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As Texas Goes, So Goes the Nation on Textbooks (Evos "furious"!)
The Washington Examiner via DI ^ | April 8, 2009 | Dr. Charles Garner and David Klinghoffer

Posted on 04/09/2009 5:44:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

As Texas Goes, So Goes the Nation on Textbooks

By: Dr. Charles Garner and David Klinghoffer

The Washington Examiner

April 8, 2009

Texas last week was the scene of a stirring illustration of democracy at work as the State Board of Education (SBOE) set itself the task of revising standards for science education, debating fundamental controversies in biology, paleontology and chemistry. The radioactive topic of evolution was the center of attention.

When the dust settled, the resulting vote left Texas with the most advanced science standards on evolution of any state in the country. As you can imagine, many “experts” and activists on the Darwinian side are outraged...

(Excerpt) Read more at discovery.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; creation; creationevolution; darwin; darwinism; disnakeoilsalesmen; education; evolution; freedomatlast; godgunsgutsgullible; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; judaism; ncse; pigignorance; publiceducation; sboe; texas
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1 posted on 04/09/2009 5:44:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/09/2009 5:45:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Gordon Greene

Pingety-ping right back at ya :o)


3 posted on 04/09/2009 5:46:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Darwinistas are up in arms — GOOD!


4 posted on 04/09/2009 5:46:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So will they have to share the funding and the state authorized houses of worship? IT is about the money and buildings, job security, and maintaining the most fit to survive.
5 posted on 04/09/2009 5:47:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Three cheers for academic freedom!

Enough of this “scientifically correct” lock-step garbage!


6 posted on 04/09/2009 5:48:20 PM PDT by Marie2 (The capacity for self-government is a moral quality. Only a moral people can be free.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ping education


7 posted on 04/09/2009 5:48:44 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: GodGunsGuts

Wait till I get my popcorn … this could be long and exciting thread. ;-)


8 posted on 04/09/2009 5:51:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (Idiocy is as Obama does)
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To: GodGunsGuts

BRAVO!!!!


9 posted on 04/09/2009 5:53:58 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: GodGunsGuts

Amazingly, this is the first I’ve heard of all this great uproar and evo-angst that’s been going on for the last week.


10 posted on 04/09/2009 5:55:17 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Then again, they could always do what I’d do, i.e. have some sort of a warning label inside biology books saying something like “Warning, belief in the brain-dead ideological doctine known as the theory of evolution which is described in this book, has been shown to cause positive loss of as many as 30 IQ points in laboratory animals and yuppies.”


11 posted on 04/09/2009 5:56:14 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: tacticalogic

Wow, where have you been, I have been reading all kinds of articles on this controversy for about a week!


12 posted on 04/09/2009 5:57:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: wendy1946

LOL :o)

...not to mention scientists, let alone teachers and students!


13 posted on 04/09/2009 5:58:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

At last, some good news!


14 posted on 04/09/2009 5:58:20 PM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: SandRat

That was my first reaction too :o)


15 posted on 04/09/2009 5:58:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: betty boop

Can I post a cartoon now? :o)


16 posted on 04/09/2009 5:59:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Just mythoughts

I don’t know about that, but it could have a profound impact on science textbooks throughout the nation!


17 posted on 04/09/2009 6:00:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOLOL!

Er, no?


18 posted on 04/09/2009 6:01:04 PM PDT by betty boop (All truthful knowledge begins and ends in experience. — Albert Einstein)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Try this:


19 posted on 04/09/2009 6:03:58 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: betty boop

You’re worse than my mom!


20 posted on 04/09/2009 6:05:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: wendy1946

Nice one...I could use some of that lotion myself!


21 posted on 04/09/2009 6:06:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wow, where have you been, I have been reading all kinds of articles on this controversy for about a week!

I have been at work, at class, and at home.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but I find most of the articles a creationist websites to be too blatantly self-aggrandizing to take seriously.

22 posted on 04/09/2009 6:11:33 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I don’t know about that, but it could have a profound impact on science textbooks throughout the nation!

What do you know about who writes the text books for public education? I know of a 'writer' who is out and out 'red' socialist who writes text books. I am not convinced there won't be a lawsuit that the supremes will come down again on the side of the God did not do it crowd.

23 posted on 04/09/2009 6:14:26 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts

Schools are still able to select their books (book adoption)-—but just barely.

That being said, there are, indeed, writers/publishers who are redder than red.


24 posted on 04/09/2009 6:24:46 PM PDT by bannie
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To: GodGunsGuts

Texas, Our Texas! all hail the mighty State!
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Boldest and grandest, withstanding ev’ry test
O Empire wide and glorious, you stand supremely blest.
(chorus)

Texas, O Texas! your freeborn single star,
Sends out its radiance to nations near and far,
Emblem of Freedom! it set our hearts aglow,
With thoughts of San Jacinto and glorious Alamo.
(chorus)

Texas, dear Texas! from tyrant grip now free,
Shines forth in splendor, your star of destiny!
Mother of heroes, we come your children true,
Proclaiming our allegiance, our faith, our love for you.

Chorus

God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.
God bless you Texas! And keep you brave and strong,
That you may grow in power and worth, throughout the ages long.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 6:30:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Just mythoughts

The reason why is because Texas only adopts ONE textbook for the ENTIRE state. Therefore, they tend to set the trend for most of the nation.


26 posted on 04/09/2009 6:32:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tacticalogic

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. However, this article was not written by creationists, it was written by IDers. Surely, by now, you know the difference!


27 posted on 04/09/2009 6:33:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Wow, where have you been, I have been reading all kinds of articles on this controversy for about a week!

Given your prolific crationism prostilization, you have probably written most of those articles.

