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Marine Fights To Wear Dress Blues At High School Graduation
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/04/marine-lance-cpol.html ^ | April 10, 2009

Posted on 04/10/2009 4:53:35 PM PDT by Steelfish

Marine fights to wear dress blues at high school graduation

April 10, 2009

Marine Pfc. Garrett Miles-McCarthy graduated from boot camp in San Diego only last month but he is already in his first battle: against his hometown school board.

The 18-year-old wants to wear his dress blues uniform at his high school graduation ceremony in El Paso, Texas. He finished his coursework in December and immediately shipped out to Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego.

School officials have said no, that all grads have to wear cap and gown, no exceptions. The mayor, a local congressman and others are backing Miles-McCarthy, who says wearing the uniform will show his pride in being a Marine and his support for his father, a career soldier bound for Iraq.

The school board will take up the red-hot issue Tuesday, the same day Miles-McCarthy is set to return to duty for advance training.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: graduation; marines; mcop102034g; publikskoolz; uniform
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1 posted on 04/10/2009 4:53:35 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Sad that he has to fight for that Dress Blues look awesome and im a dude


2 posted on 04/10/2009 4:55:39 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Steelfish; xzins
I don't know about this.

If the rule is that everyone wears a cap and gown, then everyone should wear a cap and gown. If you let a Marine wear dress blues, then the next thing you know you will have transvestites wanting to wear blue dresses.

He should wear the dress blues under his cap and gown.

The uniform of the day, soldier, is ... Cap and Gown.

3 posted on 04/10/2009 4:58:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Steelfish

I dread graduation season for this reason: everyone thinks they’re special and want to stand out like a sore thumb. Wear the uniform under the gown and be silent.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 4:59:24 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Steelfish

Maybe he should write to former President Bush in Crawford, Texas to speak on his behalf. I can’t understand the school board’s reason to not allow the dress blues.


5 posted on 04/10/2009 5:00:22 PM PDT by senorita
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To: senorita
I can’t understand the school board’s reason to not allow the dress blues.

Should a transvestite student be allowed to wear a blue dress?

6 posted on 04/10/2009 5:02:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Steelfish

Hellaciously cool uniform, but stow it until after the ceremony.

7 posted on 04/10/2009 5:02:56 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Steelfish
The 18-year-old wants to wear his dress blues uniform at his high school graduation ceremony in El Paso, Texas.

Does the Corp teach Marines that they can do anything they want to do? Or do they have to follow the rules?

Wear the uniform under the gown like all the others! At the completion of the ceremony remove the gown and have a good time like all the other students.

8 posted on 04/10/2009 5:04:21 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: P-Marlowe

The school board could simply state that the appropriate dress for the graduation ceremony is either the cap & gown or a military uniform if you have proof of current enlistment. Then you won’t have the problem of “other” groups trying to wear strange outfits just to stand out from the crowd.


9 posted on 04/10/2009 5:04:29 PM PDT by senorita
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To: P-Marlowe
The uniform of the day, soldier

Not a soldier.

10 posted on 04/10/2009 5:04:31 PM PDT by xone
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To: martin_fierro

If he wants to wear dress blues, then he should volunteer to be part of the color guard. He could wear his uniform during the flag presentation then get into his cap and gown for the remainder of the ceremony.


11 posted on 04/10/2009 5:05:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: xone
Not a soldier.

Sorry.

Semper Fi. :-)

12 posted on 04/10/2009 5:06:03 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Steelfish

If he’s just finished boot camp then he’s familiar with the term ‘uniform of the day’. Well, the uniform of the day for graduation is cap and gown.


13 posted on 04/10/2009 5:06:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Steelfish
Feminism and liberalism has taken over too much of our high school. Manliness and patriotism are scoffed at or just papered over.

