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The Tea Tantrum Movement
The Atlantic ^ | April 10, 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 04/11/2009 3:21:50 AM PDT by Zakeet

I spent the better part of an hour earlier today scanning the various sites and blogs to try and understand what specifically the Fox-Pajamas tea parties are about. Having absorbed about as much of the literature as I can, I have to say I'm still befuddled.

Option 1: It's a protest of the bank bailouts orchestrated by Bush and now Obama. But surely these tea-partiers understand what would happen if we didn't bail the banks out. Are they advocating letting major banks fail? Or are they advocating a Krugman-style government take-over? No idea.

Option 2: It's a protest against tax hikes. But there have barely been any!

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Option 3: It's a protest against illegal immigration. Ok, so why the tea? Weren't all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?

Option 4: It's a protest against government debt. Yay! I will leave aside the somewhat awkward fact that Fox News and Pajamas Media barely covered the massive debt racked up by the Republicans during a period of economic growth.

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What it looks like to me is some kind of amorphous, generalized rage on the part of those who were used to running the country and now don't feel part of the culture at all. But the only word for that is: tantrum.

These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.

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1 posted on 04/11/2009 3:21:50 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Couldn’t agree more...


2 posted on 04/11/2009 3:28:30 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Andrew Sullivan! What a Punk!


3 posted on 04/11/2009 3:28:44 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Zakeet
You left off the

Alert

4 posted on 04/11/2009 3:30:01 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Clinton was our first black President ... Obama is our first French President.)
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To: Zakeet

Well ok Zakeet.

The author of this piece of junk is today’s STUCK ON STUPID award winner.


5 posted on 04/11/2009 3:32:39 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Mr. Sullivan speaks with the authority of a tea room veteran.


6 posted on 04/11/2009 3:33:45 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Zakeet
King George:

"The colonies shall not be emancipated"

Albert Gore Senior (algore's father who voted against the civil right's act)

"Black people want to sit where on the bus?!?"

Andrew Sullivan (now I can say I've heard of him...)

"Tantrums! You're throwing tantrums!"

7 posted on 04/11/2009 3:36:00 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Zakeet
Option 1: It's a protest of the bank bailouts orchestrated by Bush and now Obama. But surely these tea-partiers understand what would happen if we didn't bail the banks out. Are they advocating letting major banks fail?

It's called the Free Enterprise system, Andrew. Some banks will fail due to their short-sighteness and greed, and other, stronger banks step in to take up the slack. Sure we'd have some pain as this happens, but the entire system would emerge stronger. It's not government's place to meddle.

Option 2: It's a protest against tax hikes. But there have barely been any!

Oh, just you wait. BOHICA!

Option 3: It's a protest against illegal immigration. Ok, so why the tea? Weren't all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?

Really weak, Andrew. The founding fathers were illegal aliens? I don't remember them sneaking past the Indian ICE agents from my history books.

Option 4: It's a protest against government debt. Yay! I will leave aside the somewhat awkward fact that Fox News and Pajamas Media barely covered the massive debt racked up by the Republicans during a period of economic growth.

Should have been checking FR. We've been raving about it for years!
8 posted on 04/11/2009 3:36:11 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Refugee from the World of Doomed Olsens)
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To: Zakeet

What it looks like to me is some kind of amorphous, generalized rage on the part of those who were used to running the country and now don’t feel part of the culture at all. But the only word for that is: tantrum.

So, andrew, who’s been running the country? Seems to me the things you mentioned that were needing change were all attempted by the ones you accuse of running the country, and were promptly shut down by the ones really running the country into the ground as it turned out.


9 posted on 04/11/2009 3:36:19 AM PDT by wita
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To: Zakeet

Oh he gets it and I think he’s a teeny bit nervous that rank and file Americans have had it with the crap constantly being shoveled down our throats by bureaucrats at all levels.

He’s just being cute.


10 posted on 04/11/2009 3:40:59 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Zakeet
I see quite a lot of articles now by Liberals and people in the MSM who are upset about the Tea Parties, and are ridiculing them with increasing frequency.

It is always the stuck hog who squeels.

That's Sullivan on the left.....

11 posted on 04/11/2009 3:42:28 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Zakeet

When Andrew Sullivan is channeling his best 13 year-old girl persona you know something has struck a nerve. He and the rest of the petulant left are worried. Their Obama-god has clay feet and they desperately want the grown ups to tell them what to do. They are very scared when the people seem to be aware that the national socialists have no idea what they are doing.


12 posted on 04/11/2009 3:42:44 AM PDT by muir_redwoods ( O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Asinine Mistake, America)
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To: Zakeet
I spent the better part of an hour earlier today scanning the various sites and blogs to try and understand what specifically the Fox-Pajamas tea parties are about. Having absorbed about as much of the literature as I can, I have to say I'm still befuddled.

