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Not a Nation of Christians?(Closed for Good Friday)
Vanity | 04/10/2009 | Vendome

Posted on 04/10/2009 8:17:26 AM PDT by Vendome

Mr. Obama remarked in Turkey: We consider ourselves citizena... We are not a nation of Christians(paraphrased)


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So let me get this straight. The Poseur of the United States "Claims" we are not a Christian Nation.

Then how is it we celebrate Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter, as a Nation, of "citizens" or just citizens?

Wouldn't there be a prerequisite of Judeo Christian values rooted in Christianity to give foundation of belief that would cause our most important documents to recognize a higher being. To quote verbatim scripture, form the Bible and put it in documents, in buildings and on statues? Why would a non Christian Nation do that?

Why would we have National holidays that close government offices, financial institutions and stop the mail? If not for the fact that "We are a Christian Nation"?.

Mr. Obama wants to create a new international identity and relationship for us moving forward that erodes our uniqueness in the world as a Christian Nation.

Ergo the following clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA&feature=related

Please, this weekend, pray for our Nation and that God will provide us an opportunity to roll back this chump, his advisors and several members of Congress in 2010/2012.

To my Jewish friends, have a good Passover.

To my Christian Brothers and Sisters, celebrate the resurrection of Jesus and know that "All things work for the Glory of God".

Happy Easter to all Americans and "Citizens of the Body of Christ".

1 posted on 04/10/2009 8:17:26 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Stock markets are closed today because of Good Friday. Gee whiz those guys ought to be at work since we are not a Christian nation?


2 posted on 04/10/2009 8:19:42 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Vendome

My oldest Son is having his First Communion tomorrow. Obama might not think that isn’t a big deal, but it is to us..


3 posted on 04/10/2009 8:19:46 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: Vendome

In the Protestant South, Good Friday was ignored. We celebrated Easter Monday.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 8:22:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Speaking of money, if this is not a Judeo Christian nation, why does our money say “in God we Trust”?

It doesnt say in Allah we trust.


5 posted on 04/10/2009 8:23:35 AM PDT by freespirited (Is this a nation of laws or a nation of Democrats? -- Charles Krauthammer)
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To: AppyPappy

Christians Never the less.

Happy Easter.


6 posted on 04/10/2009 8:23:49 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Sadly, although we are a “Christian nation” founded on Christian principles, it is becoming more and more apparent that this is NOT a nation of Christians.
Our leader certainly IS NOT a Christian. I can certainly say this based upon the things is does and the things that come out of his mouth on a daily basis.


7 posted on 04/10/2009 8:24:40 AM PDT by a real Sheila (God bless us everyone.)
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To: Vendome

“Then how is it we celebrate Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter, as a Nation, of “citizens” or just citizens?”

Uh-oh... the cat’s out of the proverbial bag now. Barry will now see to it all those are duly replaced by their muslim counterparts.


8 posted on 04/10/2009 8:24:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Meanwhile, the sheeple graze mindlessly while awaiting slaughter at Hope and Change Ranch)
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To: Vendome

Is Christmas cancelled this year? Does anybody know?


9 posted on 04/10/2009 8:27:06 AM PDT by looois
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To: AppyPappy

Here in central Missouri, in our small town’s school district, they build Spring Break around Easter. The children are out of school for Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Monday.


10 posted on 04/10/2009 8:27:30 AM PDT by Mama25 (Do not forget that every people deserves the regime it is willing to endure. (White Rose leaflet 1))
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To: freespirited
Allah is not a God, he is an invention, a caricature of how to debase women, enslave children and a “prophet declaring that heaven is whorehouse” to those who would martyr themselves in the name of Islam.

Why can't Mennonites, Mormons and Quakers be more like them? Because our God is a gentleman and father that says “You may come to me by knocking at the door”(paraphrase).

The difference is a relationship with the True God, who is just and wants to hold to his bosom and you come to him of your own free will. No coercion, no threat.

Contrast that with a religion that exhorts followers in despicable acts of subjugating others.

11 posted on 04/10/2009 8:30:21 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: AppyPappy
We celebrated Easter Monday.

In my part of the South, all Christians (except Eastern Orthodox) will be celebrating Easter next Sunday. I didn't notice anyone celebrating it last Monday. But maybe I was just inattentive.

12 posted on 04/10/2009 8:36:10 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: a real Sheila

I would, as your friend, respectfully, disagree. We are a Nation of Christian majority.

