Skip to comments.Warren's 'backsliding' on homo marriage hurts church, Evangelical "pastor" apologizes on Larry King
Posted on 04/09/2009 12:59:34 PM PDT by bimboeruption
A Washington, DC, pastor and outspoken opponent of same-sex "marriage" says California mega-church pastor Rick Warren has done "tremendous damage" by apologizing for his support last fall of California's marriage protection amendment.
Rick Warren said Monday on CNN's Larry King Live that he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay marriage activist," and made a point to inform the program's host that he apologized to his homosexual friends for comments he made in October to his church in support of Proposition 8 in California.
Bishop Harry Jackson, Jr., with the High Impact Leadership Coalition says he was very disappointed with Warren's statements on CNN.
"This man who's been called the next Billy Graham, who I really respect with all my heart and love what he's doing in Africa, is falling into a trap that is emblematic of the problem that the entire church is facing in this generation," Jackson states. "And that is that we love the applause of men more than we love the work of God and the gospel. Jesus...told us that we are to honor God first, and that we are not to fear men but we're to fear God."
Jackson argues that Warren was "aiding and abetting a deception around what kind of stance the Bible calls Christians to take" by telling Larry King that opposing the recent Iowa Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriage was "not his agenda."
"He is the author of The Purpose Driven Life book," Jackson notes, "and therefore people are going to think, 'Well, this is not on my mission -- it's not on my purpose. I don't have to stand for truth.'
"Therefore, his defection -- in terms of his stance on this issue -- [and] his backsliding on this issue, becomes of tremendous damage to the strength of the church in this position."
Warren told King on Monday that he "never once even gave an endorsement" during the Prop. 8 campaign. However, in late October -- just weeks before the November 4 election -- the pastor told his congregation: "Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8." (Read a complete transcript of those comments)
Pastor Warren has not yet responded to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.
What's more important to "Pastor" Warren -- preaching the Truth or dinner at the White House?
Power corrupts people.
Is Rick afraid he might alienate a few of his 10 million “followers?”
purpose driven sodomy?
He’s just another politician following the polls.
“I was against fake marriage before I was for it - which was before I was against it again.”
Like most mega churches, the “pastor” is in the business of church building and not spreading the word of God.
next billy graham?
seems he is trying to pander for political power.
warren is no Billy Graham and I don’t even know that much about Graham other than he stood for the core christian tenenants.
He’s an evangelical? I always put him into the touchy feely group of non denominationals that include that flim flam artist in Houston’s mega church.
Ping to read later
It brings to question what else he has said that he did not really mean. At least be consistent or, if not, then explain your change of heart. I have little respect for public people who change their mind on their beliefs depending on the audience. This appears to be a caseof that.
Warren is serving [attempting to serve] two masters.
Well stated. What is more alarming with Warren’s comment are the thousands of church members that he leads. THEY are the ones who can make the biggest statement by attending services elsewhere. Jesus gave us the perfect example about breaking bread with sinners. Jesus used that opportunity to teach them about His message not condoning their actions. How can a preacher as knowledgeable with scripture as Warren miss this fundamental principle?
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
What a disapointment Pastor Warren is. He’s been entrusted by God with a voice. But he refused to use it to take a stand for Christ.
He and “Pastor” Haggard should hook up.
Amen to that!
"Business" is the keyword of your statement.
We are totally surrounded by evil, corruption and perversion. I can't imagine the world getting any worse.
Right...along with all those homo priests.
How many people have been led astray by these evil teachers?
Confirmation of what I have believed all along. his theology is about an inch deep, and he doesn’t understand the clear teaching of Scripture!
The only good response is exactly what the Bible says about it...
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible manand birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Its kind of hard to top that...
It's not like they're Roman Catholic or anything like that.
Best bet on using the word "Evangelical" is to remember that it means "Protestant" ~ just like "Reformed".
Rick Warren is losing it! I perceive that he has a HUMONGOUS EGO!
This makes me sad, because I’ve defended Pastor Warren against a lot of believers who have accused him of compromising his faith, because of his associations with “sinners”. On that point alone, Jesus wouldn’t be very popular in most Christian churches either, because he hung in the roughest neighborhoods with the undesirables of society. That said, I don’t know what Pastor Warren does with “a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
Like my children say to me (when I had to explain Prop 8 signs here in CA on Election Day) — “Mommy, the puzzle pieces don’t fit with two men, do they?”
No, children...the puzzle pieces do NOT fit.
touchy-feely is new-agey
Can’t we all just get along? (sarc off)
Puzzle pieces...That’s great!
Never thought of it that way, but that IS what it is!
