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Obama creates infighting at Notre Dame
Star Tribune ^ | April 11, 2009 | Dirk JOHNSON,

Posted on 04/12/2009 2:03:59 PM PDT by NYer

SOUTH BEND, IND.

As church bells pealed, Claire Gillen, a Notre Dame freshman, stood on the stone steps of the Basilica of the Sacred Heart, accusing this fabled Roman Catholic institution of sin and sacrilege.

"It's a scandal," said Gillen, voicing outrage over the university's invitation to President Obama, a supporter of abortion rights, to deliver the commencement address here on May 17.

Some alumni have called the campus, saying they have thrown away their Fighting Irish sweatshirts in disgust. The local bishop, John D'Arcy, has vowed to boycott the graduation ceremony. A visiting high school senior, Halley Chavey, who said she was thrilled just weeks ago to be accepted for admission, said she might reject the offer because the university is hosting "the most pro-abortion president we've ever had."

But for all the high-pitched indignation, the talk among students and faculty on this gothic campus of towering oaks and sculpted saints seems to reveal a strikingly upbeat mood about Obama's visit.

"Most of us are like, 'Wow, the president of the United States is coming,'" said Brett Ensor, a Texas native who belongs to the Knights of Columbus, opposes abortion and voted for the Republican candidate, Sen. John McCain. "What college wouldn't want Obama to come? This is a tremendous honor for us."

Threatened protests of the president's visit -- some conservative groups on campus have promised to stage demonstrations -- have left liberal students, like Max Young, cringing over the portrayal of Notre Dame as insulated and narrow-minded.

"If you can't speak openly at Notre Dame, who's going to want to come here?" said Young, a supporter of abortion rights, who noted that Catholic teaching endorses many of Obama's views, especially when it comes to aiding the poor and immigrants. "President Obama is one of us. He's on our side."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: bhoabortion; ndu; obama

1 posted on 04/12/2009 2:03:59 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

About 97 percent of seniors who have sent letters to the school newspaper, The Observer, support Obama as the commencement speaker, said the editor, Jenn Metz. Letters from alumni, however, have overwhelming opposed his appearance.

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2 posted on 04/12/2009 2:05:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

“About 97 percent of seniors who have sent letters to the school newspaper, The Observer, support Obama as the commencement speaker, said the editor, Jenn Metz. Letters from alumni, however, have overwhelming opposed his appearance.”

Once again proving most college students are stupid.


3 posted on 04/12/2009 2:07:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Good. There needs to be more infighting with the real educated Christians and the posers that use the Christian Institutions for the spread of their propaganda.


4 posted on 04/12/2009 2:07:59 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: NYer
"Most of us are like, 'Wow, the president of the United States is coming,'" said Brett Ensor, a Texas native who belongs to the Knights of Columbus, opposes abortion and voted for the Republican candidate, Sen. John McCain. "What college wouldn't want Obama to come? This is a tremendous honor for us."

Uh, huh.

5 posted on 04/12/2009 2:22:08 PM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: NYer
Obama is unquestionably the most divisive political figure of our time.
6 posted on 04/12/2009 2:22:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Bow? What bow? I didn't bow.)
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To: NYer
Threatened protests of the president's visit -- some conservative groups on campus have promised to stage demonstrations -- have left liberal students, like Max Young, cringing over the portrayal of Notre Dame as insulated and narrow-minded.

"If you can't speak openly at Notre Dame, who's going to want to come here?" said Young, a supporter of abortion rights, who noted that Catholic teaching endorses many of Obama's views, especially when it comes to aiding the poor and immigrants. "President Obama is one of us. He's on our side."

Max seems to have glommed onto Cardinal Bernadin's 'Seamless Garment' notion, which has screwed up the Catholic Church in America for over 25 years. That's the only way a Catholic would think he could possibly be pro-abortion, and still be a good Catholic, because he also supports the poor and the immigrants. Oh, and I'm guessing he's also against the death penalty and the Iraq War.

7 posted on 04/12/2009 2:26:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: vladimir998

bump


8 posted on 04/12/2009 2:27:22 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: NYer

“President Obama is one of us. He’s on our side.”

That’s only because you’re already born...


9 posted on 04/12/2009 2:28:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NYer
Max Young...cringes over the portrayal of Notre Dame as "insulated and narrow-minded."

Yeah, opposing the killing of unborn children first through fourth trimester is "insulated and narrow minded." How pathetic, Max.

10 posted on 04/12/2009 2:29:23 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: NYer
It seems like Barry is actually helping the Catholic Church!

Consider the following questions:

Exactly what does it mean to be Catholic? More specifically, what does the Catholic Church teach? And why?

Can I accept the Catholic Church's teachings I like and reject the ones I dislike? If so, how many and which ones?

Do I have to do my best to obey the key doctrines of Catholicism? All of them or only a few? How much disobedience is permissible?

Does disbelief and disobedience carry any consequences for me? In this life? In the afterlife?