I noted at one high school graduation back in the USA a few years ago I witnessed, the speeches and talk were all liberal, there was no prayer nor pledge of allegiance nor national anthem, 80% of the instructors were overweight liberal women there up on the dais--I thought they were going to crash through the floor all sitting bunched together on these little folding chairs barely suppporting them, nearly 90% of the awards went to females in the HS class, who themselves went on to give liberal speeches.

I thought to myself Hey! FOR SURE there are some MEN (and maybe some women) in this graduating class of 2004 who have joined the US military and this summer will ship out to Iraq or Afghanistan or Korea. Why does not this foolish school let THEM stand up and get a round of applause and some recognition for THEIR accomplishments (and future danger)?? And this was in a relatively conservative part of the US.

"Cindee is going to Stanford and Brandy is going to Berkeley, or our valedictorian Jin Soo is going to MIT and Christie made it into to Yale...oh...blah blah blah blah

14 posted on 04/10/2009 5:07:38 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (We live in interesting times.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Not a bad idea, either.


15 posted on 04/10/2009 5:07:50 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: P-Marlowe

no prob.


16 posted on 04/10/2009 5:08:42 PM PDT by xone
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To: P-Marlowe

My thoughts exactly. Wear it under the cap and gown. It’s only for one hour. Then take it off after the ceremony. Some battles are worth fighting. This one serves no purpose.


17 posted on 04/10/2009 5:14:22 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: senorita

nice idea but won’t work..too many groups would bring “doctors notes” saying, hey, anatomically they’re a guy, but really they’re a girl..(read: discrimination suits)

end result, wear the dress uniform under the cap and gown..


18 posted on 04/10/2009 5:15:53 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (The only thing Obama is capable of running is his mouth...(with help from a teleprompter))
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To: senorita
The school board could simply state that the appropriate dress for the graduation ceremony is either the cap & gown or a military uniform if you have proof of current enlistment.

Trust me, if you make an exception for Service members, you will end up with exceptions for homosexuals and transvestites and Goths and Punks and all other forms of fashion depravity.

The uniform of the day is a cap and gown. There ought not to be any exceptions, otherwise why have a "uniform" at all. He earned the right to wear his dress blues, but only when it is appropriate. He also has earned the right to wear a cap and gown. He should wear that "uniform" with equal pride and not try to stand out from the crowd.

19 posted on 04/10/2009 5:18:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

What a laugh, I bet no flag ceremony or pledge to the flag!

My grandson’s last event did not even have a flag in sight for the Christmas program...I inquired and was told it was not part of assemblies any more in that PUBLIC School.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 5:18:47 PM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Steelfish

I’m with the school board on this one. Wear the cap and gown like your fellow graduates. The gown comes off immediately after the graduation anyway. He’ll have the rest of the night to wear his uniform proudly.


21 posted on 04/10/2009 5:19:23 PM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: P-Marlowe
"Should a transvestite student be allowed to wear a blue dress?"

Why should there be equality or reciprocity? No - transvestite freaks don't get to wear dresses. Yes - Marines get to wear uniforms. Don't like it? Get the F out of my country. I have no tolerance left. Don't want to leave? Then let the war begin already.

22 posted on 04/10/2009 5:22:11 PM PDT by Uhaul (Time to water the tree of liberty...)
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To: Uhaul

Quit letting the left define our society people.


23 posted on 04/10/2009 5:23:16 PM PDT by Uhaul (Time to water the tree of liberty...)
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To: Uhaul
Why should there be equality or reciprocity?

Because that is the way it works, my FRiend.

Yes - Marines get to wear uniforms. Don't like it? Get the F out of my country.

Marines are expected to wear the uniform of the day. If they can't do that, then they don't last long in the Marines. The cap and gown is a uniform. The tradition is that all students wear the same uniform because all students are getting the same honor on that day.

This Marine has already worn the Dress Blues to one graduation ceremony which honored graduating recruits. That was uniform of that day. The uniform for graduation from high school is a cap and gown. Everyone should be wearing the same uniform. He is not being recognized for accomplishments made AFTER he left high school. He is being honored for the accomplishments he made IN high school. He should be honored to wear a cap and gown with his fellow students.