Be sure and read the previous quote aloud in a whining, lispy, bitch-boy British accent to get the full effect.

Personally, I am befuddled as to how Andrew Sullivan and his fellow bone-smugglers can look at another man's hairy bunghole and get aroused.

It's high time that we purged our ranks of fifth-columnist poseurs like Sullivan who want to hijack and subvert the conservative movement.

13 posted on 04/11/2009 3:42:57 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Yankee

He was never part of it in the 1st place.


14 posted on 04/11/2009 3:45:49 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Zakeet

Sounds like he is the one “whining” here. We are merely peacefully standing for our rights. Our words may be loud, but we are certainly not “juveniles” either...


15 posted on 04/11/2009 3:47:50 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: SkyPilot

Bet I can guess who is the”mommy” and who is the “daddy”.

I’m told the big fella is just “nuts over” Sullivan.

Nyuck-nyuck-nyuck.


16 posted on 04/11/2009 3:48:20 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: papertyger

couldn’t agree with the major errors in facts here?

Bush’s deficits are 1/4 Obama’s, is that what you think is okay?


17 posted on 04/11/2009 3:48:47 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Zakeet

If there is any group who knows best about throwing tantrums, it is the libtards, including their subgroups of Prop8 protestors, “no justice, no peace” entitlement race baiters, feminazis, algores, Bush derangement sufferers, Code Pinkos and shrieking infanticiders.


18 posted on 04/11/2009 3:48:50 AM PDT by Canedawg (Obowma did not bow, He did not have bow with that prince. Sincerely, TOTUS)
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To: Zakeet

Liberals are befuddled with Tea Party grass roots folks who want a return to the Constitution as the law of the land. Secondly, they still blame Bush for everything. We need to enact the HR450 legislation, where any new laws created by Congress needs to include a citation of the authority granted chapter-and-verse from the Consitution.

If you don’t get the first part, get this: We don’t want LIBERAL’s deficit spending, taxes, entitlements or wealth redistribution. Return to the gold standard and don’t spend what we don’t have...PERIOD!

Sorry, but we need to phase out Medicare and Medicaid, to go by the way side in 10 years. Families need to support families. We don’t want to pay for College free rides for everyone. We don’t need a nation of lifetime students!

...and we can’t afford Nationalized Health Care! Remove FDA regulations on access to prescription-only drugs. For example, I don’t need to pay a doctor a cut when I have a sinus infection. I just need a simple antibiotic that the Pharmacist knows will work. This would save everyone a lot of money for access to simple drug treatments (I am not talking about Chemo).

We could keep Social Security if the Government thiefs would stop stealing money from it and leaving worthless IOUs...and no free ride for ex-Congressmen for the lifetime pensions. Remove any provision that allows Congress to give themselves raises whenever they want to. And get rid of the unconstitutional FEDERAL RESERVE!

RESTRICT activitst judges ability to create new laws against the will of the people. Our majority vote should mean something.

Even if Liberals read this post, they still won’t get it.


19 posted on 04/11/2009 3:49:07 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give to my counrty)
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To: Zakeet
These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.

Wow, I didn't know Sully had a degree in sociology.

She obviously hasn't been seriously looking at the tea party folks, and she obviously doesn't know the truth about thw whole movement.

These aren't, for instance, "Fox" tea partys. Fox is choosing to COVER the news, though, and for that I applaud them.

Also, the tea parties are about expansion of government, particularly the printing press money methods adopted by ALL in government power in the last 6 months...but exacerbated by Hussein's administration.

In fact, if she'd think instead of trying to be clever with the keyboard, Sully would find Hussein has pretty much outspent Bush in his first 100 days.

Of course, expecting these liberals to do honest journalism is also kind of like expecting the sun to rise in the west and set in the east: you can IMAGINE it, but it won't really happen.

20 posted on 04/11/2009 3:49:08 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Zakeet

Poor Andrew just doesn’t get it, does he?

He is wrong on so many pounts that this article should have been trashed. Let me try to refute his points:
1. Bank bailouts were wrong under Bush and we flooded Congress with a resounding “NO”. They did it anyway. The bank bailouts are wrong under 0bama and we flooded Congress with a resounding “NO”. They did it anyway. Now it’s our turn!
2. “Hardly” any tax hikes because they haven’t been passed, yet! I guess the higher taxes that have been passed don’t count.
3. Founders of this country were NOT illegal immigrants. Stop with the rationalizations.
4. See Number 1 Versailles on the Potomac doesn’t listen.
5. You want to hear some proposals for cuts. How about no Medicare (and I’m on it), no Depts of Education, HHS, Energy, Labor, Commerce, OSHA, EPA, etc? How about Zero earmarks? How about limiting Congress to two stff and 1 secretary? How about no pensions for Congress? How about no foreign aid? How about we drill for our own oil instead of paying tin horn dictators? And that’s just for starters!

