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The Tea Tantrum Movement
The Atlantic ^ | April 10, 2009 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 04/11/2009 3:21:50 AM PDT by Zakeet

I spent the better part of an hour earlier today scanning the various sites and blogs to try and understand what specifically the Fox-Pajamas tea parties are about. Having absorbed about as much of the literature as I can, I have to say I'm still befuddled.

Option 1: It's a protest of the bank bailouts orchestrated by Bush and now Obama. But surely these tea-partiers understand what would happen if we didn't bail the banks out. Are they advocating letting major banks fail? Or are they advocating a Krugman-style government take-over? No idea.

Option 2: It's a protest against tax hikes. But there have barely been any!

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Option 3: It's a protest against illegal immigration. Ok, so why the tea? Weren't all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?

Option 4: It's a protest against government debt. Yay! I will leave aside the somewhat awkward fact that Fox News and Pajamas Media barely covered the massive debt racked up by the Republicans during a period of economic growth.

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What it looks like to me is some kind of amorphous, generalized rage on the part of those who were used to running the country and now don't feel part of the culture at all. But the only word for that is: tantrum.

These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communist; democrats; economy; idiotalert; leftists; liberalhate; liberalnazis; liberals; nancyboy; socialist; spending; stuckonstupid; tantrum; taxes; teaparty; teatantrum
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To: broken_arrow1

While on one hand I applaud you (does that equal silence?) I back your taking away the privileges that have corrupted our leadership.

The way I read it you are correct that HR450 should be adhered to. It’s most unfortunate that we can not return to the gold standard after our politicians have indebted us for several generations on the promise of repayment.

We could empty out Ft. Knox right now and not equalize our financial debts. We’ve come to this through sacrificing manufacturing for money management. How’s that going for you?

A country, any country, needs a solid base where it can provide most everything it needs so long as mankind, by the lowest definition, adheres to warfare, deceptions and lies.

The United States has given the latter two options up by spreading it’s illusionary wealth too far and wide while allowing its manufacturing ability to wither.

We do not birth financial geniuses - we birth people of great or limited abilities. If we don’t get back to utilizing them (as opposed to kicking them to the curb) our nation will be subject to an idiocracy where the idiots have no choice but to resort to criminality or revolt. (insert Mel Brookes joke here).

Seriously though, we must re-alter the direction our country has been taking. We’ve seen for ourselves in the time we’ve lived that cranked up borrowed money doesn’t help the nation as a whole. It degrades it - and shames while most of that debt is carried by our ideological enemy China.

China’s in a weird position where it can’t reinvest the massive money because all the entities that used to manufacture no longer do so. We’ve totally f*cked up the natural order and have only ourselves to blame - allowing money managers to dictate national policy.

We must reorient ourselves to a manufacturing society immediately while the machinery is still here and usable. This ability forestalls all debt as it is what made America great in the first place. We have a load of ready citizens crying for hard work to do.


51 posted on 04/11/2009 4:51:11 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Zakeet
It's a protest against tax hikes. But there have barely been any!

If it were not so indicative of the level of stupidity held by far too many Americans, this would be funny.

Of course, the Eeeeevil power companies and "big" oil will get blamed for the rate and price hikes which come as a result of 'cap and trade' and carbon taxes levied to solve a problem we do not have.

And then there is the deficit run wild, part of it off the books.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

52 posted on 04/11/2009 4:51:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Zakeet

Andrew Sullivan is so not in!


53 posted on 04/11/2009 4:57:04 AM PDT by BellStar (Buy Gold/lead and head for the hills please God give us another chance!)
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To: Zakeet

The more publicity our tea parties get, the better.


54 posted on 04/11/2009 4:57:21 AM PDT by nobama08
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To: papertyger

I’ve got a feeling you wouldn’t be welcome at a tea party since we are expecting infiltrators from ACORN and Huffington Post. So don’t worry about it.


55 posted on 04/11/2009 5:01:33 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Zakeet

Poor Mr. Sullivan. It must be excruciating to go through life with a perfectly defective mind.


56 posted on 04/11/2009 5:02:56 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: papertyger

Then stay home. Plenty of us will be there, though. I doubt you will be missed.


57 posted on 04/11/2009 5:03:15 AM PDT by nobama08
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To: raybbr
If so, why are you here on FR?

Because eventually people just like you are going to figure out there is no silver bullet. This problem is a knot, and you ain't gonna untie it by protests, phone calls, or strongly worded letters.

