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To: AmericanArchConservative

There was some serious thought of making the election null and void and just start all over, without Barry of course.

I remember the Olympics had to do a 2 year lapse instead of the traditional 4 year venues to better coincide with the summer/winter events.

Not that I think we can hold out that long, frankly I think two months more will be pushing it. America is reaching a boiling point with Obama, everywhere I go, everybody I talk to at some point has a bad comment or view of him.

Old friends I have not seen in years that I bump into at the post office ask me who would be the best local leader in our area if we have to form up a militia. Where to meet and how to handle a loss of communication.

People are absolutely terrified that their neighbors are on “the other side” and are now afraid of being targeted by officials for any reason that would be illegal or against Obamas new laws.

And the talk also is that there is no confidence in the GOP at all, or rather what the GOP is now, Glenn Beck is the rage, people flock into the local bar and watch him on the Widescreens every day. If Glenn says jump I swear we would have holes in the ceiling around my town.

Its going to get very interesting as to what direction he leads America after the April 15th tax protests.


18 posted on 04/11/2009 4:44:22 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Eye of Unk; Calpernia; Squantos; Fred Nerks; greyfoxx39; Godzilla

Firstly - and for the record in this forum - the order of succession is as follows, by position, and person occupying that office:

Vice President - Joseph Biden

Speaker of the House of Representatives - Nancy Pelosi

President of the Senate, Pro Tempore - Harry Reid

Secretary of State - Mrs. William Jefferson Hillary Rodham Clinton

Secretary of the Treasury - Timothy Geithner

Secretary of Defense - Robert Gates

Attorney General - Eric Holder

Secretary of the Interior - Ken Salazar

Secretary of Agriculture - Tom Vilsack

Secretary of Commerce - Gary Locke

Labor Secretary - Hilda Solis

Secretary of Health and Human Services - Kathleen Sibelius

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development - Shaun Donovan

Secretary of Transportation - Ray LaHood

Secretary of Energy - Steven Chu

Secretary of Education - Arne Duncan

Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs - Eric Shinseki

Secretary of Homeland Security - Janet Napolitano

I know I am not the only (CONSERVATIVE) person who instinctively sees an enormous problem with this larger picture.

In this whole array we have but one “Republican”, Kathleen Sibelius, and based upon her pro-abortion record and several other criteria, I will safely assume that ALL of us in this forum regard her as an unqualified (in every sense of the word) R.I.N.O.

Robert Gates may be a Republican, but he is a holdover from the George W. Bush administration, and perhaps the only selection by zer0bama that ANY conservative in the country can stomach. Nonetheless, he was selected by, and serves at the pleasure of the President.

If Obama is disallowed as U.S. President, ALL actions taken by him since he insinuated himself into office (for the sake of this construct) by illicit means, are similirly invalid on their face.

Each and every Executive Order, every bill presented to him by Congress for his signature, every action taken and every word spoken by him to foreign leaders and dignitaries, any and every treaty, alliance, and/or trade agreement entered into him in behalf of the American people.

All are at once null and void, without further qualification.

So what then?

First and foremost, he would have to either resign, or face being forcibly removed from office.

Herein lies the first possible conundrum.

Correct me if I am wrong - anybody - but is it not true that should he fail to resign immediately (and Joseph Biden as Vice President along with him) the responsibility for removing him from office by force of legal authority wold fall upon the shoulders of the highest law enforcement officer in the land - currently sitting Attorney General, Eric Holder!?

Holder has already demonstrated his political-philosophical leanings, as well as his loyalty to Obama’s agenda. He would probably feel a tremendous amount of personal reluctance to exercise the authority of his office against the very man who appointed him to that office in the first place.

Nonetheless, he is sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America as the highest law of this land. If he were to have any hope whatsoever of holding his head up among decent people in this country ever again, he would have to find himself under enormous pressure to act in behalf of the Constitution and of “We, the People” whom he is sworn to protect.

