Skip to comments.Tea Parties Forever (Krugman psycho rant - Tea Party/Tax Revolt updates and links)
Posted on 04/13/2009 2:04:54 AM PDT by abb
This is a column about Republicans and Im not sure I should even be writing it.
Todays G.O.P. is, after all, very much a minority party. It retains some limited ability to obstruct the Democrats, but has no ability to make or even significantly shape policy.
Beyond that, Republicans have become embarrassing to watch. And it doesnt feel right to make fun of crazy people. Better, perhaps, to focus on the real policy debates, which are all among Democrats.
One way to get a good sense of the current state of the G.O.P., and also to see how little has really changed, is to look at the tea parties that have been held in a number of places already, and will be held across the country on Wednesday. These parties antitaxation demonstrations that are supposed to evoke the memory of the Boston Tea Party and the American Revolution have been the subject of considerable mockery, and rightly so.
Last but not least: it turns out that the tea parties dont represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. Theyre AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News.
But thats nothing new, and AstroTurf has worked well for Republicans in the past. The most notable example was the spontaneous riot back in 2000 actually orchestrated by G.O.P. strategists that shut down the presidential vote recount in Floridas Miami-Dade County.
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Links and updates to follow downthread.
What planet is he from?
There are right-wing billionaires in this country??? It would be nice if Mr. Krugman dropped a few names.
And I'm sure none of the leftist anti-war, anti-Bush demonstrations are funded by left-wing billionaires, such as George Soros.
I didn't think that was a "spontaneous riot" when it happened--how could it be? It, along with the tea parties, are something Krugman and his ilk find really, truly revolting--American citizens using whatever methods they have available to voice their protest. Shockingly, this means even rich guys (or campaign workers) who wear ties can voice their opinions, too, as well as working-class folks who don't have Paul Krugman's sympathy.
Is he really trying to argue that only "spontaneous" protest is "real" protest? I guess the original tea-partiers just showed up on the deck and noticed a bunch of other guys in Indian dress--coincidentally!
What is it Obama "community organized"--"spontaneous" events?
I don't personally care for the tea party events. I don't really see the point. But unlike Krugman, I don't think it's always gotta be about me, on my terms, when people express themselves. See, Paul, just because someone doesn't have a column in a newspaper, it doesn't mean they don't have the right to speak.
As for the assertion about debate on issues, the only debates going on with Krugman's liberal buddies is how "spontaneously" they can spend taxpayer money on those who didn't earn it.
Oh, and btw, Paul's columns don't just "spontaneously" appear...
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You don’t catch a lot of flak unless you’re right over the target.
But Krugman seems to have lost it with this piece. He normally tries to write “above” the rabble. I think he’s mad at himself and conservatives because he’s been forced to write about this “tea party” thing.
Well, nobody supplies *us* with free transport via fleets of buses, giant, idiotic puppets, professionally printed/mass produced protest signs or Day-Glo morons on stilts so we must not have any “billionaire benefactors”.
It is amazing. He just won the Nobel Prize. The Democrats have won decisively and here Krugman is trying to kick Conservatives when they are down. He must not have confidence
in the cause as applied by Obama.
If he could, he'd transform his bogus opinion of other people's politics into a structural impairment of their expression -- enforced by police batons, dogs, fire hoses, and "liberal" application of CS gas.
Krugman's just another parasite on Stalinist political front-groups, another duckspeaker spewing prolefeed.
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Who “forced” him?
Do editors commonly hold their writers at gunpoint?
I have no idea what, if anything, tea parties will ultimately accomplish but it’s better than sitting around the house complaining and doing nothing where no one can hear you but your dog.
If nothing else, they burrow under the left’s skin.
That’s good enough reason for me....:)
Shut down Bill Daley and Al Gore from stealing a national election in broad daylight.
A bunch of Democrats were going to go count election-deciding votes in a locked room. That'll happen over our dead bodies!
I hate it when liberals lie so smoothly, when it rolls off their tongues like poisoned honey.
