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The Elephant in the Room: Obama vs. United States
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | April 9, 2009 | Rick Santorum

Posted on 04/09/2009 7:12:18 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

Watching President Obama apologize last week for America's arrogance - before a French audience that owes its freedom to the sacrifices of Americans - helped convince me that he has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions. His nomination of former Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh to be the State Department's top lawyer constitutes further evidence of his disdain for American values.

This seemingly obscure position in Foggy Bottom's bureaucratic maze is one of the most important in any administration, shaping foreign policy in the courts and playing a critical role in international negotiations and treaties.

Let's set aside Koh's disputed comments about the possible application of Sharia law in American jurisprudence. The pick is alarming for more fundamental reasons having to do with national sovereignty and constitutional self-governance.

What is indisputable is that Koh calls himself a "transnationalist." He believes U.S. courts "must look beyond national interest to the mutual interests of all nations in a smoothly functioning international legal regime. ..." He thinks the courts have "a central role to play in domesticating international law into U.S. law" and should "use their interpretive powers to promote the development of a global legal system."

Koh's "transnationalism" stands in contrast to good, old-fashioned notions of national sovereignty, in which our Constitution is the highest law of the land. In the traditional view, controversial matters, whatever they may be, are subject to democratic debate here. They should be resolved by the American people and their representatives, not "internationalized." What Holland or Belgium or Kenya or any other nation or coalition of nations thinks has no bearing on our exercise of executive, legislative, or judicial power.

Koh disagrees. He would decide such matters based on the views of other countries or transnational organizations - or, rather, those entities' elites.

Unsurprisingly, Koh is a strong supporter of the International Criminal Court, which could subject U.S. soldiers and officials to foreign criminal trials for their actions while fighting for our security. He has recommended that American lawyers work to "undermine" official American opposition to the court.

If only Koh's transnationalism ended there. Our Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment? Koh believes it should be reinterpreted in light of foreign and international law to pay "decent respect to the opinions of humankind."

Old fogies like me believe we ought to pay more attention to the opinions of the Founders who wrote the Constitution and the people who have lived under it. If Americans want to end the death penalty, they can do so through their elected state representatives.

If foreign opinions trump those of Pennsylvanians on capital punishment, why not on other issues? Why not, indeed: Koh thinks "international comity" trumps American sovereignty. He believes that, since certain nations recognize a right to same-sex marriage, our courts should, too. He wrote that "the principles of human dignity and autonomy that are the essence of the modern right-protecting democracy demand that civil marriage be available to all couples and that the equality of all citizens triumph over historical attitudes."

What's beneath this legal jargon? Simply this: Even if marriage in Pennsylvania has always been understood as involving one man and one woman - even if Pennsylvanians, through referendum or constitutional amendment, decide it should remain so - none of that should count. What should count are the views of courts in other nations or international bodies.

"I'd rather have [Supreme Court Justice Harry] Blackmun, who used the wrong reasoning in Roe to get the right results," Koh wrote of the landmark abortion case, "and let other people figure out the right reasoning."

Stunning and revealing: Koh tells us it doesn't matter if the right to abortion can be found in the Constitution. In fact, he concedes that Blackmun's reasoning was wrong. But it is up to others to get it right. How? By finding out what the United Nations, European Union, or particular European nations think.

Koh tops the list of Obama's potential Supreme Court nominees. Is this what Sen. John Kerry meant when he once suggested that American policy must pass a "global test"? Or what Barack Obama meant when he said last week that we have failed to "appreciate Europe's leading role in the world"? Or when he spoke of "change we can believe in"? And just who are "we"?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho2009; bho44; crime; democrats; first100days; haroldkoh; obama; pl; transnationalism; worldcourt
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Sometimes I despair for our country.
1 posted on 04/09/2009 7:12:18 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

2010. It cannot come soon enough.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 7:14:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: greyfoxx39

Obama has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 7:14:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (And oh, Hey! I've been travelin' on this road too long)
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To: greyfoxx39
helped convince me that he has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions

GEE ... YA THINK???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4 posted on 04/09/2009 7:16:08 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: narses; wagglebee
What's beneath this legal jargon? Simply this: Even if marriage in Pennsylvania has always been understood as involving one man and one woman - even if Pennsylvanians, through referendum or constitutional amendment, decide it should remain so - none of that should count. What should count are the views of courts in other nations or international bodies.
5 posted on 04/09/2009 7:17:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
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To: F15Eagle

He has no idea the meaning of being a true American really is. He was not taught this by his mother, grandmother and certainly not by both his dads. So why should he care.