So does he remove Obama, and thus insure that he will himself sooner or later be forced to vacate the Attorney General post, as an invalid appointee? Or does he choose another direction, in apparent defiance of the will of the people and the direction of the law!?

If Holder obeys his Constitutional obligations in this scenario, who then will exercise further investigative authority and maintain jurisdiction over all which proceeds out of Obama’s and Biden’s removal?

Will that same body (The Justice Department, perhaps?) insist that all of the Cabinet appointees step down as well.

Will either Pelosi or Reid be found to have their fingerprints on any aspect of the cover-up of Obama’s origins and citizenship?

Will a Democratic Party dominated Congress exercise control over a situation which could easily permanently cripple or destroy public willingness to place ANY trust in any of them.

If Obama is established as a fraud, what is called for. A new election? How will the candidates be selected, or will we default to the same GOP ticket and the Democrat party runner-up, Mrs. William Jefferson Hillary Rodham Clinton?

She is the sitting Secretary of State, and like her or not, she is nothing if not a shrewd political operator. I would virtually guarantee that once she got wind of such an event, she would begin moving forward on two different fronts.

In the name of “political decency” or fairness or something, she would be among the very first to tender her resignation, calculated to distance herself as quickly and thoroughly as possible from the taint of such a scandal.

She would make some moving and probably tearful speech, invoke America, the Constitution, G_d, and family, common decency (remember she is shrewd!!)

Behind the scenes, her cadre of people would be moving at TOP speed to mobilize an “organic, grassroots movement” in her favor. She would want the support to appear to come from some distance away, politically speaking.

The most annoying and sickening part is that her supporters would be rightfully able to present her as a wronged/aggrieved party - a victim, cheated out of something which should have belonged to her.

SHe has played this card before, does anyone out there seriously think she would not play it now - from an infinitely stronger position of legitimacy?

It would also be reasonable to expect that all the dirt we all know her to have on her political opponents would come out of the dusty files and at risk of seeing the light of day, she would get a lot of “independent” acclaim, and lobbying in her behalf.

“Power abhors a vacuum”, and Hillary abhors being anywhere near power and not holding the reins.

We as Conservatives should not make the same mistake twice of underestimating our opponents and overestimating the strength of our own position.

We underestimate Hillary at our own extreme peril. WHere there is a will, there is a way, and it has long been obvious that she has a will to power.

Before a situation like this develops, we ABSOLUTELY MUST have a plan.

If we FAIL TO PLAN, we are essentially PLANNING TO FAIL.

Pointing our fingers publicly in this situation would not be good enough.

Saying, “We’re not those corrupt guys over there in that party...” would also not be good enough.

Howling about the wrong done to us all, and identifying every Democrat with Obama will not be good enough...

We have to (by we, I mean our Conservative elected leaders in the GOP) have an actual, workable plan. We must recognize that this is a transitory state which has never before existed in the 233 years - long history of our dear Republic, and we must collectively be (like Reagan was during trying times) the voices of calmness and consistency, the voices in favor of order and reason, the advocates for confidence and good cheer.

We should do well to remember who we are. We are America, and the whole world would undeniably be watching - watching to see our example, watching to see if we negotiated our way through a potentially grave crisis with maturity, gravitas, and clarity of vision - or if we would revert as so many nations have before, to the worse angels of our nature.

WE MUST HAVE A PLAN. It must be BETTER and MORE APPEALINGLY articulated than the plan the Democrats will offer...

Be sure that they will offer one...and expect that it will be a lie (or a series of lies), but know that presents no problem for them.

They’ve been lying for decades. They have no problem continuing to do something they have done for so long, and they certainly have no compunctions about engaging whatever “spin” may be necessary to market their lies.

Above all else they regard holding power as their birthright, and they will neither relinquish nor share it willy-nilly.

We must have a plan - without one, we might as well all stay home. Not having a plan got us here in the first place, because we perhaps just assumed we would triumph because we were right.

3 - 2 - 1 -

Confer, consult, and discuss!

A.A.C.


35 posted on 04/12/2009 12:32:32 AM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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