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Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7297745&page=1 ^ | 09 April 2009 | NARIA HALLIWELL

Posted on 04/09/2009 10:13:34 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

in Richmond, Va. -- one of hundreds held every weekend across the state of Virginia and the country. We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.

For Samaha, the Glock handgun was a particularly painful purchase. It was the same kind of gun used to kill his sister Reema when she was a freshman at Virginia Tech. Just holding the gun in his hand was difficult. < snip > Samaha walked back into the gun show, and within minutes he was out again, this time carrying a Colt AR 15, a semi-automatic assault weapon very similar to an M16. We asked if there were any questions asked.

Over the course of the hour, Samaha purchased 10 guns: three rifles, four shotguns, one handgun. He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.

Gun rights groups don't want to see the loophole closed because they fear that background checks will hurt business at gun shows, and also threaten privacy rights. They also argue that the Virginia Tech shooter didn't buy his gun at a gun show. < snip >

Even though Samaha immediately turned in all the weapons he bought at the gun show to the Richmond Police Department, Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.

"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; barfalert; democrats; donttreadonme; enemedia; guncontrol; gunsbanglist; mediabais; msm; obamedia; samaha; shallnotbeinfringed; virginiatech
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1 posted on 04/09/2009 10:13:35 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Yeah, cause in this economy, we are all running around with an extra 5K in our pockets. Let me just take that out of savings or the stock market or home equity. Oh.


2 posted on 04/09/2009 10:16:51 PM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: stainlessbanner

No ammo or training though.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 10:17:04 PM PDT by omega4179 (boycott government run entities)
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To: conservative cat

I wish ABC would give me that money for a gun show - whoohee!


4 posted on 04/09/2009 10:18:44 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Hes, azzholes at ABC, that’s what “shall not be infringed” means (except for the one handgun and two “assault weapons” per month limit).


5 posted on 04/09/2009 10:20:33 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: stainlessbanner

3+4+1=10?


6 posted on 04/09/2009 10:21:59 PM PDT by klute
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To: stainlessbanner

We’ve bought guns at shows up here (VT) and the sellers still have to run a NICS check and you fill out a 4473 just like you do at a shop. The only way you can avoid it is to do a private sale in the parking lot with one of the other attendees and not the FFL table vendors.

Is this different in different states?

LQ


7 posted on 04/09/2009 10:22:22 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: stainlessbanner
I wish ABC would give me that money for a gun show

That was my thought, too.

8 posted on 04/09/2009 10:23:07 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: stainlessbanner

Well it is good to know that there is still a level of Constitutionally guaranteed freedom in this country that is sufficient to frighten liberals silly - ohhh wait, silly is their natural state of existence.

Make that “frighten them sillier”...

A.A.C.


9 posted on 04/09/2009 10:24:23 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: stainlessbanner

Wouldn’t this count as straw purchases?


10 posted on 04/09/2009 10:26:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: stainlessbanner

“Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.”

He also could have caused a lot of damage with the car he drove or the knives in his kitchen drawer or his fists! Come to think of it, all fists should be banned! Why make one, you don’t need it, we have police to protect us.

What a bunch of self-righteous demagouges, full of posionous bile that spews out daily from their well fed pieholes!


11 posted on 04/09/2009 10:26:33 PM PDT by mkcc30 ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: stainlessbanner
At an average of $500 per gun he must have gotten some real junkers that I would be afraid to fire. Especially if he plunked down the cash to buy a new glock because that would really cut into that 500 per unless of course it's all BS and staged and of course our sainted media has never done that to get a sensational story. But if he is a citizen with a clean record he has the right to defend himself, waiting for the LEOs may mean a toe-tag and a body-bag instead of going safely home.
12 posted on 04/09/2009 10:27:24 PM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: stainlessbanner
The Virginia Tech shooter LIED on his Form 4473. He had been treated for mental illness and failed to disclose it. He committed perjury and it wasn't detected. The gun shop had no way to know he wasn't eligible. The same would apply to anyone at a gun show. The paid mole at the center of the article didn't disclose his nefarious objectives to the sellers either.
13 posted on 04/09/2009 10:27:26 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sockmonkey; klute

mystery shopper boy turned all the guns into the police....or did he keep one on ABC’s nickel?


14 posted on 04/09/2009 10:27:35 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: LizardQueen

What they are trying to imply is that gun shows are an open buyers market with no control. That is a lie. The sales that were described were a person to person sale that had nothing to do with the gun show except for the location.

Each and every table at that gun show that was an FFL license had to have each and every sale to an individual checked in a data base of the Federal Government before the gun sale was complete.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 10:30:33 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I could also, with 5 thousand dollars,
buy a big ol’ pick-em-up truck and drive into crowds of people with impunity.
Or we could be armed, and any d!ckhe@d who thinks he can take us out would soon have the tables turned on him.
What’s this guys point?

BTW, I’m going to a gunshow in Gaylord, Mi. Saturday.
You can rest assured that no one will come in and try to shoot that place up.