The only way we are going to untie it is by finding people to actually put their hands on it. And they are not going to be the type of people that will put their nose up your bung-hole for you to grant them the opportunity to do so.

I just pray they are "founding fathers" and not Bolsheviks.

58 posted on 04/11/2009 5:03:57 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

This from a man who all but did Regan-MacNeil-like head spins over whether Trig Palin was really Sarah’s son.

You know, Andrew, for a (supposedly distinguished) product of Oxford and Harvard, there seem to be a lot of things you’re befuddled by. Now go have another constitutional-law argument with Hugh Hewitt (who teaches it). If the last one was anything to go by, it’s fun when you lose. Not that you ever actually admit losing, of course.


59 posted on 04/11/2009 5:08:04 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: papertyger
Because eventually people just like you are going to figure out there is no silver bullet. This problem is a knot, and you ain't gonna untie it by protests, phone calls, or strongly worded letters.

Are you one of those people that looks at a knot and says, "It's too complicated so I won't bother to try!"?

Untying a knot requires someplace to start. No one here is claiming that the tea parties are a silver bullet. But. It is a strand and a place to start. Again, I ask, why are you here? Simply to criticize? Are you planning on doing nothing? That's okay if you are. Just stop looking at the rest of us a doing something worthless. It's simply not true.

60 posted on 04/11/2009 5:10:32 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: cripplecreek
Or are you just a paper tiger?

Look at you! You made a funny! Aren't you so very clever? Who's our big boy?

61 posted on 04/11/2009 5:11:07 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Correction: not a punk; somebody’s bitch.


62 posted on 04/11/2009 5:13:10 AM PDT by tommyboy
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To: paulycy
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

And if it's in the wrong direction, it doesn't matter how many steps you're willing to take.

63 posted on 04/11/2009 5:15:50 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Randy Andy blew a gasket a few years back and there seems to be no hope of recovery. His phony flirtation with conservatism ended and continually proves what a leftist nut case he is, and always has been.


64 posted on 04/11/2009 5:17:42 AM PDT by Will88
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To: papertyger
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

And if it's in the wrong direction, it doesn't matter how many steps you're willing to take.

However, we have the benefit of walking in the footsteps of successful American patriots and geniuses. I'll bet on that route as a great direction to take.

Ya gotta start somewhere. I like this as a starting point very much.

65 posted on 04/11/2009 5:22:09 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: bgill
If not a tea party, then what would be your solution? I’m sure we’re all open to anything that would help.

I seriously doubt we're as open as you think. Be that as it may, you're asking me for an alternative to the tea parties wh no one can say what they will accomplish beside "being heard."

Hell, I "hear" panhandlers, and still say "no."

66 posted on 04/11/2009 5:24:51 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Sounds like Andrew ran out of KY jelly.


67 posted on 04/11/2009 5:27:01 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Zakeet

Taxed Enough Already = TEA

What’s hard to understand about that? I know - you didn’t read the name.

Here’s the name again: Taxed Enough Already = TEA


68 posted on 04/11/2009 5:27:36 AM PDT by RoadTest (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6)
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To: Puddleglum

At last!

Someone with a clue!


69 posted on 04/11/2009 5:29:26 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

1. We’re surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them.
2. So they’ve got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won’t get away this time!
3. Our Country won’t go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won’t be any AMERICA because some foreign soldier will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!
4. They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!
Lt. Gen Lewis Burwell Puller, USMC

Good night Chesty, wherever you are.


70 posted on 04/11/2009 5:32:18 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Zakeet

I’m going to a party to see what exactly is being protested. I think tantrum is off the mark as a descriptive and prefer pop off valve.

My fear is that once the pressure is released by the tea party pop off valves, the satisfaction gained will be adequate to end the desire for sustained in the streets opposition. I fear a Been There, Done That mentality just 90 days into a four year term.


71 posted on 04/11/2009 5:33:06 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: papertyger
Hell, I "hear" panhandlers, and still say "no."

Good, keep saying NO. Are you going to say NO to your tax collector? Are you going to say NO to the stupid laws that the Congress keeps passing to take away your rights--simple rights like being able to live free and without restriction? Go ahead and say No to the tea parties. We will be out in force to say NO to the right people...the ones who are passing laws that are saying NO to our freedoms that our forefathers spilt blood and guts to bestow on us and to those that keep spending our money without asking our permission.