Practicing? Walking Daily as a witness? Perfect?

Maybe not, and that is why we need God and Jesus Christ for Grace and Salvation.

Who among us decides the degree of righteousness? It ain’t gonna be me. I am a terrible judge as, probably, we all are.

Let’s just pray this weekend and put our faith in God.


13 posted on 04/10/2009 8:36:31 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Well, we’re not a “Christian nation” actually. While we may be a nation that has some Christians in it, it’s not a “Christian nation”.

This nation can’t be a Christian nation and at the same time support, legally, the killing of 43 million babies in the last several decades. The two don’t go together.

But, it can be a nation where there is a minority of Christians who still live here.

AND, yes..., in the past, when the nation was founded, it could be called a Christian nation in terms of what the nation did “corporately speaking”. Not now, though....


14 posted on 04/10/2009 8:38:32 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Vendome
"We are not a nation of Christians"

I really didn't want to nor think it fair to trust innuendo and hearsay as to the fact of whether or not Obama is a Christian. But now I have my answer..... coming from the one's very own mouth. He said "WE" meaning he and all the others he lumps in with himself. This is his picture of America based on his and his friend's positions, that they are NOT Christians.

Why then should he look any further for a DC church? Not only is he NOT a Christian..... but he is hypocritical as well! And all those DC churches that are ready to make him a member should he grace their halls with his presence, well, I have a bit of doubt as to their Christianity as well.

15 posted on 04/10/2009 8:39:43 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Vendome
The United States has, from its very beginning, refused to hold itself out as "Christian." In 1797, we signed a treaty with the city-state of Tripoli which stated,
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The Poseur of the United States "Claims" we are not a Christian Nation.

That's President to you. And he's right on this. I'll tell him when I think he's wrong - but on this, he is 100% right.

16 posted on 04/10/2009 8:40:19 AM PDT by jude24
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Exactly.

We have a National Cathedral and I think there is a church inside every Sunday.

Any Church would consider it an honor to have the President of the United States in attendance.

The President would also be honored to attend and pray with fellow Christians.

On this most important Holiday and Celebration of the Resurrection, you would think there would have been announcement indicating where Obama would celebrate Jesus Christ's Resurrection.

The message of God's gift of Salvation would be implicit. All Obama would have to is waive a bible around as he exits church.

You would, as President, find a church and lead by example of attendance. That would indicate leadership, faith, hope and unity of Christian belief.

17 posted on 04/10/2009 8:48:14 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

We are slowly losing our identity as a Christian nation because of the all-out assault on Christian values that has come from the media, the courts and our centers of learning over the past 40 years.

While Christianity is still alive and well, it is increasingly difficult to show it in public. The left has done a very good job of making anyone who dares to profess their love of Jesus Christ feel embarrassed and ashamed.

It won’t be long before the only way you will be able to show your faith is within church walls or the privacy of your home. Outwardly, we will be no different than an athiestic Soviet Union or North Korea.

An amazing fall, considering that this nation was founded on Christian principles.


18 posted on 04/10/2009 8:49:04 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (FOBO)
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To: Star Traveler
Hi Star:
Hadn't seen you in a while. Please have faith in your fellow Americans and God.

It is true that many practice “Situational Morality”.

Still, all of have fallen short of the Glory of God and that is why we become Christians. God doesn't waive a magic wand and give us the ability and consciousness of righteousness and to always act accordingly.

He does give us free will and a conscience and that all actions have a consequence.

In other words we don't suddenly become perfect. If we were, why would we be stuck on this rock?

God gives us a salvation of our own volition. Whether we choose to act as Saul or convert ourselves into Paul is up to us.

Doesn’t make one less of a Christian but less of a person.

19 posted on 04/10/2009 8:57:29 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

BTW, are you near Midwest or closer to Tulsa? I forgot.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 8:58:17 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Hi there... :-)

You said — Please have faith in your fellow Americans and God.

Well, I do have faith in other Christians, it’s the majority (who are non-Christians) that I don’t have faith in, and who have caused the country to go “non-Christian”.... (for quite a while, actually).

But, that’s no surprise, actually, as it is apparent from what the Bible says that this will happen. And it’s happening all right...

Another way to put it is that “nations” are not saved by the Gospel, only individuals are. Nations are judged in “real-time” by their actions, on a “corporate level” (as a “group” all together...).

