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If the US abandons Israel, will Russia fit the bill?
http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=2879 ^

Posted on 04/11/2009 2:32:33 PM PDT by kronos77

DEBKAfile’s Washington sources report that the Obama administration is on the threshold of a major rapprochement with Tehran, a reversal of US policy dramatic enough to block out international sanctions. Iran will be allowed to keep its nuclear program, including military elements and enriched uranium stocks, up to the point of actually assembling a weapon. [..]

The US president is willing to ditch Israel as a friend. This will be brought home to Jerusalem when he makes his big speech on April 7 appealing for a grand US-Muslim global reconciliation. The US president is preparing to tie a Palestinian-Israeli settlement - on Washington’s terms - to such unrelated issues as Afghanistan and Pakistan as the currency for purchasing Muslim and Arab backing for accommodations of these outstanding terrorist fronts.

Scary stuff.

Israel may decide to say “no” to a sovereign Palestine and “no” to giving up the Golan, in which case Obama’s entire Muslim outreach crashes. He will have no choice but to go to the mat with Israel. In fact the more he beats up on Israel, the better his relations with Iran will be. He needs Iran to be a partner, not an enemy. He needs Iran to help in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama will have to convince Saudi Arabia and Egypt that such a rapproachment is good for them, too. That leaves Israel out in the cold.

It would not be the first time that Israel was abandoned by its patron.

During WWI, Britain had need of the Jews and so issued the Balfour Declaration in favour of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The San Remo conference in 1920 awarded Palestine and TransJordan to Israel.

(Excerpt) Read more at analyst-network.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: china; cuba; debka; hugochavez; iram; iran; israel; kgbputin; russia; russiachina; russiachinaalliance; sovietunion

1 posted on 04/11/2009 2:32:33 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77
Wonder what Rahm Emanuel will say when his relatives in his home country get vaporized by the Iranians...

"Shoulda voted for the WASP"?

2 posted on 04/11/2009 2:40:09 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: kronos77

In his arrogant mind,unless he really is a muslim,he thinks he can bring peace because he is so loved by the world.


3 posted on 04/11/2009 2:40:09 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: kronos77

It is embarrassing for me(american) to admit this, but israel might actually be better off with russia as their main ally rather than america. Russia doesn’t pussey-foot around with PC bullshit.


4 posted on 04/11/2009 2:43:11 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: kronos77
Well the Left Liberals will get what they wanted as they voted for this.
5 posted on 04/11/2009 2:53:06 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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To: kronos77

Debka? Really?


6 posted on 04/11/2009 3:03:20 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: kronos77
[2009] Russia, China plan new joint military exercises

By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009

WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.

The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.

The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."

http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'
http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html

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Photos are from the 2008 "Victory Day" parade in Moscow:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22russia%22%22parade%22%222008%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2
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Venezuela Set to Develop Nuclear Power With Russia
September 29, 2008
CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Sunday that Russia will help Venezuela develop nuclear energy — a move likely to raise U.S. concerns over increasingly close cooperation between Caracas and Moscow.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429441,00.html
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Venezuela's Chavez welcomes Russian warships
Nov 25, 2008
LA GUAIRA, Venezuela – Russian warships arrived off Venezuela's coast Tuesday in a show of strength aimed at the United States as Moscow seeks to expand its influence in Latin America. The deployment is the first of its kind in the Caribbean since the Cold War and was timed to coincide with President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Caracas — the first ever by a Russian president.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Venezuela%27s+Chavez+welcomes+Russian+warships%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2

More Yahoo search results for Russia and Venezuela connections:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu_X30pZJCJEAfCtXNyoA?p=Russia+Venezuela+bombers+tanks+arms&y=Search&fr=404_news
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Russian nuclear bombers in Cuba?
July 23, 2008

The media has been abuzz today at the prospect of Russian nuclear bombers being stationed in Cuba if the US goes ahead with plans for missile defense bases in Eastern Europe.

The story has riled the US enough that a US general has been wheeled out to tell the world’s press that any Russian attempt to build another nuclear base in Cuba would cross US “red line”.

The story broke earlier this week, when Russian newspaper Izvestia quoted an un-named source from within the Russian military. He told the Russian daily:

“While they are deploying the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic bombers will already be landing in Cuba.”

The quote hasn’t been independently confirmed, but the Russian Defense Ministry added fuel to the fire when they refused to comment on the story.

The prospect of Russian nuclear forces being stationed in Cuba - which is, after all, only 90 miles from the US coast - would bring back some rather unpleasant memories for the US of the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, where the Soviet Union under Nikita Kruschev launched an audacious and foolhardy bid to station nuclear missiles on the Caribbean island.

http://www.siberianlight.net/2008/07/23/russian-nuclear-bombers-cuba/
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

Posted on Friday, April 03, 2009 8:10:15 AM EDT by ETL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2221410/posts

7 posted on 04/11/2009 3:08:54 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: kronos77

77% of American Jews (3% of the electorate) who voted supported Obama. Obama’s not about to do too much alienation of that support which was second only in strength to his black support. That’s why there was a Seder service for Passover at the White House on Thursday night.

ussia is highly unlikely to take the US’s place in supporting Israel, there is still a tremendous amount of anti-semetism in Russia and many Russian born Israelis are atheists who are Jewish in culture only, having grown up in the communist Soviet Union.
The conservative, religous parties in Israel do not trust them.


8 posted on 04/11/2009 3:09:10 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: kronos77

Who would do that... abandon Israel? Our Traitor-in-Chief? Surely you jest.