6 posted on 04/09/2009 7:18:53 AM PDT by cameraeye (We are the saviors of the Republic!)
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To: greyfoxx39

I am scared for our country. Tim Geithner should have gotten the boot but his dad was associated with Obama’s mom at the Ford Foundation.

The bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia has just sent this over the top.

It is clear that we have a man who probably has deep seated mental problems with a lot of connections running and ruining our country.


7 posted on 04/09/2009 7:19:20 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: greyfoxx39

bump


8 posted on 04/09/2009 7:20:39 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Washington couldnt tell a lie. Clinton couldnt tell truth. Barney Frank cant tell the difference.)
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To: cameraeye

And chooses not to. He sat under a “preacher” that celebrated 9/11 FIVE DAYS after 3,000 Americans were killed.

Then he wanted him for his White Hut “spiritual adivisor”.

Nothing more need be said after that.


9 posted on 04/09/2009 7:23:49 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: RummyChick

I said last fall he’s got serious identity crisis issues. That was clear from excerpts from his books. That’s why he keeps groveling to so-called disaffected groups.


10 posted on 04/09/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Christian4Bush

It’s too bad that Americans are stuck on this so called “Honeymoon” period. This guy is sly as a fox. He knows that eventually the policies he is pushing will catch up to him and that explains why he is moving fast


11 posted on 04/09/2009 7:25:08 AM PDT by lakertaker (Libertarian Party since 1998)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And, if 2010 fails to halt the globalization and destruction of America?


12 posted on 04/09/2009 7:25:34 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: greyfoxx39

I am thinking about the idiots who voted for this man. I wonder if they have any idea of what they have done to this country.


13 posted on 04/09/2009 7:25:43 AM PDT by SkipW
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To: greyfoxx39

can someone tell me where Koh is licensed as an attorney so I can file an ethical complaint against him?


14 posted on 04/09/2009 7:27:08 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: MrB

Fingers crossed that it will. We need to start with Greene.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 7:27:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Bt 2010 there will be a newly minted batch of some 20 or 30 million new democrat voters.

Yippie.


16 posted on 04/09/2009 7:28:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: F15Eagle
Then he wanted him for his White Hut “spiritual adivisor”.

"White hut"...how fitting.

17 posted on 04/09/2009 7:29:44 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama....never saw a Bush molehill he couldn't make a mountain out of.......)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
We need to understand that there exists a high probability that the "ballot" box of liberty has now closed.

Five Boxes of Liberty

18 posted on 04/09/2009 7:29:48 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: SkipW
They're not bright enough to figure it out until it's too late ... or they would never have pulled that lever. They were easily fooled by all the charades.


19 posted on 04/09/2009 7:29:54 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: greyfoxx39

yep - got that from another FReeper - don’t remember who — perfect for the undocumented Kenyan


20 posted on 04/09/2009 7:30:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: SkipW

The best way to control this guy now is through Congress. At the next Congressional election, things have to change and change big time. It’s time to bring this to a halt. I think we are beginning to see even the people that voted for him, understanding they made a big mistake. Actually, they are seeing they made the biggest mistake of their life.


21 posted on 04/09/2009 7:32:11 AM PDT by RC2
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To: greyfoxx39

Obama isn’t a real American. Thanks, media.

Couric gets an award for trashing Sarah when she should be fired for dishonesty.

I can only hope there are enough real Americans left to overturn this travesty.


22 posted on 04/09/2009 7:32:54 AM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: RC2
At the next Congressional election, things have to change and change big time. It’s time to bring this to a halt.

I sincerely hope that 2010 brings this dive into socialism and slavery to a halt, but it might not. ACORN just got a huge amount of money.

Make sure you keep pounding your state legislatures for 10th amendment sovereignty legislation.

23 posted on 04/09/2009 7:34:52 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: greyfoxx39

“America’s arrogance”

The left always confuse arrogance with Pride.


24 posted on 04/09/2009 7:36:16 AM PDT by edcoil (Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner Liberty is a well-armed lamb)
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To: RummyChick
I am scared for our country

I am too - "These are the times that try men's souls.." -if they truly love America!