24 posted on 04/10/2009 5:29:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: 1rudeboy

I dread graduation season for this reason: everyone thinks they’re special and want to stand out like a sore thumb.

Wear the uniform under the gown and be silent.


Me too.

I especially hate when people want to be individuals. Better that we all look, think and act exactly as the liberal public school has tried to instill in us and our children. /sarc off/

Are you a teacher?

Why don’t you quit trying to stand out and be silent.


25 posted on 04/10/2009 5:31:48 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: Uhaul

Why should there be equality or reciprocity? No - transvestite freaks don’t get to wear dresses. Yes - Marines get to wear uniforms. Don’t like it? Get the F out of my country. I have no tolerance left. Don’t want to leave? Then let the war begin already


Amen, Amen, Amen Amen, Amen, Amen Amen, Amen, Amen.

Then cancel the whole freakin thing when others fight for their exceptions. Like another said it is just one last stab for the liberals to stick their crap into the hearts of our kids why we sit around clapping.


26 posted on 04/10/2009 5:36:12 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: P-Marlowe

How about when someone wants to wear military dress uniform we say excellent,
when someone want to wear his eagle scout uniform we go right ahead
when some guy wants to wear a dress we say take a freakin hike.


27 posted on 04/10/2009 5:40:43 PM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan
when some guy wants to wear a dress we say take a freakin hike.

This is a public school... In El Paso Texas. Be thankful that these students are required to wear the same uniform (cap and gown). Otherwise the uniform of the day would be Gangsta white t-shirts with baggy pants and chains.

28 posted on 04/10/2009 5:46:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I don't know about this.

I do, tell them to stuff it and go out to dinner with your parents and friends instead.

There ain't no requirement that you have to walk across a stage in order to graduate.........just a waste of time.

29 posted on 04/10/2009 5:50:41 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun on an Indy car....)
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To: Steelfish

They should eliminate graduation and just mail the diplomas.

I went to my high school one but didn’t bother with college and had them mail it.


30 posted on 04/10/2009 5:59:01 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Steelfish

“Marine Fights To Wear Dress Blues At High School Graduation”

I don’t see why his orientation should matter.


31 posted on 04/10/2009 6:15:17 PM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: P-Marlowe
He should wear the dress blues under his cap and gown.

That's what I was thinking, solves both problems, unless there is a uniform code that says you can't wear a grad gown over dress uniform.

32 posted on 04/10/2009 6:19:16 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Uhaul

My thoughts exactly, and I was USAF. Schools are all too often cesspools of liberal intolerance (did I just repeat meyself?). Let the Marine stand out, it is their natural
condition!


33 posted on 04/10/2009 6:23:42 PM PDT by HattonFarmer (Fear the government that fears your gun.)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

Why not just skip graduation if the ceremony means so little to him? Because the cap and gown have been a part of graduation ceremonies for centuries.


34 posted on 04/10/2009 6:26:26 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: senorita

President Bush I, who did in fact join the military right out of high school is the sort who respects tradition in a way few do anymore. He would certainly advocate the cap and gown when appropriate (at a graduation ceremony) and the military uniform when appropriate.

If I’m not mistaken, the dress uniform is considered an appropriate substitute for business or formal wear, and should obviously be allowed at an event where students wear suits. But graduation is a special event with its own uniform, and I don’t think it would be appropriate etiquette to wear a military uniform in place of this.


35 posted on 04/10/2009 6:34:42 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Steelfish
There was a similar situation in Los Angeles County. The principal initially declined the request based on existing policy but experiencing personal conflict over the situation he later reversed himself as described in the following letter. The school board affirmed his decision and wrote a new graduation policy to allow for military uniforms.