72 posted on 04/11/2009 5:34:37 AM PDT by arbee4bush (RIP Tony Snow)
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To: antisocial

When you quit “feeling” and start “thinking” drop me a line.


73 posted on 04/11/2009 5:34:49 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: nobama08

Oh, you can bet I’ll be glued to FR that day.


74 posted on 04/11/2009 5:37:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Zakeet

Mandy Sullivan has her frilly panties in a twist.


75 posted on 04/11/2009 5:38:35 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“...Weren’t all the original tea-partiers illegal immigrants?”

Hello? are you there Sullivan? How can you be an illegal immigrant in your own country you idiot.


76 posted on 04/11/2009 5:39:18 AM PDT by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die; Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death)
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To: paulycy
Exactly. The tea parties aren't an end in themselves. What they will do is get like minded Americans together. And they will say to themselves "I am not alone."

And that greatly concerns the Statists of both stripes in D.C. What they want is for us to shut up and pay the tax.

They will say that our numbers aren't great, but remember that only 14% of the colonial population was involved with the Revolution at any given time.

It's not a big deal to get the illegal immigrant rent a mob to show up. What is a big deal is to get people who actually pay taxes and foot the bill to show up. And we will network with each other. And we will encourage one another. And the numbers will grow. And it will frighten the statist.

"They say, sir, that we are weak..."

77 posted on 04/11/2009 5:40:01 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: raybbr

So tell me what you think you’re “starting.”


78 posted on 04/11/2009 5:41:24 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

......The only way we are going to untie it......

This presumes it can be untied. It cannot. The election was won by marxists who are going hell over heels to bring their destructive change as rapidly as possible. There may be mediation in 2010 but I wouldn’t count on it and even so, the socialist genii can’t be put back in the lamp.

Tea parties will be effective only if there are contacts made that will form the revolution.


79 posted on 04/11/2009 5:44:41 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . John Galt hell !...... where is Francisco dÂ’Anconia)
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To: paulycy
...we have the benefit of walking in the footsteps of successful American patriots and geniuses. I'll bet on that route as a great direction to take.

And I'm willing to bet if it leads to the same place they went the ones that drop away will be turning in the ones that don't.

80 posted on 04/11/2009 5:48:41 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I find you insipid and boring. Bugger off and leave us to our business.


81 posted on 04/11/2009 5:49:08 AM PDT by Scarpetta (e pluribus victim)
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To: papertyger
I agree it’s a tantrum. I think these tea parties will accomplish exactly nothing.

I think the opposite.

I believe it will be a chance for people to see there are many more who think just like they do...these are people whose opinions are routinely ignored by the MSM and have begun to think they have no voice.

They'll have one on April 15th and we'll get to see how well or badly they put it to use.

It sure beats the crap out of doing nothing!

82 posted on 04/11/2009 5:54:03 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: papertyger
And I'm willing to bet if it leads to the same place they went the ones that drop away will be turning in the ones that don't.

Some, maybe, but on the whole I'd take that bet. It takes a *lot* to get conservatives riled up. But once they are, get out of the way. Something good is going to happen one way or another.

83 posted on 04/11/2009 5:54:11 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: bert
My fear is that once the pressure is released by the tea party pop off valves,

bingo. It breaks my heart to see so much invested in a glorified "bitch session."

You'd think anyone who is a professional manager would recognize what's going on. I will admit though... I'm very intrigued with who is organizing it.

84 posted on 04/11/2009 6:00:20 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: NTHockey
“Taxation without representation is tyranny.”

Somewhat irrelevant to the discussion, but I have a great anecdote that illustrates your point.

I had to file non-resident taxes in Maryland this year (I don't, and would never, live there). I live in a state that has fairly low tax rates.

Maryland has a special 1.4% tax that they charge to non-residents. I have to pay a HIGHER rate than people who live in Maryland, and I can never vote or campaign against it, because I don't live there. "Taxation without representation" indeed.

On top of that, my state gives a tax credit for taxes paid in other states, but pro-rates it so that it's not a dollar for dollar credit. To sum it all up - I pay a higher rate in another state that I chose not to live in because I disagree with their tax and social policies, I pay an additional tax because I can't vote against it, then my own state screws me for having had the misfortune to have worked outside their boundaries.

What's not to love about a system like that? Andrew Sullivan has his head up his ass all the way to his toes, but I'm sure important people like him can't be bothered with trivial things like facts when they're making political points.

85 posted on 04/11/2009 6:01:38 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: NTHockey

“Poor Andrew just doesn’t get it, does he?”

