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Man owes big in Michigan for child support for 14 (14 kids with 13 different women)
Chicago Tribune ^

Posted on 04/11/2009 11:10:48 AM PDT by Chet 99

FLINT, Mich. - A 42-year-old man who authorities say fathered 14 children with 13 different women in Genesee County and owes more than $530,000 in child support has been jailed for dodging payments.

Thomas Frazier was ordered jailed Thursday and could spend 90 days behind bars if he doesn't pay $27,900, The Flint Journal reported. Court records say he hasn't made payments in the child support cases in six years.

Frazier said he's been saddled with debt for children he claims aren't all his. The former Flint-area man said it's unrealistic for authorities to expect him to pay child support that at one point was $3,000 a month.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: childsupport; frazier

1 posted on 04/11/2009 11:10:48 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

He must be a smooth talker because I don’t see how someone who fathered so many kids can have much money in Flint...


2 posted on 04/11/2009 11:13:24 AM PDT by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: Chet 99

Guy sounds like a total loss to society.

But it is ironic that payments to ex-wives and girl friends are one of the very few debts you can be jailed for.


3 posted on 04/11/2009 11:13:27 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Chet 99

How odes a POS like this manage to get 13 women to procreate with him? WTF-—Over...


4 posted on 04/11/2009 11:13:31 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"How does a POS like this manage to get 13 women to procreate with him?"

A lot of women are attracted to guys like that.

5 posted on 04/11/2009 11:15:51 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

How odes a POS like this manage to get 13 women to procreate with him?

________________

This is not unusual. Apparently you haven’t watched the Maury Povich program very often.


6 posted on 04/11/2009 11:15:52 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: gondramB
"payments to ex-wives and girl friends are one of the very few debts you can be jailed for"

Plus, based on statistics, it's probable that at least four of the kids aren't his.

7 posted on 04/11/2009 11:17:53 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: Chet 99
Frazier said he's been saddled with debt for children he claims aren't all his.

That's easy enough to find out.

9 posted on 04/11/2009 11:23:15 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: digger48

“Last count I heard, he’d impregnated 9 lonely chubby little white girls.”

CLASSIC!....Maurey Povich has made a good living by putting these types of folks on TV.


10 posted on 04/11/2009 11:24:51 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Chet 99

11 posted on 04/11/2009 11:25:40 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Chet 99
One of my employees recently added a fifth child to his brood. Three different mothers, err I mean, cultural correct "baby mommas"

He recently asked me for raise so he could afford the child support payments.

I told him you should have keep your d*** in your pants and NO you aren't getting a raise because you can't control your pecker

I think many people who are regular married people with a couple of kids would be shocked at the number of children born out of wedlock and on some sort of government handout. It's a very high percent, like near 40 % of single moms we are supporting

12 posted on 04/11/2009 11:29:04 AM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: Chet 99

Who says polygamy isn’t legal? We have serial polygamy happening all the time.


13 posted on 04/11/2009 11:34:28 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Tu ne cede malis.)
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To: Popman

For every out of wedlock born child there are TWO irresponsible people.


14 posted on 04/11/2009 11:36:52 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Chet 99

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/04/thomas_frazier_father_of_14_ch.html
“”Fourteen children by 13 different women in Genesee County and more than $530,000 in unpaid child support.

Even in a county with $700 million in uncollected child support, Thomas Frazier may hold the unenviable title of biggest deadbeat dad.

After years of dodging support payments, Frazier was thrown in jail this week and given the choice of doing 90 days or coming up with about $28,000.

“This guy gives fathers a bad name,” said Genesee County Friend of the Court Jack Battles.

Before leaving the Flint area in 2002, Frazier amassed court cases for 14 children born since 1989 and has not paid any money on any of his Genesee County child support cases in at least the past six years, according to court records.

Frazier, 42, portrays himself as the victim.

The victim of a system that he says saddled him with debt for children he claims aren’t all his and the victim of a poor upbringing that he said caused him to seek affection from older women.

“I tried to find someone who would love me for me,” said Frazier, who believes he may have fathered his first child at age 15.

Authorities say Frazier is a serial womanizer who bounces from state to state and hasn’t paid child support in years.

Frazier owes Talisha Tyler about $40,000 for a 14-year-old daughter. Tyler said he has never even bought so much as a diaper.