So, with that measure, and since “nations” can’t be “saved” (by the Gospel), as only individuals can be — this nation simply is not a Christian nation. And that really has nothing, at all, to do with any one individual or a group of individuals who may be Christians because they are saved by means of the Gospel and having accepted it.

You’re talking about two completely separate things here. Individuals being saved by grace, upon their acceptance of Jesus Christ as their Savior, having understood the Gospel message — and then — a “nation” which cannot be “saved” (nations are never “saved”, they can’t be) and is only *judged* on the basis of its corporate actions. And we see what those “corporate actions” are in the United States. That’s why it’s not a Christian nation, while there are Christians “in the nation”...


21 posted on 04/10/2009 9:06:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: jude24
Jude:
You are absolutely correct, in regards to your post. The Government was founded as a secular body with Judeo Christian values. They are expressed everywhere in our government.

However, Obama was speaking on a separate issue. That we are a nation of citizens. We are not.

We are Americans who are citizens of the United States. There is a huge difference in that statement. Implicit in his statement is the marginalizing of Christianity and our collective values.

This of course was preceded with his bow of submission to the King of Saudi Arabia.

You see, it is contextual.

It is his innuendo and direct commentary that are offensive and incorrect.

22 posted on 04/10/2009 9:10:42 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Star Traveler

I was talking about individual salvation. Of course, nations are not saved by the Gospel, only a person and soul can be.

The rest of your post I agree with.

I was attempting to be cheery and ask we all pray this weekend.


23 posted on 04/10/2009 9:15:50 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome

Well yes..., I am cheery about my salvation and for others’ salvation, too. And, of course, also for what the resurrection of Jesus Christ means for all who are saved. Something definitely to be happy and grateful for.

And from that, I would also hope and pray that this means all Christians would follow the command of Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel message to all we come across (no need to go to distant countries... :-) ...).


24 posted on 04/10/2009 9:20:25 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Vendome

Obama is not the Antichrist.

He is however anti-Christ.


25 posted on 04/10/2009 9:21:08 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: AppyPappy
In the Protestant South, Good Friday was ignored. We celebrated Easter Monday.

This is also the custom in Roman Catholic France.

26 posted on 04/10/2009 9:27:24 AM PDT by DonGrafico (Choose God. Choose life. Fight on.)
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To: Vendome

Obama In Turkey “We Do Not Consider Ourselves A Christian Nation”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Honorable John Jay; original Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the Constitution said: “Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

John Marshall, Supreme Court Justice, 1833; “The American population is entirely Christian and with us, Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange, indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it. Legislation on the subject is admitted to require great delicacy, because freedom of conscience and respect for our religion both claim our most serious regard.”

President George Washington; in his 1796 farewell address said: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vein would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds; reason and experience, both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

President John Adams; “We have no government armed with power which is capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and a religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

President Thomas Jefferson; “Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?

Benjamin Franklin; “He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world.”

Noah Webster; “The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All miseries and evils which men suffer from, vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”


27 posted on 04/10/2009 9:30:08 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Star Traveler

Great then!

Happy Easter!


28 posted on 04/10/2009 9:34:07 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: MikeWUSAF
Obama is Anti-Christ and:

a Devil Worshipin’, Satanic Inspired, Communist

29 posted on 04/10/2009 9:35:49 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: cardinal4

Congrats!!!! I know y’all must be beaming with pride!!!! :)


30 posted on 04/10/2009 9:37:57 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ("The smallest minority on earth is the 'individual'." ~ Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Dirty Harry:
Who are these people you quote? How are they important to the discussion? /s

Thanks. I was thinking of looking for them. May I use them in the future?

Happy Easter.


31 posted on 04/10/2009 9:38:26 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Well, keep in mind my posts of #14 and #21, and then, of course — my post #24 (something that is important for us all “individually*...)

BUT, having said that, you do realize you’re pointing out our “history” and not the facts for *today*. Today, we are not a Christian nation — only “Christians in the nation”...

No matter how cognizant I am of my own salvation and the knowledge of many other Christians in the nation, it still does not make this country a “Christian nation”... (not now, anyway...).


32 posted on 04/10/2009 9:39:15 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: cardinal4

Congratulations!


33 posted on 04/10/2009 9:39:37 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Star Traveler
Star:
Once again correct.

A bit contrarian, but correct.

We are Christians in the Nation. That would analogous to our being in this world but not of this world.