The reason for the tea parties has not changed in over 230 yars - “Taxation without representation is tyranny.”


21 posted on 04/11/2009 3:50:04 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Zakeet
Weren't all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?

Most, if not all were Colonists ... second, third & fourth generation. Colonists were British subjects who immigrated to the Americas from mostly Britain, but also France and other European countries ... Huguenots for instance. In any case they didn't sneak into this country, or arrive legally only to overstay their visa and meld into the masses ... they were here legally. Entirely so ...

22 posted on 04/11/2009 3:50:38 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Zakeet

Andrew, shut your gay little pie hole. You have no standing in this country and we don’t give a damn what you think. Go back to Britain.


23 posted on 04/11/2009 3:51:07 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: Zakeet

It is good that they are getting scared. Taxes + debt + loss of civil liberties = a lower standard of living and national indentured servitude to the debt-holding Chinese.


24 posted on 04/11/2009 3:52:41 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Obama's just another word for nothin' left to lose)
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To: Zakeet
Weren't all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?

What?

25 posted on 04/11/2009 3:53:34 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Yankee

Bone-smugglers. LOL!

I can’t get how these privileged, elitist scum justify to themselves how they’ll survive once Lord Voldemort attains total power.

Lord Vodemort being a figurative transliteration of the communist regime they’re dreaming of. These “journalists” will be lined up along with the rest providing garden nurture after their purpose is done.


26 posted on 04/11/2009 3:55:41 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Nickname
Oh he gets it and I think he’s a teeny bit nervous that rank and file Americans have had it with the crap constantly being shoveled down our throats by bureaucrats at all levels.

What exactly does anyone expect to change because of the tea parties? All these people seem to be patting themselves on the back because they screwed up the courage to confess undying love for the prom queen, but she's still not going to go out with you.

27 posted on 04/11/2009 3:57:07 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: SkyPilot

He can’t leave his buddies “behind”


28 posted on 04/11/2009 3:58:22 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: NTHockey

That’s one damn great list.

Please keep contributing.


29 posted on 04/11/2009 3:59:11 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: SkyPilot

SP,

Always nice to have a little perspective.

Thanks.

E01


30 posted on 04/11/2009 4:03:18 AM PDT by Eddie01 (Telling it like it is since "revolver" was released)
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To: papertyger

>>What exactly does anyone expect to change because of the tea parties?<<

I don’t know about anybody else, but I expect that we will be not ignored. When Congress has the phones ringing off the hook and their e-mail box is overflowing and critical letters to the editor actualy get published - AND THEN THEY VOTE AGAINST OUR WISHES - it is time to take the initiative.

As a Marine, you do understand what taking the initiative means.

Semper fi do or die


31 posted on 04/11/2009 4:04:09 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: RaceBannon

I agree it’s a tantrum. I think these tea parties will accomplish exactly nothing.


32 posted on 04/11/2009 4:04:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Yankee
I’m told the big fella is just “nuts over” Sullivan.

There, fixed it.

33 posted on 04/11/2009 4:05:44 AM PDT by Eddie01 (Telling it like it is since "revolver" was released)
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To: Zakeet
Mr. Sullivan,

Please take a look at the riots of last week's G-20. That is a tantrum.

On April 15th, there will a thousands of adults, protesting their governments involvement in the private sector business, you see we already have laws to deal with failed or failing businesses.

We had Bush spending and while we voiced our concerns about it, we didn't have 0bama’s massive trillion dollar debts being pushed through in the cover of darkness and against the will of the People. The taxes are coming Mr. Sullivan. Are you not listening to your representatives in Congress working out ways to tax things, fee things, and make it more difficult for business to operate. Have you missed the confiscation conversations of Oct. 2008? You see Mr. Sullivan we adults are trying to stop what is happening, before it happens. We are demanding temperance from our government. We are demanding that we not send debt to our grandchildren. Blessed is the man who leaves not an inheritance to his son, but to his grandson. We are protesting that debt is not our children's inheritance. Debt is our responsibility and we a demanding it be dealt with as our responsibility.

34 posted on 04/11/2009 4:06:50 AM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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Interesting. If I may say so, very gay. When there's not a real argument, he'll use a tu quoque os some other ad hominem.

It's ludicrous to think that we who are the most upset think we ran the country when Dubya was president. It's all the more ludicrous when one looks at most leftist protests and realizes that what they come down to is being upset that reality prevailed over their fantasies.

(1) Tell us what would be so bad about letting SOME major banks fail? Tell us what would be so bad about letting SOME major auto manufacturers fail? One thing, fer shur, is that if the way Congress contributed to the failures came out it might be bad for the socialists.

