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Easy Access: $5,000 and One Hour Buys 10 Guns
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7297745&page=1 ^ | 09 April 2009 | NARIA HALLIWELL

Posted on 04/09/2009 10:13:34 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

in Richmond, Va. -- one of hundreds held every weekend across the state of Virginia and the country. We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.

For Samaha, the Glock handgun was a particularly painful purchase. It was the same kind of gun used to kill his sister Reema when she was a freshman at Virginia Tech. Just holding the gun in his hand was difficult. < snip > Samaha walked back into the gun show, and within minutes he was out again, this time carrying a Colt AR 15, a semi-automatic assault weapon very similar to an M16. We asked if there were any questions asked.

Over the course of the hour, Samaha purchased 10 guns: three rifles, four shotguns, one handgun. He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.

Gun rights groups don't want to see the loophole closed because they fear that background checks will hurt business at gun shows, and also threaten privacy rights. They also argue that the Virginia Tech shooter didn't buy his gun at a gun show. < snip >

Even though Samaha immediately turned in all the weapons he bought at the gun show to the Richmond Police Department, Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.

"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; barfalert; democrats; donttreadonme; enemedia; guncontrol; gunsbanglist; mediabais; msm; obamedia; samaha; shallnotbeinfringed; virginiatech
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To: stainlessbanner
Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.

Leftists think like lunatics and they think everyone else is as crazy as they are, so in their ideal world, everyone lives in a locked room with padded walls. The leftist straw purchaser bought some guns and thought, "Look at all the firepower I have! I could shoot 30 people in this room! The cops don't stand a chance against me! The more guns I hold in a bundle in my arms, the more firepower I have! Me so powerful!" Statists have a disordered, infantile view of power and authority. They are paranoid and think only in terms of destruction and domination.

Of course, the average person at the gunshow is thinking different thoughts. A woman is buying a handgun for the first time and taking a gun safey course. A farmer is buying an AR-15 carbine because he needs a good "varmint rifle." A target shooter is buying a .308 caliber "military" rifle because he wants to do long-range shooting. A hunter is buying a shotgun. A collector is buying an old Luger. The farmer is not thinking, "Wow, that AR-15 gives me the power to shoot everyone in the room. Finally, I am somebody!" The person buying the Luger is thinking, "Wow, this gun is expensive but is has its original finish and the parts match." He is not thinking about shooting the person next to him. The woman is not planning on starting her own gang and shooting up the town.

In the statist mentality, a gun is a totem of power , and only agents of the idealized state, not the mere citizen, should have such power. The state is thus to the leftist ideally over and above the people and never from and with the people. So the infantile leftist did a "bad" thing by holding in his hands even one gun. For he knows he is a mere infant and it is not his place to do something "adult" like have a gun. Fortunately, the good leftist turned in these totems of power to the benevolent state. The state will destroy these guns, and the leftist will feel affirmed in his infantilism. However, the leftist rages that everyone is not as infantile as he is.

41 posted on 04/10/2009 3:33:10 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: stainlessbanner

ping


42 posted on 04/10/2009 4:40:19 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: stainlessbanner; Joe Brower
"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

Of course, asshole, they are in the parking lot, minutes away. But one or more gun holders nearby would have put a few in his chest or his head, rendering the rest of his armaments quite ineffective.

43 posted on 04/10/2009 4:43:54 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: LizardQueen
Private parties in gunshows are not required to run the check or fill out paperwork in 30 something States. Here in Nevada you are required to be a resident and “know” the buyer. So a drivers license and a short introduction is required.
44 posted on 04/10/2009 4:51:16 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: fella

he probably saved a lot on that $500/ gun buying the shotguns- which were probably mossberg 500 or rem 870s. you can buy those all day for $200.


45 posted on 04/10/2009 4:52:59 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (thank God for Chicago: makes Detroit look wholesome by comparison.)
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To: wafflehouse
Around here AR’s are going for $1,500.
46 posted on 04/10/2009 4:54:10 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Kickass Conservative
God I miss my 2nd Amendment Rights.

Time to move, man. Come out to Indiana. Cheap land, cheap homes, and light restrictions on firearm ownership. Over Thanksgiving, I was thinking about how thankful I was for my second amendment rights, so I went to the gun show that we had that weekend. Bought a 1911, and it took less than ten minutes from the time I said "sold" until the time I walked out with it--and that includes the time it took the guy to call the credit card company for approval on my card.

And, by the way, that's without any permit.

47 posted on 04/10/2009 5:02:14 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Tahoe3002
great analysis until...

The state will destroy these guns

better bet will be that a couple cops will have new items in their personall collections at best...or extra throwdowns for the next 'swat shoots granny in bed' headlined B&E...

48 posted on 04/10/2009 5:12:38 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: stainlessbanner

ABC news discovers that in a free market you can buy things with money? This is a definite step in the right direction.


49 posted on 04/10/2009 5:54:52 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
One will note that, in the Orwellian lexicon of the political left, "loophole" = "freedom".

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

50 posted on 04/10/2009 6:03:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: stainlessbanner

Hmmm......ABC? Isn’t that the same people that faked gas tanks in trucks blowing up?


51 posted on 04/10/2009 6:04:28 AM PDT by G-Bear (I HOPE I still have some CHANGE left when this is over!)
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To: cpdiii
Each and every table at that gun show that was an FFL license had to have each and every sale to an individual checked in a data base of the Federal Government before the gun sale was complete.

Exactly!

It's the same as if they were in the gun store.

52 posted on 04/10/2009 6:07:03 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: stainlessbanner

Please remember to add BARF ALERT to the title of such news items....to flag a leftwing viewpoint.....


53 posted on 04/10/2009 6:13:45 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Check out a great Blog....http://roanokeconservative.blogspot.com/)
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To: stainlessbanner
"There were three or four police cars in the parking lot [at the gun show]. None of them could have stopped him [Samaha] with the firepower he bought," said Nunziato.

Wanna bet? If that's true, where are the mass shootings at gun shows?

54 posted on 04/10/2009 6:24:08 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Even though Samaha immediately turned in all the weapons he bought at the gun show to the Richmond Police Department, Nunziato

Someone should pass this to the ATF for investigation.

55 posted on 04/10/2009 6:26:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: AvOrdVet

Virginia passes that law too IIRC. Bob McDonnell, who is currently running for governor, was the Virginia Attorney General when the law passed and he sent Bloomberg a letter telling him to stop the straw purchases because it was against the law and violators would be prosecuted.


56 posted on 04/10/2009 6:32:12 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: Puppage; cpdiii

conversely,

if they attempted to “close the gunshow loophole”,

they would be outlawing the private sale of property from one individual to another.

That, in itself, is so not Constitutional.


57 posted on 04/10/2009 6:35:57 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: cpdiii; Joe Brower; Squantos; Travis McGee; pocat; harpseal; SLB; wardaddy; Shooter 2.5; ...
Each and every table at that gun show that was an FFL license had to have each and every sale to an individual checked in a data base of the Federal Government before the gun sale was complete.

If that's the case, didn't ABC break federal law with the following?

We gave Samaha $5,000 and one hour to see how many guns he could buy, and how many questions he would be asked.

The form you fill out when buying a gun (4473) specifically asks if you are the actual buyer. Question 12a reads as follows:

Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.

If he filled out a 4473 for any of these purchases, was ABC involved in a "straw purchase?"

58 posted on 04/10/2009 6:37:27 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: MrB
if they attempted to “close the gunshow loophole”

How can they attempt to close something that doesn't even exist?

59 posted on 04/10/2009 6:41:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Spot on. Well said.


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60 posted on 04/10/2009 6:46:18 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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