I always thought of Warren on the scale of an Oprah type guest. Trying to “out love” God is playing in the Devil’s playground. And remember, you always have to “pay” to play.
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 2 Timothy 3:1-5
AMEN!! Don’t buy their wares and don’t step into their kingdoms!!
People are going to find out as time goes on...the Whore of Genesis and that very same Whore of Revelation (very old..the same, from the beginning of the Book to the end of the Book) is RELIGION! That she is in bed with the Beast (Gov.) and these two systems..Gov. and Religion joined to crucify Christ.
Organized Religion and I don’t care WHAT they call themselves or WHAT they claim to be is in bed with the Beast as a Whore with their tax exempt status. Take any whore on any street corner making her money EVEN IF she spends it ALL for good...she is STILL a whore.
TRY to find a church with no tax exempt status...challenge your pastors about it and see how they dodge and weave.
Christ paid his taxes..”Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s” God provided out of a fishes mouth...Christ didn’t keep it..He paid it. He did not make deals with Rome to build His kingdom...not then...NOT NOW!!
THERE is NO separation of Church and State..lies..deception!
“There is a way that seems right unto man that leads to destruction.” How close are we????
When the Beast is done with the Whore he will turn on her.
Those who know will see the hand of God when he allows what we have been deceived to think is GOOD to be destroyed. God’s people will prevail outside of these whorish systems. “Come OUT of her my people.” We have been warned!
I too have defended Pastor Warren....mostly regarding words attributed to him that he did not say. Having reviewed the video of him on LKL the most important word left out in his reply was the word ACTIVIST. He did not say he was for gay marriage, only that in opposing gay marriage he was not an ACTIVIST. We all have our own ideas/opinions of the present definition of ACTIVIST.
The part that bothered me was his saying that he did not endorse prop. 8. He did in his church, but I do not know if he went public: tv, newspaper ad, radio, or billboard with an endorsement.
I have too. I have thought that some critics of Purpose-Driven Church and Purpose-Driven Life were off-base. I don't endorse those books but they are not as bad as their critics suggest.
There is absolutely NO reason for a Christian to apologize for opposing gay marriage.
Those two masters are obama and himself.
I was referring to trying to serve God and please the world at the same time.
Rick Warren and the Osteens are frauds. They love the Islamo-abortionist. Hopefully their “flock” will wake up before they are sheared by these stinking hucksters.
What makes me sick are there are probably many good pastors and priests close to Warren or the Osteens “churches.”
They probably are real men of God but they do not have the “marketing savvy” these stinking con artists have. I hope the faithful desert these frauds and seek honorable pastors and priests.
Warren adn the osteens are pitchmen for products and books. They are scum like Notre Dame.
His book publisher must be one of his masters.
Satan must be his other.
That fence Warren is trying to straddle will become awful painful before long!
You know...I had a feeling about this guy. I watched him very closely during the debates. I knew something wasn’t right about him, but, I couldn’t put my finger on it.
If he still has a congregation, they might ought to start praying for his soul. Unfortunately, he has gone to the dark side.
No — love and compassion and gentleness STARTED with Jesus 2,000 years ago. It’s not one bit wrong to be “touchy-feely” as you put it. God gives us all feelings for a deep purpose— to extend His love to others. When we use it to remain immature and undisciplined, it becomes something other than the way God intended for us.
Warren, Olsteen, Benny Hinn, Copeland, etc. etc.
There are quite a number of genuin mega church pastors however those above are at the top of the false prophet list as far as I’m concerned.
John Hagee is one of my favs.
Do you remember one time all during the bash Bush years any of the super duper preachers coming down on the lying liberals? I sure do not, they half acted like they thought Rev. J Wright was on to an upcoming revelation.
I do not know if Warren has a donkey, but if he did, I would be expecting to be hearing from that donkey any day now.
I cannot begin to describe my surprise when I discovered during Clintons terms how many BGraham followers were also bjclinton voters supporters. Every week there was a poll announced giving the high popularity of old bill, and it was most disconcerting to hear from these ‘good’ Baptist churchgoers about how God says to ‘hate’ the sin but love the sinner.
I think that is why algore lost because he shunned bjclinton and so these clinton followers voted for President Bush or stayed home.
The term refers to the people who lived along the "main railroad line" leading into Philadelphia. At the time it was invented I don't believe Methodists were part of the "Mainline" either.
You can measure “touchy feely” by how they vote, evangelicals vote conservative, no religious group is less PC than evangelicals.
See post 46 it has a chart.
I am an ordained SBC (conservative pastor), and Rick Warren has nothing important to say as far as I am concerned.
I think that is why algore lost because he shunned bjclinton and so these clinton followers voted for President Bush or stayed home."
Well, you are full of cr*p.