After looking at post #11, I would have to disagree with your statement.


86 posted on 04/11/2009 6:02:31 AM PDT by bricklayer
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To: arbee4bush
We will be out in force to say NO to the right people...

I doubt that very seriously.

87 posted on 04/11/2009 6:03:18 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Couldn’t agree more...

So you just think people should shut up and not protest the biggest expansion of government and government power in the history of our great Republic?

88 posted on 04/11/2009 6:03:58 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Yankee
It's high time that we purged our ranks of fifth-columnist poseurs like Sullivan who want to hijack and subvert the conservative movement.

I don't think anyone considers Sullivan part of the conservative movement anymore. Well except maybe the MSM, when they need a token conservative to bash conservatives.

89 posted on 04/11/2009 6:06:40 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Scarpetta

no


90 posted on 04/11/2009 6:07:00 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: capt. norm
It sure beats the crap out of doing nothing!

That is where you are wrong. Doing something ineffectual IS doing nothing.

91 posted on 04/11/2009 6:11:16 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: NTHockey
“The reason for the tea parties has not changed in over 230 years - “Taxation without representation is tyranny.”

I'm convinced that we have come full circle in our 230 year existence. We have “evolved” into a society in which an ever approaching majority of citizens will have “representation WITHOUT taxation.” The primary goal of this endeavor is to have enough slaves on the government plantation to ensure electoral victories. This will be the lasting legacy of the 0 man's presidency. A majority of Americans attached to the government tet. This kind of tyranny is insidious because it is in many respects being taken on freely and will be very hard to stop once implemented because you'll have to convince someone who's not paying taxes that it's in their best interest to do so.

As to Andrew Sullivan, he's nothing more than a pathetic, self-loathing homo catcher.

92 posted on 04/11/2009 6:12:52 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: Zakeet

Is this a serious attempt to write an article? It doesn’t strike me as such. It simply denigrates the movement because the movement lacks a single theme.


93 posted on 04/11/2009 6:15:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: tommyboy
Correction: not a punk; somebody’s bitch.
Originally the word "punk" meant a young male homosexual whore.
94 posted on 04/11/2009 6:18:26 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: papertyger
It sure beats the crap out of doing nothing!

That is where you are wrong. Doing something ineffectual IS doing nothing.

To quote Woody Allen:

"Eighty percent of success is showing up.".

Just showing up is already accomplishing something, even if that's ALL it accomplishes. Rubbing shoulders with neighbors and other fellow citizens that share your thoughts on the subject.

They need to see and feel the strength of their own numbers.

The fact that the liberals, daily kos, DU and the mainstream media are trying to ignore it or play it down is enough to convince me that it's the right thing to do.

I would like to hear your plan and what you are going to do about it, if anything but gripe about it.

95 posted on 04/11/2009 6:18:45 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: paulycy
It takes a *lot* to get conservatives riled up. But once they are, get out of the way. Something good is going to happen one way or another.

I could share your optimism if it were not for one thing: abortion.

Constitutionalists have been falling for the rope-a-dope on that one for forty years. I see no reason to believe they've wised up any, now. We're further away now than when we started.

96 posted on 04/11/2009 6:19:01 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: NewRomeTacitus
to try and understand
I would expect better grammar from a British fag.
97 posted on 04/11/2009 6:21:54 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (quem deus vult perdere prius dementat)
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To: papertyger
Constitutionalists have been falling for the rope-a-dope on that one for forty years. I see no reason to believe they've wised up any, now. We're further away now than when we started.

Constitutionally (IANAL) this is a tough one because of the SCOTUS acceptance of the whole "penumbra" argument. Once precedence is made it is very difficult to overturn it.

But this is another journey of a thousand miles, isn't it, and conservatives haven't given up. That, in itself, is encouraging.

98 posted on 04/11/2009 6:25:24 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: Always Right
So you just think people should shut up and not protest the biggest expansion of government and government power in the history of our great Republic?

No, I think they should quit useless foolishness and ignored communication.

Would you rather have news coverage of your tea party, or mandate the office of every elected representative maintain an internet forum with user evaluations of that offices responsiveness?

99 posted on 04/11/2009 6:38:09 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: RU88
We have “evolved” into a society in which an ever approaching majority of citizens will have “representation WITHOUT taxation.”

We will never fix our problems without solving this one.

100 posted on 04/11/2009 6:43:14 AM PDT by papertyger
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