“Thomas has never been involved in her life — period,” said Tyler.

A Genesee County judge on Thursday ordered Frazier to spend 90 days in jail unless he comes up with $4,100 for Tyler.

Even if he comes up with that money, the judge ordered him to spend 90 days in jail on another case. On top of that, the judge gave him 45 days jail on six other cases.

In all, Frazier is looking at three months in jail unless he comes up with at least $27,900.

Tyler would just as soon see him go to prison for much longer.

“He’s a fast talker,” she said. “He’s not going to pay it.”

Frazier doesn’t dispute that he owes a sizable amount, but said it was unrealistic for the county to expect him to pay so much support.

“At one point, I owed like $3,000 (a month),” he said. “Nobody makes that much.”

He said he believes in his hear that only three of the children — two daughters and a son — are actually his.

The rest, he says, were born of women he may have slept with but who lied and claimed he was the father, giving the court false addresses for Frazier so that he could never show up to contest paternity.

Local officials, however, say Frazier has a story for everything.

In October, Friend of the Court officials said Frazier gave them a false Social Security number and tried to convince investigators he was someone else.

He remained under the radar until late last month when he got pulled over in Iowa for a broken taillight on his Mercedes Benz.

In his pocket, police found $5,000 in cash and plane tickets to Florida.

Frazier said he is unemployed and local officials said they do not know what he does for a living.

Frazier said he was actually on his way back to Flint and planned to use the $5,000 as a good faith payment on his child support.

The cop tossed him in jail on child support warrants and then had him delivered Wednesday to the Genesee County Jail.

Frazier says he “messed up” and wants to take care of his mistakes, but hopes the Friend of the Court will knock down his bill to a more manageable $200,000 and set him free.

“There’s not a lot I can do in jail,” Frazier said.

Frazier’s plan for freedom won’t get a lot of support from the Friend of the Court.

“We will seek prison,” said Battles, who says he’s heard a litany of excuses from Frazier.

Battles said he’s willing to work with Frazier but said it’s going to take a lot more than $5,000.

“It will take six digits,” said Battles.

His current jail term aside, Frazier is also looking at further legal woes for his probation violation cases.

Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton is not in a forgiving mood, noting that Frazier was rolling around in Mercedes Benz with thousands of dollars and plane tickets at the same time he wasn’t paying his child support.

“Shame on him for abandoning his children while he lives ‘The Life of Riley,’” said Leyton.

Frazier, who has already spent five years on probation for attempted non support of a child, does have one piece of advice for his children.

“Use a condom,” he said. “You don’t want to end up like your dad.”””


15 posted on 04/11/2009 11:44:50 AM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Lorianne
For every out of wedlock born child there are TWO irresponsible people.

No argument here, but the mothers tend to bear the burden and not hold the fathers accountable because in certain American cultures it is very acceptable for the "state" to bear that burden so the "home boys" can be "players" and continue putting notches on their belts.

16 posted on 04/11/2009 11:50:12 AM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: Popman

Perhaps the taxpayers should start holding BOTH parents responsible, no?


17 posted on 04/11/2009 12:10:37 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Your guess is as good as mine. I mean, if you tell a woman you already have 10 or more kids with 10 or more Mothers the first thing she is going to think is “I’ll be different”? Some women think they can change men, trust me ladies it won’t be different!


18 posted on 04/11/2009 12:20:14 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Chet 99

“Man owes big in Michigan for child support for 14”

Or...”Moron in Michigan”


19 posted on 04/11/2009 12:26:40 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: All

POS’s like this somehow manage to woo women hand over fist yet I can’t manage to keep one woman, what’s wrong with the world today...


20 posted on 04/11/2009 12:29:42 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Chet 99

Am I the only one wondering why a picture isn’t offered?
Or - as I imagine - probably unnecessary.


21 posted on 04/11/2009 12:30:52 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
broken taillight on his Mercedes Benz.

Driving a Benz....

L

22 posted on 04/11/2009 12:33:54 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Chet 99
...could spend 90 days behind bars if he doesn't pay $27,900...

Translation: they'll credit him $310 per day in jail. That's $113,150 a year. Take the deal!

23 posted on 04/11/2009 12:35:17 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Popman
No argument here, but the mothers tend to bear the burden and not hold the fathers accountable because in certain American cultures it is very acceptable for the "state" to bear that burden so the "home boys" can be "players" and continue putting notches on their belts.

