008). s far as I can tell, the USCIS’s notice of yesterday that FY 2010 cap filings hadn’t yet met the quota still governs.


15 posted on 04/08/2009 12:45:54 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Do you have the link; I know yesterday an attempt to get USCIS to confirm or deny that the quota was met was not answered.


16 posted on 04/08/2009 12:55:47 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

Here’s a link, although it’s not on proper USCIS leterhead, and I couldn’t find it on the USCIS website:

http://www.ilw.com/immigdaily/news/2009,0409-h1b.shtm


17 posted on 04/08/2009 1:03:08 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: sevinufnine

You mean one of those messes like when I call and can’t understand a word they’re saying so I demand to talk to someone in the United States who speaks clear fluent English? ;-)


18 posted on 04/08/2009 1:31:34 PM PDT by Grumpybutt
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To: algernonpj

How long until a laid-off U.S. techie decides to take it out on his office full of H1-Bs?


19 posted on 04/08/2009 1:33:18 PM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: sevinufnine
Trust me, these contractors do not have nearly the skills they pretend to. they create big messes we have to correct over here in the end. Honestly.

In 2001, we had to spend $250,000 to correct what 5 Indian H1-B's had done in programming faulty Active X server components for a big ecommerce website, which caused it to fail under heavy loads. I have paid higher salaries and used American workers ever since and have been very happy. My best 2 programmers were HS/college students I personally trained. The time and expense was well worth it.

20 posted on 04/08/2009 1:37:43 PM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Thanks. The New American Usually does not make errors like that. I quickly checked the USCIS web page and admit I did not notice the date at the bottom. But I’ve become convinced a lot of government documentation purposely is both ‘hidden’ in plain sight, and presented in a confusing manner.

Nonetheless, 84,217 job cuts were announced and the 85,000 will be reached, sooner rather than later. The cutoff was reached on April 8, in 2008, on April 2, in 2007, an May 6, in 2006.


21 posted on 04/08/2009 2:00:09 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: sevinufnine

‘Trust me, these contractors do not have nearly the skills they pretend to.’

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I have a friend who was told by the H-1B’s that he was going to be replaced by them because he was ‘a stupid lazy American’.

These same H-1B’s were responsible for a major billing error, that cost the company millions.


22 posted on 04/08/2009 2:09:57 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Grumpybutt; sevinufnine

“You mean one of those messes like when I call and can’t understand a word they’re saying so I demand to talk to someone in the United States who speaks clear fluent English? ;-):

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I’m glad I’m not the only one doing that.


23 posted on 04/08/2009 2:12:11 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: FreepShop1

‘How long until a laid-off U.S. techie decides to take it out on his office full of H1-Bs?’

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Better that than what happened to Kevin Flanagan.

Of course, the MSM would blame it on the gun that picked itself up, loaded itself, marched off to the office, bypassed security, and proceed to kill for no apparent reason.
/sarc


24 posted on 04/08/2009 2:22:07 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: MikeWUSAF
“Alas, your conservative brethren here on FR feel it is their right as business owners to import cheap labor and that they shouldn’t be forced to pay an “American salary.””

You couldn't be more wrong. Just read the posts on illegal immigration. Read the posts on trade with China. Conservatives and FReepers are the only ones standing up to this stuff. When the Kennedy immigration bill was a sure thing and certain to pass, who do you think came out of nowhere at the 11th hour to defeat it? Go talk to Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid and the other Democrats. They are the ones trying to destroy the middle class.

25 posted on 04/08/2009 3:29:22 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective; ansel12

I think you would be surprised at some of our Benedict FReepers....

H-1B Want Ads Show that American Corporations are Giving 1st Crack at US Jobs to Foreign Workers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2219914/posts
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I make no excuses for conditions created by ill-conceived laws. There is much room for debate on how to control the availability of skilled workers. However, I will not expect a business owner to pay a higher salary for less skill when his competition is not required to do the same. Any American that thinks they are entitled to a domestic job better get used to being unemployed.

48 posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:55:52 PM by Niteranger68
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Don’t blame me for foreigners beating you out of a job, perhaps, they found those foreigners more attractive while you appeared closer to “The Ugly American”, metaphysically speaking, of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American

43 posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:20:28 PM by A. Morgan (Every night I pray that Rezko and Blago roll over on Obama!)
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I refuse to believe that Americans cannot be retrained or that there is simply not enough technology and engineering types available to fill these positions.

Then you are living in denial. I’m an IT recruiter at one of the largest software companies in the world. There are nowhere nearly enough US citizens to do the work we need. Most American college students are majoring in liberal arts.

50 posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:17:10 PM by Rocky Mountain High
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“using FORIEGNERS BEFORE QUALIFIED AMERICANS to boost their lines”

These anti-capitalist rants seem to get more common in this forum. Maybe it is time to merge with anarchist & Michael Moore fansites? Clearly, there is a lot of common ground.

The purpose of any company is to make money. End of story. Otherwise, they are doomed. No, corporations do not exist to make “social good”, “combat climate change” or “generate jobs for americans” etc. At least profit-generating corporations don’t. Maybe Obama will change that. All corporations exists for the State and report to the State.

I have no idea where you have worked abroad. Since you refer to World Cup, take a look at English Premiership. Most coaches and players in top teams are foreigners.

There are a lot of americans working abroad. Typically, they are the most qualified americans. In other words, if they have to return home (because similar anti-foreigner mood abroad), they will often take jobs for current US citizens. I’ve seen this first hand, ie returning US expats taking jobs away from current less senior US workers.

This socialist ACORN-crap does not really help anybody.

49 posted on Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:05:15 PM by heiss
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26 posted on 04/08/2009 6:32:20 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Evidently you didn’t read my post to you. I am well aware that we have a small number of libertarians and Giuliani/Romney type “economic conservatives” here.

You made the mistake of mislabeling freerepublic as pro immigration which is ridiculous.

You were mistaken.

““Alas, your conservative brethren here on FR feel it is their right as business owners to import cheap labor and that they shouldn’t be forced to pay an “American salary.””


27 posted on 04/08/2009 6:49:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

My intent was to point out the fact that some on this forum find the selling out of their American brethren an acceptable practice not to paint everyone as pro-immigration.

We have no quarrel.


28 posted on 04/08/2009 7:03:03 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Mike, you're right there are some on the forum who seem to think illegal immigrants taking jobs from Americans is a good thing. I strongly disagree with them.
29 posted on 04/08/2009 8:20:00 PM PDT by detective
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To: algernonpj

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Why not remove the artificial barriers to entry for Accounting, Law, and whatever else. Do away with state board certification requirements. And then lets see how everyone feels about this issue.

As someone in the tech industry who has to deal with the threat of H1b employees everyday, I’d like the other professions to open up their markets to immigrants who’d like to do their jobs for one half the price.

Something tells me they’ve got some great law schools in India. It would be a great line to throw back at the liberal dems.


30 posted on 04/08/2009 8:41:34 PM PDT by o2bfree
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