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Made in His Image: Balancing Body Temperature (all these complexities must work together!)
ICR ^ | April 2009 | Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.*

Posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Made in His Image: Balancing Body Temperature

by Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.*

A major achievement for design engineers is building precise control mechanisms for active processes. Lives depend on the precision in which certain processes are maintained, such as the manufacture of drugs.

Even more vital to survival is the human body's complex, integrated system that maintains precise control over the body's temperature even when it generates tremendous quantities of internal heat through strenuous activity or is exposed to wide-ranging external temperatures...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


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To: kruss3

No bro, there are no carbs in beer, just calories. big difference.


21 posted on 04/09/2009 9:19:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kruss3
Wines may have sugars in them, but not beer. All the sugars in beer are converted to alcohol when it's fermented. Wines on the other hand, does not always ferment all the sugars out, hence sweet wines, dry wines.
Hard liquor has no sugars in them either. (unless you put mix in)
22 posted on 04/09/2009 9:22:19 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
You are mistaken. The human body produces ketones from fat, which are then used by a lot of cells.

The remaining cells, like the brain, need glucose, which is produced from glycogen stores.

If you don't have glycogen stores because you're low carbing, the glucose is made from amino acids using Gluconeogenesis instead.

it causes your body to store even more fat in that area if you regularly deprive your body of carbs.

Um, where did you get that idea from ?

23 posted on 04/09/2009 9:26:26 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Nathan Zachary
When your sugar levels are that low all the time, your body starts producing glucose from your liver, which is a really bad thing. That's what causes fat to build up in your abdomen around your liver and intestines.

When faced with a lack of sufficient carbohydrates in the diet, the human body breaks down protein (mostly from muscle) and uses so-called glucogenic amino acids in the glucose cycle and ketogenic amino acids in the fatty acid cycle, but this doesn't cause the buildup of omental fat.
24 posted on 04/09/2009 9:31:44 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: kruss3

I shouldn’t say NO carbs in beer. But as far as carbs go, there are only 2.5-5g carbs in a regular American beer.

As far as carbs go, that’s next to nothing. In fact, Non alcohol beers have 11-15g carbs.

I had to look it up to prove I was right, that diabetics can drink beers and liquor. Some people seem to think we can’t.

Other than the normal excessive alcohol intake problems that apply to everyone, there is no problem with alcohol and diabetes. The carbs are minimal.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 9:32:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MetaThought

Look it up. I’m REALLY tired of having to do this to PROVE that your LIVER produces glucose when your dietary intake is insufficient. When your liver does this, it produces an excess of glucose, which is then stored as fats around your liver and intestines.

Simply type “Liver produces glucose” in google search. it should provide a wiki pedia link which will give you the medical terms


26 posted on 04/09/2009 9:37:13 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

The Liver does not produce glucose from fat.

The Liver produces glucose from glycogen or amino acids.


27 posted on 04/09/2009 9:42:01 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: aruanan
"but this doesn't cause the buildup of omental fat."

yes it does, because your liver produces far too much of it and it is subsequently stored as fat around the liver and abdomen. That's why you see many type 2 diabetics carrying around that "spare tire". Unlike a type one diabetic, type 2's are more prone to low glucose crashes, and liver production of glucose.

look it up.

I just finished a 3 week course on the subject. I know what I'm talking about, being a diabetic myself.

28 posted on 04/09/2009 9:44:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
When your liver does this, it produces an excess of glucose, which is then stored as fats around your liver and intestines.

In the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes. Excess glucose is stored as glycogen. The body can store about 3 days of glycogen. If the intake of carbohydrates exceeds this buffer size, the body shifts its substrate oxidation away from fat oxidation and toward glucose oxidation. This is in the context of a hypercaloric diet in which caloric intake exceeds caloric expenditure. This is why people get fat. There is no storage form of protein. There is limited storage of glucose as glycogen. There is relatively unlimited storage for fat. If one is taking in more energy than one expends, the body preferentially burns proteins and carbohydrates, the excess energy is stored as fat that comes almost entirely from the diet. If you were to take fat samples from your diet for a few months and compare it to stored fats in adipose tissue, you'd have an almost exact match.
29 posted on 04/09/2009 9:48:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: MetaThought
"The Liver does not produce glucose from fat.

I never said it did. I said the excess is stored as fat.

Which is? Tissue. The liver itself, muscle etc. It releases the acids to break down the connectivve tissue to convert to glucose. So what's the problem? In short, the liver begins to produce glucose when your blood levels are too low. That's what I said

Because it always produces too much, it stores this excess glucose as fats around the liver and intestines. That is what I said.

30 posted on 04/09/2009 9:50:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
yes it does, because your liver produces far too much of it and it is subsequently stored as fat around the liver and abdomen. That's why you see many type 2 diabetics carrying around that "spare tire". Unlike a type one diabetic, type 2's are more prone to low glucose crashes, and liver production of glucose.

look it up.

I just finished a 3 week course on the subject. I know what I'm talking about, being a diabetic myself


Type 2 diabetes is caused by insensitivity to insulin. The reason for this insensitivity is that high circulating fatty acids in the blood inhibit the action of insulin. The reason for the fat is from eating too much. If your energy intake does not exceed your energy output you cannot gain weight in fat. It's just a physical impossibility. I finished a Ph.D. on human nutrition and nutritional biology. I know what I'm talking about.
31 posted on 04/09/2009 9:54:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Man, I never realized just how "uniformed" Americans are about their body functions. In the human body glucose certainly IS converted to fats. Where do you think excess glucose goes?