(2) The vapidity of this point becomes clear when the word "extremism" appears. Sullivan doesn't have somehting to say so he resorts to name-calling.

(3)First, no the citizen's of Boston were not illegal immigrants. Second the tea parties have nothing to do with illegal immigration, while Sullivan's raising of the point suggests that he gets paid by the word, and didn't have anything relevant to say.

(4)So the way too large debt shouldered during the Bush year's means we should shut up while the current crop of live-for-today politicians take on a debt which will crush our children and grand children? No point here, so Sullivan, filling space, takes a deserved swipe at RINOs.

So having raised a bunch of spectres which he can vlow away with arch and snide remarks, Sullivan then makes a generalization about people who partake in tea parties which hve not yet happened and walks away telling himself and those who mistake glibness for wit that he and they are just SEW much better than we.

Man, I need to get a ob like his. No work. Just write like a high school senior girl and collect your check.

35 posted on 04/11/2009 4:12:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: papertyger
Couldn’t agree more...

In what way? Sullivan makes several points. Do you agree with all? If so, why are you here on FR?

36 posted on 04/11/2009 4:16:49 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: SkyPilot

37 posted on 04/11/2009 4:17:10 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: NTHockey
As a Marine, you do understand what taking the initiative means.

As a Marine, do you understand what "taking a defended position" means?

38 posted on 04/11/2009 4:17:12 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Liberals are angry that the tea parties have gained traction and reflect poorly on Lord Zero. Worse yet is the fact that a lot of protesters will be legitimate democrats who are legitimately angry at the expansion of government.

ACORN trouble may actually work to our advantage with these middle of the road democrats.


39 posted on 04/11/2009 4:19:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: papertyger

And what exactly do you propose doing?

Or are you just a paper tiger?


40 posted on 04/11/2009 4:20:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Zakeet

Sullivan is ignorant of the history of this country. It was just such “adolescent tantrums” by groups like the Son’s of Liberty who took their disgust with King George’s heavy handed taxation to extremes and started the revolution that founded this republic. Note at the time these groups through out the colonies were having these adolescent tantrums people like Benjamin Franklin were trying to negotiate a settlement of our differences in Parliament and with the King all without success.


41 posted on 04/11/2009 4:26:03 AM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: Zakeet
Here, watch Leslie Marshall use the very same arguments on Cavuto.

Watch to the end. You'll Cavuto shaking with frustration.

42 posted on 04/11/2009 4:30:02 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: papertyger
I agree it’s a tantrum. I think these tea parties will accomplish exactly nothing.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

43 posted on 04/11/2009 4:30:19 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: papertyger; Nickname

If not a tea party, then what would be your solution? I’m sure we’re all open to anything that would help.


44 posted on 04/11/2009 4:31:33 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: Zakeet

I spent the better part of an hour earlier today scanning the various sites and blogs to try and understand what specifically the Fox-Pajamas tea parties are about. Having absorbed about as much of the literature as I can, I have to say I’m still befuddled.

Your ignorance is your problem. The Tea Parties are exactly what they are. Americans disgusted at having elected officials act and behave not like Americans. Americans disgusted that we have leaders who turn their backs on the Constitution and the founding principles of our Nation. Americans who today are saying that they are fast approaching the same point of no return that those who were Americans so long ago in Boston had reached when they had their Tea Party.
But maybe you are not that ignorant. Maybe you just are to afraid to see the truth. Maybe because you are part of the problem.


45 posted on 04/11/2009 4:34:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Nickname
HeÂ’s just being cute.
Sums it up for me.
46 posted on 04/11/2009 4:34:52 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: papertyger

Might I suggest that tea party folks are the folks Republicans broke their promises to and now they realize they need to take things into their own hands? Country before party.

The Republican party will never be rebuilt. There might be a Jeffersonian Party some day.


47 posted on 04/11/2009 4:34:56 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Obama's just another word for nothin' left to lose)
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To: Zakeet
Having absorbed about as much of the literature as I can, I have to say I'm still befuddled.

Good!! That will make it easier to purge socialists from office if they are confused people want to enforce the Constitution.
48 posted on 04/11/2009 4:37:34 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: 21twelve; afnamvet; AirForceMom; Alcibiades; alice_in_bubbaland; Amityschild; arbee4bush; ...

PINGING THE COMRADES.............tea party TANTRUMS?????


49 posted on 04/11/2009 4:47:35 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are soooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: 09Patriot; Baron OBeef Dip; BellStar; b4its2late; Blue Turtle; BootsOfEscaping; Brad's Gramma; ...

PINGING THE INFIDELS..........tea party TANTRUMS????


50 posted on 04/11/2009 4:49:13 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are soooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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