28 posted on 04/09/2009 6:35:30 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Marie2
Three cheers for academic freedom!

I have recently heard that phrase from Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill.

29 posted on 04/09/2009 6:39:08 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Believe me, I have thought about it!


30 posted on 04/09/2009 6:41:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
this article was not written by creationists, it was written by IDers. Surely, by now, you know the difference!

In a recent law suit the difference was shown to be global text search and replace in a set of documents. The judge was not amused.

31 posted on 04/09/2009 6:42:06 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Jeff Gordon

The judge was an ACLU-loving RINO. And now that Obama-messiah is in office, I’m sure he is amused year-round.

Judge copied ACLU in anti-intelligent design ruling

Study: 90% of ‘masterpiece’ Dover opinion
error-filled ‘cut-and-paste’ job by ‘activist’verbatim

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53330


32 posted on 04/09/2009 6:49:29 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jeff Gordon

==I have recently heard that phrase from Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill.

And that helps your case how? Bill Ayers and Ward Churchill both worship at the Temple of Darwinistic Materialism.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 6:54:33 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Texas adopts one LIST of books, not just one title. Each district, and sometimes each school or teacher can select the one they want. They can buy ‘off-list’, but not with state money.


34 posted on 04/09/2009 6:59:09 PM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Solution: Complete separation of school and state.

Why?

Because there is no such thing as a religiously, politically, or culturally neutral education. An education is either godless or God-centered and both have profound non-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences.

The above is axiomatic.

No matter what the government forces on parents, children, and the taxpayer, the government will establish either the godless religious worldview or the God-centered one. Is it any wonder there are such bitter political fights over evolution?

Get the government out of the education business. Begin the process of privatizing universal K-12 education, immediately.

35 posted on 04/09/2009 7:02:55 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: bannie
Schools are still able to select their books (book adoption)-—but just barely. That being said, there are, indeed, writers/publishers who are redder than red.

Fortunately all my children are out of public education, even though I get to pay for the continuance of the liberal indoctrination to all those that come after. I have been year in and year out dismayed by the inconsistent method of teaching any given subject. Some years 'science' books were not allowed to leave the classroom, because they were supposedly so expensive to have each student have their own. And there was a 10 minute time allowance on 'parent's' night to glance through the textbook.

From year to year it was always something 'new' and completely out of step with what had been used the prior year. One year in middle school one of my children had three different math books, and the class was teaching to the end of the year 'state' required test.

Personally, I believe public education has been conservatives biggest misstep and the core reason why we are where we are today. The powers that be have gone along to get along ignoring what goes for education in K-12. And these public school teachers and administrators/counselors do not like to be questioned.

Rush describes this nation as being 'bi-polar', well imho, it was done by design via public education using what is commonly called the scientific methodology.

36 posted on 04/09/2009 7:04:33 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: wintertime

Sounds good to me!


37 posted on 04/09/2009 7:09:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It is amusing that the Discovery Institute found that the judge used search and replace in his judgment. I call it Karma. DI transformed “Of Pandas and People” from a Creationist document to and ID document with search and replace. What goes around comes around. LOL


38 posted on 04/09/2009 7:15:00 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: mathluv

Ok, a list. It is still the second largest textbook market in the country, precisely because they select books for the ENTIRE STATE, list or not. This has a significant impact on how textbook publishers write their textbooks for the rest of the country.


39 posted on 04/09/2009 7:15:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The newly adopted standards call on students, “in all fields of science, [to] analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations by using empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and experimental and observational testing including examining all sides of scientific evidence of those scientific explanations so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.”

The the Darwinists are up in arms for what reason again? What part of it is it that they don't like? The analysis, evaluation, and critiquing? Or the logical reasoning? Or the critical thinking?

40 posted on 04/09/2009 7:20:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Texas is ONE of several adoption states. TX and CA are the two biggest. TX will guarantee a book per child (CA won't). I would rather TX have the power to influence textbooks than some other states.

The selection process is based on teachers getting together and looking at the samples that are sent to each district/school. Then, with their input, the board makes the selections for the list. I am not sure what your problem with this process is.

41 posted on 04/09/2009 7:27:00 PM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Why am I not surprised that yet another Evo on FR identifies with RINO sellouts and the communist ACLU?


42 posted on 04/09/2009 7:27:08 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: wintertime

Hear! Hear! The total separation of school and state is the only way to go. Let parents choose if they want their children to be taught that their ancestors were monkeys or that God shaped them in His own image. The two world views are forever incompatible.


43 posted on 04/09/2009 7:28:31 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: metmom

They are up in arms because there stranglehold over your children just got a little weaker.


44 posted on 04/09/2009 7:29:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

God Bless TX, and the faithful people there; if it seceedes, I am moving there right afterward!


45 posted on 04/09/2009 7:34:07 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Obama yo 'mama', Uncle Sam yo 'baby daddy'!; (The new cry of the Obama generation)!)
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To: JSDude1

It’s a done deal...The Evos lost this one, big time!


46 posted on 04/09/2009 7:37:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s good! I was talking Secession, as in if they ever want complete freedom from Washington, again! God Bless!


47 posted on 04/09/2009 7:40:00 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Obama yo 'mama', Uncle Sam yo 'baby daddy'!; (The new cry of the Obama generation)!)
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To: mathluv

I have no problem with the process. All I was really trying to say is that Texas is one of the most influential textbook markets in the country.


48 posted on 04/09/2009 7:41:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; Anima Mundi; ...

Just an update on a public education issue.


49 posted on 04/09/2009 7:42:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JSDude1

Ooops! I mistook secedes for succeeds! Time to strengthen the magnification level on my reading glasses 8o)


50 posted on 04/09/2009 7:44:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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