These questions are essential! And in my opiinion, the more they are discussed and debated, the better!
11 posted on 04/12/2009 2:30:21 PM PDT by Zakeet (Thou Shalt Not Steal -- Unless thou art the government)
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To: NYer

I think you will find that younger Catholics, those who are college age now, and especially those who went to public schools before NDU are sympathetic to Obama. Their indictrination was 12 years in the making.


12 posted on 04/12/2009 2:32:03 PM PDT by EDINVA ( A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: Zakeet

Yes, those are great questions. However, when Barry shows up and they give him awards and honors and lavish him with praise and 97% of the kids cheer for him, the bottom-line answer to all of those questions will be that Notre Dame (and, by implication, the American Catholic Church) no longer really cares about the evil of abortion.


13 posted on 04/12/2009 2:38:10 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: scott7278

I wonder if he actually said that. If he did I’d have to guess he has multiple personalities.


14 posted on 04/12/2009 2:42:07 PM PDT by pepperdog (The world has gone crazy.)
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To: vladimir998
Once again proving most college students are stupid.

No ... it only proves they are still immature in their life experience and thought development.

15 posted on 04/12/2009 2:47:26 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

No reason he shouldn’t divide Notre Dame the same way he divided America. As for the 97% figure, that just indicates the left is louder...something that 40 years of their tantrums has made painfully clear.


16 posted on 04/12/2009 2:48:02 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: BenLurkin
Obama is unquestionably the most divisive political figure of our time.

That has to be the statement of the day!

17 posted on 04/12/2009 2:48:40 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: EDINVA

I absoluely agree! This is one of the reasons why I now use the Baltimore Catechism to instruct my religious education students.


18 posted on 04/12/2009 2:52:46 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

This is not a popularity contest. It’s Spiritual Warfare.

“Anybody who has used or advocates using a contraceptive knows when life begins.”


19 posted on 04/12/2009 2:53:54 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (The Constitution & Bill of Rights stand as a whole. Remove any part & nullify the whole.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

The only good thing about 0 is him helping people by opening their eyes
and are rethinking or drifting toward God, that’s for sure.


20 posted on 04/12/2009 3:14:10 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: NYer

Perhaps the Holy Father should have the last word.


21 posted on 04/12/2009 3:14:14 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: NYer

Wonder if that punk Max Young is even a practicing Catholic??? Probably not....since he is PRO-CHILD KILLING.


22 posted on 04/12/2009 3:29:12 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: scott7278

Brett Ensor....you are choosing Prestige over TRUTH......NEVER a good pick, kid.


23 posted on 04/12/2009 3:30:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: tet68

What a great answer!


24 posted on 04/12/2009 3:31:06 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: vladimir998
More evidence of the need to raise the voting age to about 35.
25 posted on 04/12/2009 3:34:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: scott7278

I have been a third degree member of the Knights of Columbus, they are a fraud starting with the third degree initiation .

The Knights 4th Degree march around with Fuzzy Hats and huge swords intimating they fight for the Catholic Church.

In this issue the Knights should be in the forefront of keeping Secular abortionists out of the school and out of the Catholic Church.
To allow this Murderer, to talk Legitimizes, the horror he invokes in supporting Murdering American and Other Children especially in Partial Birth Abortion.

I can’t imagine a classless Churl being given this honor, regardless of what ND Seniors say.

Evidently they learned nothing in their 4 Years at the UNiversity.


26 posted on 04/12/2009 3:43:05 PM PDT by chatham
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To: SuziQ

I don’t think Max Young is identified as being a Catholic—he may be, but not all Notre Dame students are. The wording of the part about him is ambiguous—is he a “liberal” who is “left cringing” or is he a “left liberal” who is “cringing”? Perhaps he’s one of those who think the label “liberal” is not sufficiently left-wing on its own.


27 posted on 04/12/2009 4:02:10 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: chatham

The position of the Knights of Columbus towards abortion is clearly and unambiguously one of strong and consistent opposition.

The fact that the toad in question is a K of C member has no relevance to their position (and activities) in matters of abortion policy - just as the expressions of support for legalized abortion by isolated cleargy do not reflect the official position of the Vatican.

If you’re a third degree Knight and receive any publications from the order, you’d be aware of their opposition to abortion policy. That opposition does not however include the use of the ceremonial swords of 4th degree Knights on those they disagree with.


28 posted on 04/12/2009 4:05:27 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: NYer
"If you can't speak openly at Notre Dame, who's going to want to come here?" said Young, a supporter of abortion rights, who noted that Catholic teaching endorses many of Obama's views, especially when it comes to aiding the poor and immigrants. "President Obama is one of us. He's on our side."

Young is one of many heretics who believe that it is okay to murder babies as long as the authorities aid the poor and immigrants. It is okay to overlook such matters because they are not front and center political issues, just a small price to pay to help the poor and immigrants, ensure that you have a good job, and that you get your "bennies." But the Democrats have been supporting a culture of death for a long time.

The heretics do not realize that they can have someone in authority help the poor and immigrants while, at the same time, stopping murder of the unborn. Too many Democrats fail to stand united to produce candidates who supports their positions on the poor and immigrants, while protecting the very life of the unborn. The holocaust is becoming but a fraction compared to the mass murder of the unborn. Freely killing the young gives people the idea that they can take a "rain check" on an abortion.