16 posted on 04/09/2009 10:30:38 PM PDT by gigster
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wouldn’t this count as straw purchases?

Yes they would be straw purchases. The people who supplied the $5,000 for the shopping trip should be arrested and charged with hiring someone to do straw purchases. The mole should be arrested as well. The only problem is that the mole probably didn't fill out a 4473 and attest that he was the actual purchaser. Nevertheless, the mole agreed to participate as the active agent of the straw purchase. Nobody forced him to make the purchases.

17 posted on 04/09/2009 10:30:59 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: fella

they don’t tell you he did have a background check.


18 posted on 04/09/2009 10:32:45 PM PDT by dila813
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To: stainlessbanner; Travis McGee; Squantos

the horror...a legitimate purchase of firearms

somebody play some Bruce Cockburn to settle me down..


19 posted on 04/09/2009 10:33:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: mkcc30
all fists should be banned!

My fists are Iron, My sidearm is steel, my Bullets are lead.

21 posted on 04/09/2009 10:35:33 PM PDT by MaxMax (RINO=RAT!)
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To: stainlessbanner

If he used that five thousand dollars to buy a used car, how many people could he have run over? We need to close the used car loophole!

The media scratches its head as they lose their ratings, and some their jobs, while making news instead of just reporting it.


22 posted on 04/09/2009 10:36:11 PM PDT by kenth (Obama - One Big Ass Mistake, America)
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To: klute
3+4+1=10?

Picky, picky! You're probably one of those Global Warming Deniers. :)

23 posted on 04/09/2009 10:37:30 PM PDT by meadsjn (Socialists promote neighbors selling out their neighbors; Free Traitors promote just the opposite.)
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To: stainlessbanner

He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.


So did he just decide not to purchase another handgun, or was he not able to? I loathe the media.


24 posted on 04/09/2009 10:37:41 PM PDT by kenth (Obama - One Big Ass Mistake, America)
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To: wardaddy

Don’t read the whole article - it will get you work up ever more.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 10:41:58 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: LizardQueen

Around here private sellers walk around with signs on their back listing what they have, or on occasion actually have a table. The gun show guys post signs saying you’re not allowed to trade in the parking lot, but I don’t really see how they can enforce it at this particular location.


26 posted on 04/09/2009 10:42:47 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: wardaddy

Awwwww poor Samaha.....if he wasn’t such a pussy he may have been a sheepdog and trained / encouraged his family and friends to take responsibility for their own security his sister and others may have survived that attack !

.... Now he wants everyone else to be a self imposed victim like him. As to his personal demons with a chunk of plastic and metal .......boo !


27 posted on 04/09/2009 10:47:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: stainlessbanner

If he took that $5,000 to the gas station and started filling jerry cans and buying cigarette lighters imagine the harm he could do if he had a mind to. Criminy.


28 posted on 04/09/2009 10:47:42 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: stainlessbanner

FUABC


29 posted on 04/09/2009 10:57:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: LizardQueen

In the State of Washington you join the Washington Arms Collectors Association for $35. If you don’t have a CCW permit they will do a background check on you for $15. Once you are checked out you get a badge and can buy and sell at the gunshow with other members.

But - each member has gone through a background check - either through their CCW permit or the $15 check.

Most of the sellers at the shows are licensed dealers so you go through the paperwork. A few tables are private folks, and a few guys walking around with a rifle with a for sale sign sticking out of the barrel.


30 posted on 04/09/2009 11:03:47 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wouldn’t this count as straw purchases?

Yes. What ABC did was illegal.
31 posted on 04/09/2009 11:10:15 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: stainlessbanner

BEFORE I READ ANYTHING, PLEASE ESCUSE ME IF I PUKE IN ADVANCE BECAUSE ABC IS A COMMIE GUN-GRABBER-SUPPORTER....


32 posted on 04/09/2009 11:18:21 PM PDT by Stayfree ((HELP US EXPOSE THE "REAL" BIRTH CERTIFICATE @ REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM!))
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To: wastedyears

Don’t forget about Samaha.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 11:22:36 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Seven plus One

good point!


34 posted on 04/09/2009 11:23:40 PM PDT by vox_freedom ("If God be for us, who is against us?" -- Romans 8:31)
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To: LizardQueen

In CA, you need to use an FFL for every transaction. There is also a 10 day waiting period, a $25 hand gun “safety certificate” and you are limited to one handgun purchase a month.

Oh yeah, any handgun must be on the CA DOJ Approved List.
Don’t ask. Stupidity is an epidemic here.

God I miss my 2nd Amendment Rights.


35 posted on 04/09/2009 11:35:10 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Hitler used a TelePrompter, we would all be speaking German...)
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To: stainlessbanner

If only Reema had carried a Glock of her own, things might have been different.


36 posted on 04/09/2009 11:53:15 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Militant fecundity personified.)
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To: stainlessbanner

this is seriously an outrage.. 10 guns for $5000?? $500 bucks a gun? highway robbery!!