34 posted on 04/10/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Well, I would agree with you in that I don’t think Obama really is a Christian, especially from other things that I’ve heard from him and the complete absence of hearing anything from him about accepting the Gospel message and his personal faith in Jesus Christ.

However, just realize that although I do have that personal faith and consider myself to be saved, by acceptance of Christ and what He has done for me on the cross (and that I’ve accepted that, per the Scriptures...) — I *say* (also) that this country is not a Christian nation. I can say, likewise, “We are not a Christian nation.” — and still be a Christian myself...

I hope you understand that someone can say that and still be a Christian themselves (although I don’t think Obama is a Christian, for other reasons...).


35 posted on 04/10/2009 9:44:13 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

*Takes Bow* Yep, and my youngest son’s class will have theirs next Saturday..


36 posted on 04/10/2009 9:45:24 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: Vendome

Today is a Holiday in such Christian nations as India and Hong Kong. Easter Monday is a Holiday throughout Muslim Europe.


37 posted on 04/10/2009 9:45:56 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Vendome
Sure, I found them at the library of congress website. You have to dig around to find them. They have them buried so as no child could stumble upon them by accident whilst doing research for homework.
38 posted on 04/10/2009 9:45:58 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Vendome

Yes, a bit contrarian, for sure... LOL...

But you do realize that it doesn’t take away anything from the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the joy that we have in Him, especially with this coming Sunday, where we remember this.

These facts regarding the U.S. shouldn’t remove that joy we have in Christ. It’s merely a recognition of the real situation with our country.

So, I don’t mean that we should be joyless — but that our joy doesn’t really come from being a Christian nation or not being a Christian nation... it does come from our Savior, though...

The reason why I’ve been posting, here and elsewhere, that I agree that we’re not a Christian nation, is that I think we should be (as Christians) well aware of that fact. It also points to the soon coming of our Lord to set up the Kingdom on this earth, ruling and reigning over the nations...


39 posted on 04/10/2009 9:48:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: jude24

You’re confusing the “government” with the “nation.” The government is not any particular religion, and is prohibiting from establishing a religion. The American nation is mostly Christian.

It’s easy to confuse the two these days, since the various levels of government take and spend something near 40% of the income produced by the American nation.


40 posted on 04/10/2009 9:49:39 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

No, no, I meant can use your post? I have seen these before but want use your post as a collection of these examples.

Thanks.


41 posted on 04/10/2009 9:54:54 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome; All
Is America a Christian nation?

Posted: September 17, 2007
1:00 am Eastern
By Chuck Norris
© 2009

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57666

42 posted on 04/10/2009 9:56:14 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Vendome

Sure


43 posted on 04/10/2009 9:56:55 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Star Traveler

Your posts add to God’s message of the resurrection of Jesus Christ and our possibility of salvation through him.

Yes, I agree, that our joy comes from our personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that wherever we might find ourselves that he is always with us.


44 posted on 04/10/2009 9:58:58 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

God is the only one who could beat Chuck. Though it might tire him.


45 posted on 04/10/2009 10:00:25 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: freespirited

Give him time it will be.


46 posted on 04/10/2009 10:12:06 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: a real Sheila

He is not my leader.


47 posted on 04/10/2009 10:12:58 AM PDT by jarofants
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To: Vendome
How wuld Obama know? He's not an American and what little American history he knows is badly distorted
48 posted on 04/10/2009 10:16:55 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jude24

“That’s President to you. And he’s right on this. I’ll tell him when I think he’s wrong - but on this, he is 100% right.”
“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
_________________________
The U.S. does not have and has not had the original copy of this treaty for at least two centuries (it is lost); the two originals that do exist (in Italian and Arabic) have no such phrase, no such clause in the treaty, period.
The Avalon Project at Yale University, without assigning any motives to Mr. Barlow, notes of the blatant discrepancy:

As even a casual examination of the annotated translation of 1930 shows, the Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of the sense of the Arabic; and even as such its defects throughout are obvious and glaring. Most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase, “the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,” does not exist at all. There is no Article 11. The Arabic text which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crude and flamboyant and withal quite unimportant. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/9/212811.shtml
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/tripoli/tripoli.htm


49 posted on 04/10/2009 10:19:09 AM PDT by anglian
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To: jude24

Well, the Continental Army says you’re wrong. Their motto was “No other King but Jesus.” But hey, what did they know. Bunch of uneducated farmers and townspeople. Guess they didn’t hang around to read some piece of diplo-speak.


50 posted on 04/10/2009 10:21:14 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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