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Confederate re-enactor pleads not guilty in shooting
hamptonroades ^ | April 9, 2009

Posted on 04/09/2009 10:21:22 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

A Confederate re-enactor has pleaded not guilty to reckless handling of a firearm in the accidental shooting of a Union re-enactor during the filming of a Civil War documentary in September.

Joshua Owen Silva of Norfolk appeared in court Wednesday on the misdemeanor charge, which stemmed from the shooting of 72-year-old Thomas Lord Sr. of Suffolk. A June 24 trial date was set, but prosecutors say they hope to reach a plea agreement with Silva before that.

Lord was struck in the right shoulder by a .45-caliber musket ball during the filming of the "Civil War Overland Campaign Web Series Project." He was treated at a local hospital and released.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; confederate; dixie; dixielist; reenactor; shooting

1 posted on 04/09/2009 10:21:23 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: manc; GOP_Raider; TenthAmendmentChampion; snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; ...

// Dixie ping //


2 posted on 04/09/2009 10:22:35 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Aren’t they supposed to use blanks? Interestingly I read a murder mystery that took place during a reenactment ....


3 posted on 04/09/2009 10:24:33 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: stainlessbanner

“Lord was struck in the right shoulder by a .45-caliber musket ball”

I bet that hurt!


4 posted on 04/09/2009 10:27:06 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: stainlessbanner

I wonder if it was full charge FFg or if it was a light noise and smoke load.

most of those era muskets would only take around 70 grains of FFg ..quite different from todays inline magnum loads with 150 or more grains

* can also use FFFg in a 45....judgment call


5 posted on 04/09/2009 10:30:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: stainlessbanner; Non-Sequitur

Hey NS?

Up for a little reenactment?

grin..


6 posted on 04/09/2009 10:31:42 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: stainlessbanner

I read about this in Civil War News. They go to great lengths to prevent this.


7 posted on 04/09/2009 10:36:36 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: stainlessbanner
Lord was struck in the right shoulder by a .45-caliber musket ball during the filming of the "Civil War Overland Campaign Web Series Project."

What REALLY sucked was that they took him to a reenacted field hospital and sawed his arm off without anesthesia.

8 posted on 04/09/2009 10:37:46 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: stainlessbanner

BAN ASSAULT MUSKETS.


9 posted on 04/09/2009 10:38:12 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: SIDENET

Don’t give them any “brilliant” ideas.


10 posted on 04/09/2009 10:39:07 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: SkyDancer

Again, a case of media firearms ignorance. It was likely a .45 caliber pistol ball, since about 99% of reenactors use long arms that fire .58 to .69 caliber projectiles.


11 posted on 04/09/2009 10:40:06 PM PDT by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Can you really run a ballistics check on a a .45-caliber musket ball?


12 posted on 04/09/2009 10:44:15 PM PDT by babygene (It seems that stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe)
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To: babygene

Trace that bullet all the way back to the lead mines of Galena Illinois.


13 posted on 04/09/2009 10:54:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: babygene

using the ‘rod system’ I would say yes.....and yes it is late, the purple bag jug is empty so I will now STFU.


14 posted on 04/09/2009 10:57:08 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: wardaddy
most of those era muskets would only take around 70 grains of FFg ..quite different from todays inline magnum loads with 150 or more grains

Almost all of the re-enactors use replica muzzle loaders -- any surviving original is way too rare and expensive to carry around in the field.

The replicas are built with modern steel and can take what would be substantial overloads for the originals.

I have seen a 150 lb feral hog hit with a .58 cal ball, which penetrated completely through the lungs and ended up just under the skin on the side opposite the entrance wound. The ball had expanded to a flat piece of lead just about the size of a US Quarter.

15 posted on 04/09/2009 11:25:30 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: stainlessbanner
"Lord was struck in the right shoulder by a .45-caliber musket ball during the filming of the "Civil War Overland Campaign Web Series Project." He was treated at a local hospital and released."

Out of range.

They didn't march 50 yards apart for nothing, Joshua Owen Silva. Next year don't fire until you reach the line and hear the command...

LMAO

16 posted on 04/09/2009 11:39:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: wardaddy
"most of those era muskets would only take around 70 grains of FFg ..quite different from todays inline magnum loads with 150 or more grains

* can also use FFFg in a 45....judgment call

You can stick 90 grains FFF in them no problem. Only if the barrel is old, pitted and generally not taken good care of would you want to cut that down a bit. Or a 50 cal. 90gr is a little uncomfortable for a 50 cal flintlock style musket. I have a 50 carbine percussion cap that I have no problem stuffing 110 grains of FFF in, launching a 180 grain hornady 45 cal boattail/sabot. knocks deer right off their feet at 200 yards, 4 inches drop.