In recognition of those who serve our country
Bill Bolde - March 6, 2009

Over the past six years, Saugus High School has had nine graduating seniors gain acceptance to various academies of the United States armed forces.

We know that more than 100 other Centurion students over that time have made a commitment to join the U.S. military and serve their country.

As principal, I’ve been most proud of these students’ accomplishments and their willingness to be trained to one day trek to remote parts of the world to man a post or engage in combat to protect the freedoms we enjoy every day.

These students embody bravery, courage and leadership. I respect their character and I long to honor their commitment.

Recently, I received a request by a parent of a student who graduated early to allow her son to walk in the commencement ceremony this June in full Marine dress blues.

My original thoughts can best be categorized under two umbrellas — personal values and school protocols. Fundamentally, I value the human price we pay as a nation each year to protect our liberties. Affording a student who graduated early and who is proud of his new title as a United States Marine to walk in his uniform at graduation is a positive thing for the student, the school and the community.

Administratively, I recognized that we have never done anything like this before. We have consistently had the practice of all graduates wearing the traditional cap and gown during the ceremony.

In fact, we’ve always had the wording in the contract for seniors that specifically states “no alterations, substitutions or modifications” may be made to the attire.

As is common with many leaders in all walks of life, I take council with many of my administrative peers, educational colleagues and respected friends.

Through the process of searching for the appropriate resolve, I entertained calls from Congressman McKeon’s office and Gov. Schwarzenegger’s office. I had conversations with Mr. Castellanos, my superintendent, as well as other district leaders.

I have even talked directly to officers of the U.S. Marine Corps. I believe it is always most prudent to gather as much information as possible while making significant decisions that affect a lot of people.

Last Friday, I called the young man’s mom and asked if we might be able to meet again. I wanted to hear her heart and try to look through a new lens.

She conveyed to me the importance of her son’s wish to wear the uniform. From the time he was a toddler, all he wanted was to be a Marine.

We had a wonderful exchange and I told her that I would not only advocate for her son to walk in his uniform, but I would champion a resolution that would allow other students who become members of the military as early grads the same accord.

That night, I was able to talk to the Saugus graduate who was in basic training at Camp Pendleton. It was an inspiring conversation.

The next morning, I went to my office and drafted some language that could be presented to Administrative Council and, upon approval, be forwarded to the governing board.

I feel confident that that process is going down a positive pathway for this year and in the future ... for Saugus High School and all schools in the Hart district.

I am a proud American who honors and prays daily for our military leaders as well as the men and women all over the world who make up our armed forces.

My intent has never been to dishonor those who stand watch for our liberties. This week, I have had follow-up conversations with the mom and know that she has been very complimentary of the resolution to her son’s request.

Her son, Nicholas Laccabue, is going to walk proudly in his dress blues at the Saugus High School graduation ceremony June 3.

I am looking forward to putting the Lamp of Learning medallion around his neck, shaking his hand and telling him “well done” as he crosses the stage.

Bear in mind that local sensiblilities are reflected in the fact that the school district is named after this early patron.

36 posted on 04/10/2009 6:36:14 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: 1rudeboy

Not that I agree with his decision to wear the uniform (as a veteran Marine myself), but that would be a big no-no. Wearing ANYTHING with a uniform that is not considered an official uniform article is a violation of the dress standard and is punishable.


37 posted on 04/10/2009 6:37:55 PM PDT by Echo4C
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To: Steelfish

Caps and gowns are bought and rented,
Dress Blues are earned,
Tassels hang faded from rear view mirrors,
The title “Marine” is worn to the grave.
Let his classmates see what he has become.


38 posted on 04/10/2009 6:45:53 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: usmcobra

If he shows up in his blue’s, who’s going to turn this young Devil-Pup away?
I’d like to see them try.

OOH-RAH!


39 posted on 04/10/2009 7:11:20 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Obama bows down to men with sheets on their heads - The NAACP should be outraged!)
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To: Markos33

That’s not exactly a great way to begin his Marine career, by disobeying authority.