Such acceptance of killing supports a culture of death making more "sense" to more and more people the notion that killing is good thing when applied to the old, infirm, and unborn. It can save a lot of money that can be used instead to treat the young, productive members of society. All you have to do is arbitrarily define when life begins, base medical care on that age of the people being treated, and follow the notion that such people are less than human, and therefore okay to dispatch at your convenience.

When will these heretics realize what they are doing to themselves and our country and repent? What will it take for them to field candidates that protect life?

29 posted on 04/12/2009 4:24:18 PM PDT by olezip
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To: EDINVA

“especially those who went to public schools “

Not so fast. The “Catholic” schools have been pushing liberation theology and situation ethics since the 60’s.

Proof: an Andrew Greeley as teacher and a Joe Biden as student. qed


30 posted on 04/12/2009 4:53:21 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: NYer

Keep FReeping Notre Dame.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=28#28

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=87#87

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=101#101

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2210995/posts?page=102#102

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2212664/posts?page=29#29

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2212664/posts?page=37#37


31 posted on 04/12/2009 5:28:02 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NTHockey

Do you have a source for that claim?


32 posted on 04/12/2009 5:29:04 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tet68
“President Obama is one of us. He’s on our side.”

Obviously the education isn't taking hold.

He's on our side? And what side would that be?

Destruction of the unborn? Loss of freedoms? Higher taxes?

33 posted on 04/12/2009 5:59:08 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: tet68

>>That’s only because you’re already born...<<

Even that doesn’t count in some people.
Remember the “Born Alive Act”?


34 posted on 04/12/2009 6:03:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
“President Obama is one of us. He’s on our side.”

I can't let this go...

We just finished the Triduum, where we know Our Dear Lord suffered horribly through the scourging, crucifixion, and slow painful death for the salvation of all mankind.

Obama spits in the face of God with his policies of the unborn and defenseless, and these people have the nerve to say Obama's one of us?!!!

In other words they too spit in the face of God, and to declare their allegiance to Obambi.

Barry knows the rift that he's creating, but will continue to plan on coming to the commencement. My Lord.

35 posted on 04/12/2009 6:09:49 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

Oh don’t you know?
He died for our sins. We can do whatever we want. /s/

I just got into a tiff with a FReeper about how we should not enable sinners and how standing firm to the consequences of sin, discourages that sin.

She told me I was out of control. Go figure.


36 posted on 04/12/2009 6:26:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
I am always reminded the private revelation Our Blessed Virgin Mary gave Lucia at Fatima, when asked how many people will go to hell?

Our Blessed Mother says it will be like "snowflakes in a blizzard."

That certainly keeps me focused. Let us be "out of control". We sure want to get to Heaven.

37 posted on 04/12/2009 6:32:10 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

Amen!!!!


38 posted on 04/12/2009 6:33:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
Happy Easter.

The Lord has Risen!

39 posted on 04/12/2009 6:35:47 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Northern Yankee

And to you, my FRiend!
I love Easter even more than Christmas!!! I always feel so small Easter evening!


40 posted on 04/12/2009 6:42:11 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Salvation

>>Do you have a source for that claim?<<

In addition to my two examples, which I believe make my point adequately, I have only third party evidence from Catholics who took their children out of parochial schools because of what was being offered as “religious education” as well as my own experiences with Cardinal Krol and Bishop Mardega.

This article http://www.rosary-center.org/ll43n2.htm
relates what happened and why there is such turmoil today.

Other than that, I am afraid that there is little more to offer.


41 posted on 04/12/2009 7:19:26 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: NYer

***”Healthy debate is welcomed,” the editorial stated. “Photographs of aborted fetuses are not.”***

Then HAVE a debate, not just a one-sided speech.


42 posted on 04/12/2009 8:01:35 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: NYer

“Most of us are like, ‘Wow,’ said Brett Ensor ...”

No, most of you are like, “DUH!”

And in response to the poster who said college students aren’t stupid, just immature: having taught on the GRADUATE level, let me assure you, it isn’t either/or, it’s both/and. A frightening number of them are both stupid AND immature.


43 posted on 04/13/2009 12:57:37 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: Stosh

It would be nice and fitting for the Knights to make a very Public pronouncement of their position since as you say they are opposed to abortions and should be opposed to the N.D. invitation of the Abortionist in Chief.

Perhaps Jenkins might see the light if they made their position clear.

The third degree Ritual requires physical response if necessary to oppose any actions against the Church.

It is my belief that when confirmed, all Catholics are to be soldiers in the army of Christ to protect and defend our Catholic Church at the cost of their lives if necessary..

I never went back after my initiation, I felt it was insulting and degrading.


44 posted on 04/13/2009 4:35:03 AM PDT by chatham
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To: netmilsmom
I have off today, and was able to get to Morning Mass. ; )

Have you heard of Garabandal? (Visitation of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel)

I never had until a few weeks ago when some literature came in the mail. (I have no idea how we received it.)

45 posted on 04/13/2009 5:53:48 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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