25 posted on 04/09/2009 7:36:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "When in the course of human events ....")
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To: RummyChick
I am scared for our country

I am too - "These are the times that try men's souls.." -if they truly love America!

26 posted on 04/09/2009 7:36:46 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "When in the course of human events ....")
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To: greyfoxx39
Koh is probably against government administered torture, but I doubt he draws the line at individuals engaging in Korean-style punishment.

These people can be brutal, and if anyone thinks Koh is some sort of pacifist, they haven't been hanging around Korea-town USA long enough.

No doubt we could get him to draw up a policy position for the US that effectively "privatizes" torture!

27 posted on 04/09/2009 7:37:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: greyfoxx39

HIDEOUS.

It’s likely to only get worse. I would like to have some hope for the mid-term elections but I don’t really.

Toooooooooo many indications flood all around that things are going to escalate toward globalism in horrid tyrannical ways.

MARANATHA.


28 posted on 04/09/2009 7:40:05 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: lakertaker; greyfoxx39
What is even scarier is that I think he's moving slowly - he is still filling positions that should have been ready to go on January 21. He is still working toward the mid-term elections of 2010. If the dems hold control, he then goes into campaign mode for 2012, if he is reelected at that point then God help us all... because then he has no reason to reign in anything.

Yeah I think he's moving slower then he would like to right now.

29 posted on 04/09/2009 7:44:36 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (He bows to the Saudi King - we don't have Camelot, we have Camel Lot)
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To: SkipW

I wonder the same thing. I think, unfortunately, that most are of the type who never pay attention to the news. They saw a cool black man in a suit and had no idea what he stood for. Now they are probably back to not paying attenion.
It is so infuriating.


30 posted on 04/09/2009 7:47:20 AM PDT by jackv (Just shakin' my head!!)
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To: greyfoxx39

0 is an angry black man and he wants reparations. Trashing traditional values is a huge victory for him.


32 posted on 04/09/2009 7:50:22 AM PDT by balls ( 0, the America trashing president)
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To: RC2

‘....At the next Congressional election, things have to change and change big time. ...’

exactly. imho, the only hope we have is to regain the Congress in 2010. again, imo, to do this we MUST educate the everyday person, including senior citizens, on how this Administration’s socialist policies will adversely affect their everyday lives i.e. how nationalized heathcare sounds good but when a senior citizen needs a test or scan and they have to wait 6 months.... or maybe be denied due to their age..... they may not be so willing to agree to nationalized care. We MUST educate people...or they will keep swallowing the drivel the President and his minions so “charmingly” put out to the public.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 7:50:28 AM PDT by 4integrity
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To: RummyChick

we have a man who probably has deep seated mental problems

WRONG, its his “culture” thing. Look at the State and City governemnts run by “AFRICAN-americans” plus the “independent” African countries, they are all a wreck primarily because the culture is to take every advantage of those preceived to be weaker and one’s personal interests are paramount.

Of course every Black American does not perscribe to that culture and are sensable and patriotic, they are mostly looked upon by other AFRICAN-americans as Uncle Tom’s bowing to whitey.


34 posted on 04/09/2009 7:51:02 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Alamo Tea Party like its 1773)
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To: greyfoxx39
25 years ago the people in charge today were considered left wing fringe crazies.

Any suggestion that they'd be in total power would've been laughed out of the room.

Yet here we are.

35 posted on 04/09/2009 7:53:08 AM PDT by skeeter
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The reality is that we’ll never see another truly free, open and honest election in this country until after the next American Civil War and the death of millions. And the America we’ll have after that won’t be the America we started with - for good or for ill. It was always and ever up to us.

Wake up, people. You’re not going to talk or vote your way out of the tyranny that’s coming. And that’s precisely the point of tyranny, isn’t it? None of us have a Get Out of History Free card, either. None. Your circumstances can change overnight. That’s one of the great lessons that so many of us have failed to learn from the history of the twentieth century. Fat, happy, stupid and “it can’t happen here,” is how most of us are except for the ones who are actually cheering for it to happen here. And then there those of us who see exactly what’s going on and are prepared for the eventual outcomes.