If unmarried women could not get money from either the state (in the form of welfare) nor from the "baby daddy" (in the form of child support), then perhaps they would be more selective in who they allowed to impregnate them.

25 posted on 04/11/2009 12:46:55 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Popman

Keep in mind that, I am, as a married black woman with two legitimate children, also supporting these children. There is no need to speak about culture, because there are tons of babies of every hue being born out of wedlock. I know this because I have been working in the healthcare field.


27 posted on 04/11/2009 12:53:54 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, BLACK, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: JimRed

I was just wondering if I was the only one that noticed that insult.


28 posted on 04/11/2009 12:55:13 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, BLACK, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: trumandogz

That looks like a surgical proceedure, all the sutures and such. Much more memorable to just take your knife and cut off the bottom 1/3 of the bag, then grab the stones and pull them out by the roots. They dont even bleed much that way. It does cure the problem though.


29 posted on 04/11/2009 12:56:56 PM PDT by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: Chet 99

The left/democratic party has been paying blacks to procreate, ignore responsibilities and avoid work for the past 50 years. Why should this story surprise anyone?


30 posted on 04/11/2009 1:09:55 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: brwnsuga
Keep in mind that, I am, as a married black woman with two legitimate children, also supporting these children.

I didn't mean to post something that would denigrate anybody. I know black families (like my neighbor) and people in my church and where I work who are responsible married parents with great kids who happen to be black or mixed race

Personally, it matters none to me what the color of a person skin is.

There is no need to speak about culture, because there are tons of babies of every hue being born out of wedlock.

I guess here is where we will agree to disagree, it is a cultural issue because the numbers don't lie.

You cannot deny there is a crisis in the black community with children born out of wedlock, somewhere around 70 % of the children are. I happen to work with two black guys (good guys) who between the two of them have 13 children born between 5 different women.

There is a growing crisis in the white community as well, where about 35 % of child are born out of wedlock.

Pretending the problem doesn't break along racial lines doesn't solve the problem, but I can certainly understand why you would be sensitive about it

31 posted on 04/11/2009 1:39:06 PM PDT by Popman (One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three is a Congress - John Adams)
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To: JimRed
consider editing your description to something accurate but less offensive.

OK...is this any less offensive? a black teenage gangsta wannabe, wearing a dewrag and barely able to drag himself down the street with pants down around his ankles, spending the days smokin pot while sprawled, and I do mean literally sprawled, across the porch steps of the low income rental houses where the lonely little white girls pay his way in life.

32 posted on 04/11/2009 1:50:43 PM PDT by digger48
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To: brwnsuga

All fixed. ;-)


33 posted on 04/11/2009 1:54:02 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: chris_bdba

You think he told any of these women about the previous ones????


34 posted on 04/11/2009 1:58:22 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: Chet 99

I don’t agree with prison for this asshat. There is no way that I want to see society to support his roof and 3 squares while forking out ‘entitlements’ for the mothers and children he is responsible for.

In cases like this... I could definately go for his working off the welfare bill and sterilization. If you have kids that you refuse to take care of, you should not be allowed to have anymore.

I will probably be flamed to he!! and back for that opinion, but I cannot help but feel that this should not be allowed to continue.


35 posted on 04/11/2009 2:07:12 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: digger48

Excellent rewrite!


36 posted on 04/11/2009 4:02:32 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Popman
You said: "I happen to work with two black guys (good guys) who between the two of them have 13 children born between 5 different women."

This subject was addressed by Ann Coulter in her newest book "Guilty", she is so correct on this issue as you have pointed out the same in your statement.

One point Ann missed: When the children born under these circumstances with no father (and a father who proceates with every women in the neighborhood), these children will most likely MARRY their own brother or sister, as they do not know who their fathers are. It will lead their culture into even more derangement.

37 posted on 04/11/2009 4:39:32 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: brwnsuga

This may not be entirely popular with women, but in my opinion this man owes no child support.

Reverse the roles to see. If each *woman* gave up their children for adoption, or abandoned those kids on the street, then they would owe no child support.

Well, that is essentially what the man in the subject of this thread has done. He hasn’t claimed any fatherhood role, and all of the moms agree that he has abandoned all of the children.


38 posted on 04/11/2009 6:56:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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