9 posted on 04/11/2009 3:13:24 PM PDT by ataDude (My incredulity has already turned into disillusionment and is now turning into hatred.)
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To: kronos77

Israel needs to discover a huge oil strike.


10 posted on 04/11/2009 3:14:54 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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To: red irish

Well, he does make obeisance to the Saracen king.


11 posted on 04/11/2009 3:17:27 PM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: kronos77
This will be brought home to Jerusalem when he makes his big speech on April 7 appealing for a grand US-Muslim global reconciliation.

While I would put nothing past Obama, April 7 has come and gone. What did policy analysts from Israel and the US think of Obama's speech and what it means for US-Israeli relations?
12 posted on 04/11/2009 3:18:01 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: kronos77

That one action, alone, would bankrupt his “political capital” account.

Then the things start to move more rapidly.


13 posted on 04/11/2009 3:20:37 PM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: kronos77

I fear for our nation. I take the Bible seriously...”I will bless those who bless Israel, and I will curse those who curse Israel”. I’m afraid a dark time will befall our land, a dark time like none of us has ever seen.


14 posted on 04/11/2009 3:24:56 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: mamelukesabre

Uhh....Russia is also the country which is providing Iran with nuclear technology, thereby creating a life-and-death crisis for Israel (and others). Russia for decades has armed Muzzie dictators and terrorists, like Saddam Hussein, Nasser, etc. Don’t look for anything positive from the barbarous, perennially troublemaking goon nation of Russia.


15 posted on 04/11/2009 3:28:18 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

And what should anyone look for from america? Anyone besides the king of saudi arabia I mean?


16 posted on 04/11/2009 3:39:15 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Under Hussein 0bama, America has become unreliable, but it never had a history of centuries of engaging in gratuitous interference and violence against more civilized countries, as Russia does.


17 posted on 04/11/2009 3:42:18 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: mamelukesabre

They will be better off with G-d as their only ally—that is what will happen. This country will be judged because of it. KJV-R (Webster) Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.


18 posted on 04/11/2009 3:42:40 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: ETL
Can you summarize in a couple of sentences, in your own words, what your point is.

Or, perhaps, I'm asking too much?

19 posted on 04/11/2009 4:29:36 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Russia bad. America good.


20 posted on 04/11/2009 4:34:51 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Could you summarize your view of Putin?


21 posted on 04/11/2009 4:35:44 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: kronos77

Here we go again. Of course Obama will betray Israel.

Bush also betrayed Israel many times with his endless demands to shut up and take it as the Muslims kept attacking Israel.

Of course the Clintons were big time Muslim lovers with their ol bed time pal Yasser Arafat, who spent many a night in the white house as a honored guest.

They too always have been and remain Jew haters.

Russia indeed might be a better friend than America has been.

larry


22 posted on 04/11/2009 5:06:17 PM PDT by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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To: mamelukesabre

There is no way that Russia will be Israel’s main ally.


23 posted on 04/11/2009 5:12:49 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: MuttTheHoople

...”I will bless those who bless Israel, and I will curse those who curse Israel”.

It will be “G*d damn America”, but not for the reasons given by Jeremiah Wright. The Lord’s covenants are eternal.


24 posted on 04/11/2009 5:16:30 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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To: kronos77

New front for garbage from Debka?


25 posted on 04/11/2009 5:30:20 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: ETL
Could you summarize your view of Putin?

Well, that would be a complete waste of time on my part - in view of your previous post(s) above in this thread.

Mkay.

26 posted on 04/11/2009 6:11:25 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: ETL; LjubivojeRadosavljevic
Could you summarize your view of Putin?

something like this:

ALL HAIL GREAT PUTIN! HAIL THE HOLY RODINA!

27 posted on 04/11/2009 8:01:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: kronos77

Consider the source.....

Israel sells high tech weapons to Russia and China all of the time. Come to think of it, so do we. Obama will probably sell all sorts of things to them.


28 posted on 04/11/2009 10:27:28 PM PDT by Thunder90
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29 posted on 04/12/2009 3:40:47 PM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Rep. Bobby Rush)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Funny thing....
Russians have their Rodina,
Americans don't have theirs... anymore... well after the elections....

Funny thing those elections....
Regular opportunity to ruin your own country!

30 posted on 04/12/2009 3:48:07 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Israel might actually be better off with russia as their main ally rather than america. Russia doesn’t pussey-foot around with PC bullshit.

Sadly, if I were Israeli, I would be starting to think along the same lines.

31 posted on 04/12/2009 3:58:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: kronos77
Russia is run by people who are unrepentant for their lifelong service to Soviet Communism. Putin's father was NKVD. His grandfather was Lenin's food taster. Putin was fed communism within his mother's milk!

Russians who are loyal to the Chekist Putin are traitors to their own people, just like the vermin Putin himself and all his apologists.

32 posted on 04/12/2009 3:58:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ETL
I like the pictures of the "Victory Day Parade." Just one question especially with the last picture: Where are the spectators?
33 posted on 04/12/2009 4:01:31 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: jamese777
77% of American Jews (3% of the electorate) who voted supported Obama. Obama’s not about to do too much alienation of that support

Not really. Liberal American Jews don't much care about Israel. They have made their choices and they have chosen to assimilate here and enjoy American peace and prosperity.

34 posted on 04/12/2009 4:06:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mamelukesabre

You may be right. Under the Czars, the Russians were a protector of the Christians in or near Jerusalem.


35 posted on 04/12/2009 5:05:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: kronos77
It would not be the first time that Israel was abandoned by its patron.

And the British Empire collapsed almost immediately thereafter.

Shalom.

36 posted on 04/13/2009 6:20:01 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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