What a half-witted statement. When do we ever see "spontaneous outpourings" taking place in dozens of different locations? Of course there's some coordination, and only a nutcase would find anything to whine about or object to. I guess Krugman's only impressed with "spontaneous outpourings" of support such as ACORN and assorted other taxpayer financed, partisan political groups.
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Not who but what. Events forced him to comment. He would have preferred not writing about the tea parties at all. Now he's had to stain the august pages of the Left's New Testament, The New York Times, with stories about the rabble on the right.
We're too big to ignore. And he's pi$$ed about it.
When we’re done with the tea parties, we’ll throw him a pity party...:)
“And it doesnt feel right to make fun of crazy people.”
Couldn't have said it better myself, Paul, you crazy bed bug. To think that someone would pay $50,000 a year in tuition to listen to this drivel is astounding. This guy may be a nobel prize winning economist but I'd bet a years pay he couldn't run a corner grocery store to save his life!
These people think they have an endless right to take by force what is not theirs.
The dream of America is quickly coming to an end because of people who think like Krugman.
I use to think there was a “silent majority” in this country that believed in property rights, individual freedom and the constitution. It is becoming painful clear I was wrong.
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He used to be halfway sane when he was an economic commentator, but when he branched out in to politics, he got kind of wacky.
I see age has not improved him any...
Ah, the old leftist Chairman Mao tactic: Whomever disagrees with me is insane.
I’d be happier if the GOP went away forever and we had us a Tea Party ticket to run on instead.
Another supreme case of projection.
1) Krugman is unfortunately correct the GOP has virtually no ability to shape policy, that is almost exclusively in the hands of Democrats -which explains the tea parties.
2) Krugman calls Republicans "crazy" and says that the tea parties "have been the subject of considerable mockery, and rightly so." But up to the point of making these allegations, he has offered not one word in support of them.
3) Krugman calls Republicans "bizarre" because the Republicans have called Obama a "socialist" who "seeks to destroy capitalism." Krugman thinks Americans are moved to take to the streets in protest because Obama wants to raise tax rates on the wealthiest Americans back to the levels of the Reagan administration. There are some other factors, Mr. Krugman, such as Obama's plan to give welfare to non-taxpayers; his taking over of banks and insurance companies to the point of firing employees of whom he disapproves; his unilaterally guaranteeing the warrantees on automobiles; his threats against the coal industry; his threats to nationalize (or should I have better said, "to socialize?) the healthcare industry; the threats to control salaries in all industries; etc.
4) Krugman claims the Republicans use the term "socialism" because the term "liberal" no longer carries the punch it used to. One might question why the Democrats are running away from the term "liberal" if it is so innocuous? It might also be that Republicans are consciously saying "socialist" because Obama is just that, a country mile past "liberal."
5) Krugman maintains that Karl Rove's description of liberals wanting to offer "therapy and understanding" to liberals was "bizarre." One need only think of Bill Clinton's statement after terrorists murdered 3000 Americans and brought down the twin towers to the effect that we should understand that this was a reaction to the Crusades. Surely, Karl Rove's criticism was well within the bounds of fair comment.
6) Krugman deplores the following "crazy stuff": "Then there are the claims made at some recent tea-party events that Mr. Obama wasnt born in America, which follow on earlier claims that he is a secret Muslim." Mr. Krugman, which is crazier: asking where Obama was born because the documentation is arguably incomplete, or failing to produce the documentation which costs about $12 in favor of spending millions of dollars defending lawsuits on the subject? You are an economist, the answer should be easy for you. Why is it "crazy" to claim the Obama is a secret Muslim when he was listed as a Moslem on official school documents while he was in school in Indonesia? when his stepfather was a Moslem? when he spent four years in a Muslim school? when every known member of his family on his father's side is a Muslim? Does not this accumulation of facts constitute a reasonable predicate for the assertion. Certainly one cannot say that the assertion under these circumstances is "crazy."