17 posted on 04/09/2009 11:53:02 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: CurlyDave

Yep! Replica’s have some real good abilities if you aren’t afraid to use them.
I love shooting my 50cal carbine. It knocks down moose @100yards with ease. I always use either a 44 or 45 cal Hornady bullet and sabot combo depending on what I’m shooting at. Anything bigger than a deer gets a .45 of one style or another. No pistol bullets though. I find they are too short and fly apart too much, ruining meat. They are fast and kill well enough, but they really fly apart too.


18 posted on 04/10/2009 12:05:04 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: stainlessbanner
"Lord was struck in the right shoulder by a .45-caliber musket ball during the filming of the "Civil War Overland Campaign Web Series Project." He was treated at a local hospital and released."

The victim is lucky he still has an arm!

19 posted on 04/10/2009 12:53:00 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: stainlessbanner
Not a .45 bullet, but a .44 bullet. Stupid reporter. .45 caliber didn't exist in the 1860s and is never used at re-enactments. The guys was probably shooting either an 1851 Colt or an 1858 Remington repro pistol.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 3:58:53 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: wardaddy

Nah, it’s a little too close to real life for me.


21 posted on 04/10/2009 4:00:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SkyDancer; All
Yes, they are supposed to use blanks, and at respectable, well-organized re-enactments there are usually intense weapons inspections before each and every battle scenario, complete with accountability paperwork, just to prevent things like this from happening.

Unfortunately, some reenactors feel the need to do actual target shooting with their weapons in the off-season, and in cases like this, leave a live round in the chamber, forget about it, and then bring it to the event loaded, only to use it and accidentally hurt someone when the inspections are not properly done. Totally stupid.

22 posted on 04/10/2009 4:02:25 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: SIDENET

The guy was shot with a replica .44 cap and ball pistol.


23 posted on 04/10/2009 4:03:22 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Change the barrel and the cylinder, and it can be anything you want it to be.

Personally all my black powder weapons are 45 caliber, so that I have no problem loading a 50 into a 45 or a 45 into a 44.


24 posted on 04/10/2009 4:06:09 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: vetvetdoug

ping


25 posted on 04/10/2009 4:16:55 AM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: SkyDancer
Did South of Shiloh happen to be the name of the book? The author spent a good amount of time here researching the locations and spending time with reenactors to get much of it right.

I live between Shiloh and Corinth and it was like reading a local story.

I have a Civil War Sniper's rifle that shoots a hexagonal .45 bullet.

26 posted on 04/10/2009 4:54:33 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: stainlessbanner

Confederate. It figures. The Confederate units were never known for strict guidelines when it came to safety or organization.

As far as the media reporting what was used, that will have to come later when someone who knows what they’re talking about reports back.


27 posted on 04/10/2009 5:15:30 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: wardaddy

hehehehe! :)


28 posted on 04/10/2009 6:10:44 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Yeah, he’s going to need to put some ice on it. ;-)


29 posted on 04/10/2009 7:04:28 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: SIDENET
What REALLY sucked was that they took him to a reenacted field hospital and sawed his arm off without anesthesia.

ROTFL!

30 posted on 04/10/2009 7:05:58 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: wardaddy

“Up for a little reenactment?

grin..”

ROTFLMAO


31 posted on 04/10/2009 7:50:20 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: vetvetdoug

Sounds familiar ... could have been. My dad had me read a book about sniping .... how it started and the whole history of it up to Vietnam ... then I read “Point of Impact” ...very good book.


32 posted on 04/10/2009 8:02:42 AM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SIDENET

LOL

“Hey buddy, bite this!”


33 posted on 04/10/2009 8:04:59 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


34 posted on 04/10/2009 3:38:57 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


35 posted on 04/10/2009 3:39:07 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: SIDENET
What REALLY sucked was that they took him to a reenacted field hospital and sawed his arm off without anesthesia.

Actually that's a myth,the vast majority of civil war operations had some form of anesthesia,be it chloroform or the use of morphine,this led to the US,s first drug epidemic since the effects and dosages were not well understood
there actually was a name for this "old soldiers disease"

36 posted on 04/10/2009 3:45:52 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie Ping, Brother!


37 posted on 04/10/2009 4:09:29 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: usmcobra; Virginia Ridgerunner; Squantos
Personally all my black powder weapons are 45 caliber, so that I have no problem loading a 50 into a 45 or a 45 into a 44.

My Pedersoli .45 smokepole shoots .457 balls , how do you jam a .50 caliber in a .45 caliber barrel?

38 posted on 04/10/2009 4:18:21 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: wardaddy

with a hammer....


39 posted on 04/10/2009 6:21:11 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra

lol..I have used the side of the tree my deer stand was on when in a hurry while said buck studied me curiously


40 posted on 04/10/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: wardaddy

Whatever.......:o)

Tis his story let him tell it.


41 posted on 04/10/2009 9:34:52 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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