Change is coming, oh yes indeed - but it’s not what any of that Marxist meat puppet’s worshippers bargained for. Rand had it right all these many years ago when she said that there is no personal neutrality today. Time to get off the fence. Time to stand up and be heard. Time to start getting together with like-minded people. Time to organize your list of Things To Do, Places To Go and People To Meet. Because when your favorite websites suddenly go dark, when your cell phones and other comm nets no longer work, when the roadblocks go up, when you hear the knock on the door - then it’ll be too damned late.

It will be too late unless you’re willing, like Atlas, to shrug - and then pick up a gun before they come for you. Unless you’re willing to take action, you aren’t going to get your country back, much less preserve your own freedom and dignity.

So don’t just sit there with a pile of ammo and a gun in your closet. Participate in the nearest Appleseed Project shoot and join a community of like minded people turning ammunition into skill. Join up with Glenn Beck’s 912Project - a latter-day network of the original Committees of Correspondence - to meet more like-minded folks.

It may be the last chance we’re going to get.

Ayn Rand once said, “The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.” Stand with me. Stand with us. And if you think that freedom is passé or over-rated, just wait until you see what your new masters replace it with.

You are absolutley correct!!!! I for one plan to check your list out.


36 posted on 04/09/2009 7:58:16 AM PDT by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die; Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death)
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To: F15Eagle

Searching for dad.


37 posted on 04/09/2009 8:01:00 AM PDT by reagandemocrat (the penumbra doctrine is asinine.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m still in shock at how quickly our country is unravelling. I sometimes feel as though I’m in a nightmare. I never though I’d live to see what has happened since Jan. I’m usually an optimist, but I really do wonder if it’s not too late to save us. I utterly depend these days on the truth that Jesus is coming again. I just never thought I’d be here in my lifetime.


38 posted on 04/09/2009 8:07:39 AM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs

Yep, I’m with you.

The apostasy of the church, the obvious workings of Satan in both the church and in the non-believers,

and the absolute SPEED with which this is happening.

Revelation 2:5 (New International Version)
5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.


39 posted on 04/09/2009 8:09:50 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: greyfoxx39
What Holland or Belgium or Kenya or any other nation or coalition of nations thinks has no bearing on our exercise of executive, legislative, or judicial power.

That was true - right up until the time a Kenyan took over the country.

40 posted on 04/09/2009 8:15:14 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: MrB

Good scripture verse. We DO need to repent as a country. Israel often refused to repent in the OT and suffered the consequences.


41 posted on 04/09/2009 8:15:54 AM PDT by twigs
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To: cameraeye
He has no idea the meaning of being a true American really is.

And just what would you expect of a Kenyan Muslim who spent his formative years in Indonesia and then was taken under the wing of radical Communist in his teens?

Why is any of this a surprise to anyone?

42 posted on 04/09/2009 8:19:37 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: BenLurkin

Obama has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions

I agree, because he was not raised here, educated here, or been exposed to patriotic love of America. 0 doesn’t understand we Americans.


43 posted on 04/09/2009 8:21:43 AM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: twigs

Just reading Judges now...

full of falling away, mostly because of “false tolerance” of totally corrupt cultures (Canaanites) and taking on their religions and their traditions & culture,

followed by captivity,
followed by crying out to God,
followed by a judge sent to free them,
followed by years of prosperity,
followed by falling away,
repeat cycle.


44 posted on 04/09/2009 8:27:10 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: Abundy

http://www.martindale.com/Harold-H-Koh/328512-lawyer.htm

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45 posted on 04/09/2009 8:30:35 AM PDT by lwd (Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless.)
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To: MrB

All options must stay on the table when one faces tyrany!


46 posted on 04/09/2009 8:38:20 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: greyfoxx39

Maybe Lon Horiuchi can put a quick end to all this nonsense by killing the hostage with one well placed shot.


47 posted on 04/09/2009 8:44:10 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SkipW
I am thinking about the idiots who voted for this man. I wonder if they have any idea of what they have done to this country.

Nope. They had no clue what the difference between capitalism and socialism is according to this poll.

[FR thread] Just 53% of Americans Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism

48 posted on 04/09/2009 8:44:37 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: MrB; twigs

birth pangs come fast - the speed should increase the closer we get ... in a 270-day gestation, most women go into to labor (normally) during the last few hours, right? Like the last 8 hours?

1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Matthew 24 KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:


49 posted on 04/09/2009 8:53:01 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: raisincane
I agree, because he was not raised here

He only lived abroad for 4 years.

50 posted on 04/09/2009 8:54:36 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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