I remember when I was getting married in the mid-70s, we wanted all of our male attendants to wear tuxes. We were even paying for their tuxes. (Back then, we could rent them for $10 each). Well, one of our groomsmen had been in the Army and one was still in the Navy. They both wanted to wear their dress uniforms instead. I wanted all the groomsmen to dress alike, and being as their dress uniforms were different, I was afraid that it wouldn’t look good to have everyone wearing different articles of clothing.

They got very insulted and almost didn’t stand in my wedding, until my husband talked them into wearing the tuxes. This was at a time when sensitivities were high about the Viet Nam War and anti-war sentiments. I was, and still am, very pro-military and that had nothing to do with my decision.

In hindsight, I should have backed down and let them wear the dress uniforms, especially now that I have a son in the military and know how important it is.


40 posted on 04/10/2009 7:55:30 PM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Steelfish

I hate those people
( no, not the fine marine, but the other ones.)


41 posted on 04/10/2009 8:28:13 PM PDT by genghis
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To: Echo4C

agreed. he’s just out of boot camp and hasn’t had a good dressing down. recruit training is is not the real marine corps world and he has yet to figure that out. i’m sure that once he gets to his next duty station for training and his officers and NCOs hear about this they’ll change his mind for him. as it is not a military ceremony nor will he be on duty he is not required to wear a uniform. he should be in civvies under the cap & gown that every other graduate will be wearing.


42 posted on 04/10/2009 10:40:11 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: P-Marlowe; Steelfish; Lancey Howard

I agree with you. While I have great regard for the uniforms of all our services, even in the military itself, the organizer of the program prescribes the dress/uniform for the occasion.

As you report, the cap and gown is a temporary, traditional robe worn over the clothes one chooses for the day. A proud Marine could wear his uniform, and for the graduation portion of that ceremony don the educational robe. Afterwards, he’s free to remove the robe.

As you suggest, as soon as one variation in dress is permitted, these schools are bombarded by those who wish to dress in the weirdest ways.


43 posted on 04/11/2009 1:01:31 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins

Good post.


44 posted on 04/11/2009 1:12:57 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: P-Marlowe
He should wear the dress blues under his cap and gown.

No can do. Violation of MCO P1020.34G to which PFC Garrett Miles-McCarthy is subject.

The uniform of the day, soldier(sic)

He's a Marine, not a soldier.

45 posted on 04/11/2009 10:03:58 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Steelfish

I am married to a military man and respect them all very much, but this is a high school graduation and the graduates wear cap and gown.

He got to wear his dress blues at his Marine “graduation”; he can certainly wear the HS “uniform” at his HS graduation.

He should wear the cap and gown and don the uniform for his own party after the school ceremony is over.


46 posted on 04/11/2009 10:06:57 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Proud Citizen of the Gator Nation)
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To: missnry
Does the Corp(sic) teach Marines that they can do anything they want to do? Or do they have to follow the rules?(sic)

Corps

Wear the uniform under the gown like all the others!

Try and be consistent. First you ponder whether or not the Corps teaches Marines to follow the rules then you advocate that this one violate MCO P1020.34G.

You sound like Obowma.

47 posted on 04/11/2009 10:08:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: P-Marlowe
This Marine has already worn the Dress Blues to one graduation ceremony which honored graduating recruits. That was uniform of that day.

Only if he was Honor Man of his platoon or series. Not every Marine graduates from Recruit Training wearing Dress Blue Bravos. You need to get your facts squared away and stop spreading bad gouge.

48 posted on 04/11/2009 10:31:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Domandred
unless there is a uniform code that says you can't wear a grad gown over dress uniform.

There is, MCO P1020.34G.

49 posted on 04/11/2009 10:32:52 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: xzins
A proud Marine could wear his uniform,

Not under the gown he can't.

50 posted on 04/11/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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