Why do you think people who eat too many carbs (bread, potatoes, sugars,) get FAT?

Buffer size? What are we, a hard drive?

"There is no storage form of protein"

Of course not. We store FAT!!!!!

"n the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes."

What the heck do you think your pancreas, digestive tract produces? Glocose is converted to What? by what? (hint: insulin) where does the excess glucose go? (hint: fat)

32 posted on 04/09/2009 10:02:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Ok, there was a misunderstanding of some sort, then.

However, people do lose weight, and improve body composition by going low-carb.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 10:05:39 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: aruanan
Maybe I know what you mean.

You are talking about FATS like butter, fats on meat, lard etc.

That kind of fat doesn't turn into glucose, and that kind of fat piles up on your body in much different ways than the fats converted from glucose.

That's why the abdominal fats around the liver and intestine are so very different than the fat hanging off someones thighs.

34 posted on 04/09/2009 10:11:58 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

One summer when I was 13 my brother and I rode 1000 miles on bicycles through the Ozarks in three weeks, averaging about 50 miles per day, with bicycles loaded with full camping gear. We usually drank 2 to 4 gallons of water a day. By the end of each day we’d be covered by a quite easily visible layer of salt crystals. To the point where rubbing the hand across an arm would produce something resembling a snow shower.

We discovered pretty quickly that we needed extra salt or we’d get cramps. We tried salt tablets washed down with warm water and found out even faster that induces vomiting efficiently.

We wound up putting unreal amounts of salt on our food, as in 1/8” of salt on a hamburger. Worked great. Oddly enough, didn’t taste overly salty. I figure that was the body letting us know what it needed.

So don’t tell me those who sweat a lot don’t need more salt.

I realize these were extreme conditions.


35 posted on 04/09/2009 10:16:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: MetaThought
Don't go Low carb. Go proper amount of carb. You NEED to have some carbs.

It depends on your lifestyle. If you are moderately active, then you need about 60-65g of carbs per meal. And you need to eat 3 times a day. If you are less active, cut back 10g or so. If you think you are going to loose weight by eating a nice green salad for lunch, you are wrong. Why? Because you don't have any carbs in a salad. And if your other 2 meals are carb deprived, your body will produce the glucose you need, and it ALWAYS produces more than you need. (hopefully using body instead of chemical secreting liver will prevent further techical discussion) That excess however is stored as FAT. Abdominal fat. Not leg fat, underarm fat, abdominal fat.

36 posted on 04/09/2009 10:18:57 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MetaThought
"However, people do lose weight, and improve body composition by going low-carb." Well yes, probably because they were eating far too many carbs. 2 slices of bread for example (without anything on it) is 30 g of carbs. 4 slices is your meal limit of carbs. You have to count your carbs. A medium sized baked potato is only 15 carbs. The sour cream on it is none. (But thats fats). The steak to go with the baked potato isn't a carb either, it's protein and fat. So that leaves you with at least 40 carbs laking. That means you can have that 1/2 cup ice cream with a slise of pie for desert.
37 posted on 04/09/2009 10:28:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sherman Logan
That is very extreme though. Not like a normal person going for a bike ride one day after sitting in a basement playing video games for a month.

And the reason you sweat out all that salt is because you had far too much stored up to begin with.
I'll bet after that was gone, you didn't have salty sweat anymore, it was much sweeter tasting, like cucumber sort of.

I know, I used to do a lot of running, 14 miles a day. On weekends I rode 70 miles to the cabin on my bike.

38 posted on 04/09/2009 10:33:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I would implore you to immerse yourself into the science of diabetes metabolism. It may extend your life by a decade or more. Please note that the conventional wisdom on 40 years of treatment protocols and psuedo science has recently been revealed by the NIH ACCORD STUDY last year. It proved that that the commonly prescribed medications and insulin killed 22% more people than the high blood sugar in the uncontrolled high glucose group. The medications have been prescribed inorder to give people like you a false sense of security and the willingness to consume 300% to 500% more carbs than you should be consuming. Alcohol is a sugar and has lots of carbs in it.


39 posted on 04/10/2009 12:32:58 AM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.comsto)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"n the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes."

What the heck do you think your pancreas, digestive tract produces? Glocose is converted to What? by what? (hint: insulin) where does the excess glucose go? (hint: fat)


Glucose enters the body from the digestive system and is transported in the blood. An elevated blood glucose level triggers the release of insulin that enables cells to take up the glucose from the blood. In type I diabetes, there isn't enough insulin to do this, requiring exogenous insulin. In type II diabetes, the cells become resistant to normal amounts of insulin the body produces and have difficulty taking in the glucose, requiring exogenous insulin.

The human body lacks the enzyme machinery to convert fat to glucose and glucose to fat. There is limited de novo lipogenesis in the human. It happens when the body is subjected to chronic excess energy intake. The reason many people with type II diabetes are fat is because they overeat and the high levels of circulating fatty acids interfere with insulin function and they become resistant to the insulin, thus developing what is known as type II or adult onset diabetes. People with type II diabetes are NOT fat because insulin turns their glucose to fat for two reasons: 1. insulin doesn't turn glucose to fat anyway, and 2. people with type II diabetes are less, not more, sensitive to insulin.
40 posted on 04/10/2009 9:32:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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