37 posted on 04/10/2009 12:06:30 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: stainlessbanner
Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns

Good! Let's keep it that way.

38 posted on 04/10/2009 1:09:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: stainlessbanner

Seems to me there’s a straw purchase going on here -
Unless all pistols were private sales and absolutely no paperwork/checks were needed or done.
And private sales at gun shows are the same as private sales thru newspapers - no checks needed.
The present admin. favors NO PRIVATE SALES or transfers regardless of circumstances. And the only way to control this is registration!!
Further restrictions on gun shows is just another step down that ol’ slippery slope. I for one expect to will my guns to my son - and I’ll fight to keep it that way.
Opps - forgot - lost all those guns in an unfortunate boating accident. Oh well.


39 posted on 04/10/2009 2:08:00 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: SpaceBar
Yes. What ABC did was illegal.

Too bad they didn't do it in Georgia, which passed a law a few years back, after that new york mayor and scumbag, bloomberg, sent people all over the country doing "Strawman" purchases and then suing the gun shops. its called the "Bloomberg Law".

If they would've done it in GA they would have been going to big boy prison... bummer!

The lawsuit is still working its way through the system...

40 posted on 04/10/2009 3:14:42 AM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: stainlessbanner
Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.

Leftists think like lunatics and they think everyone else is as crazy as they are, so in their ideal world, everyone lives in a locked room with padded walls. The leftist straw purchaser bought some guns and thought, "Look at all the firepower I have! I could shoot 30 people in this room! The cops don't stand a chance against me! The more guns I hold in a bundle in my arms, the more firepower I have! Me so powerful!" Statists have a disordered, infantile view of power and authority. They are paranoid and think only in terms of destruction and domination.

Of course, the average person at the gunshow is thinking different thoughts. A woman is buying a handgun for the first time and taking a gun safey course. A farmer is buying an AR-15 carbine because he needs a good "varmint rifle." A target shooter is buying a .308 caliber "military" rifle because he wants to do long-range shooting. A hunter is buying a shotgun. A collector is buying an old Luger. The farmer is not thinking, "Wow, that AR-15 gives me the power to shoot everyone in the room. Finally, I am somebody!" The person buying the Luger is thinking, "Wow, this gun is expensive but is has its original finish and the parts match." He is not thinking about shooting the person next to him. The woman is not planning on starting her own gang and shooting up the town.

In the statist mentality, a gun is a totem of power , and only agents of the idealized state, not the mere citizen, should have such power. The state is thus to the leftist ideally over and above the people and never from and with the people. So the infantile leftist did a "bad" thing by holding in his hands even one gun. For he knows he is a mere infant and it is not his place to do something "adult" like have a gun. Fortunately, the good leftist turned in these totems of power to the benevolent state. The state will destroy these guns, and the leftist will feel affirmed in his infantilism. However, the leftist rages that everyone is not as infantile as he is.

41 posted on 04/10/2009 3:33:10 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: stainlessbanner

ping


42 posted on 04/10/2009 4:40:19 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: stainlessbanner; Joe Brower
"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

Of course, asshole, they are in the parking lot, minutes away. But one or more gun holders nearby would have put a few in his chest or his head, rendering the rest of his armaments quite ineffective.

43 posted on 04/10/2009 4:43:54 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: LizardQueen
Private parties in gunshows are not required to run the check or fill out paperwork in 30 something States. Here in Nevada you are required to be a resident and “know” the buyer. So a drivers license and a short introduction is required.
44 posted on 04/10/2009 4:51:16 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: fella

he probably saved a lot on that $500/ gun buying the shotguns- which were probably mossberg 500 or rem 870s. you can buy those all day for $200.


45 posted on 04/10/2009 4:52:59 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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To: wafflehouse
Around here AR’s are going for $1,500.
46 posted on 04/10/2009 4:54:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Kickass Conservative
God I miss my 2nd Amendment Rights.

Time to move, man. Come out to Indiana. Cheap land, cheap homes, and light restrictions on firearm ownership. Over Thanksgiving, I was thinking about how thankful I was for my second amendment rights, so I went to the gun show that we had that weekend. Bought a 1911, and it took less than ten minutes from the time I said "sold" until the time I walked out with it--and that includes the time it took the guy to call the credit card company for approval on my card.

And, by the way, that's without any permit.

47 posted on 04/10/2009 5:02:14 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Tahoe3002
great analysis until...

The state will destroy these guns

better bet will be that a couple cops will have new items in their personall collections at best...or extra throwdowns for the next 'swat shoots granny in bed' headlined B&E...

48 posted on 04/10/2009 5:12:38 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: stainlessbanner

ABC news discovers that in a free market you can buy things with money? This is a definite step in the right direction.


49 posted on 04/10/2009 5:54:52 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
One will note that, in the Orwellian lexicon of the political left, "loophole" = "freedom".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

50 posted on 04/10/2009 6:03:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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