7) Krugman notes that some Republicans have called the Clintons "murderers." I leave the reader to review the paragraph in which Mr. Krugman makes these allegations and see how despicable he uses the passive voice so that in some instances the utterers of these deformations need not be named by Krugman. A scurrilous artifice of language. When he does name names, such as Rush Limbaugh, he invokes the qualifier, "innuendo" to leave the reader with the false impression that Limbaugh and big-league conservative media outlets have made these accusations when Krugman knows full well they have not. Shame on you Mr. Krugman.
8) Krugman must really lose it when he contemplates Rush Limbaugh. Consider this sentence, "The abject apologies he has extracted from Republican politicians who briefly dared to criticize him have been right out of Stalinist show trials." Mr. Krugman, it is one thing to vouchsafe a polemicist a certain amount of hyperbole but you've gone over the line here. Unless you can show that Republicans who endured these "Stalinist show trials" were taken out and executed or were sent to a gulag, you should abjectly apologize. You have lost every bit of credibility with such an outrageous slander. Too bad you didn't invoke the Nazi Holocaust and the show trials of Adolf Hitler, and perhaps even some people on the left might have been repulsed enough to speak out against you because then you would have reached political correctness so precious to your side.
9) Krugman asserts without documentation that evolution has been denounced at the tea parties. Such a charge need not be defended if it is not documented. If there is any truth to it I would suspect that it has to do with the denunciation of a school system which compels the teaching of evolution and prohibits at the same time the teaching of alternative theories. Not such a bad position to hold in a free society with a "liberal" understanding of the means and purposes of education.
10) Krugman rounds out his screed by calling the Republicans "childish"-or at least insist that they refuse to grow up- and declaring that they are "clueless" particularly about economic policy. He does not deign to document these charges either.
It is incredible to realize that this rant can appear in what used to be known as America's newspaper of record. One might ask the old Gray Lady a question which they once seized upon and distorted to destroy Joseph McCarthy, "at long last have you no shame?"
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Wow! Just Wow!
That was painful to read.
I wonder what goes on in this guys brain bucket when he is frustrated and his party is not in power?
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Did you send this to Krugman? If not you should
Krugman and his ilk would like nothing better than to get people to believe that "socialism" is just a Republican smear of "liberalism." I won't mince words--Krugman is a liar of the worst kind.
Simply put, liberals--not classical liberals, not moderates, but liberals--LOATHED the spread of socialism in the early part of the last century because it was sneaking in under the sheep's clothing of liberalism. These are NOT the same things--I can disagree with liberalism without smearing it, but more importantly, LIBERALS back then didn't want what is happening right now to happen. They HATED Stalin but they also hated communism.
Honest liberals, whatever I think of their beliefs, have tried to get this message out. Film writer Richard Shickel (sp) in particular wrote a very thoughtful, detailed article some years ago about how Hollywood liberals became victims of the attempts by communists to pretend THEY were liberals.
This is a crucial point which Krugman knows and it reveals his true position. No genuine liberal, no honest liberal, would stand for this kind of thing, because it goes to the crux of a very important distinction which is almost gone. The youth of today who would have been liberals--people of the left who would have policy differences with us but who were loyal Americans--are becoming socialists. A true liberal--if any are left--would be fighting the corruption of his cause, not continue to obfuscate a real, important corruption.
Marxism is Marxism no matter how they try and paper it over. They can’t hide it with any amount of perfume or jewelry.
Something for nothing. The oldest scam since the dawn of mankind. That’s all Marxism has ever been and all it will ever be.
“...and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires.”
Speaking of billionaires, is anyone concern that Soros or another like him will send people (acorn or the like) into tea parties and have them start real problems (violence, shootings...) and blame it on the right? Hopefully there are many video camera's there to tape the faces of anyone starting trouble.
Former Enron adviser Krugman fell for socialism, hence, he flunked reality 101 and is stuck on stupid. Anything he has to say about economics or politics is worthless.
Yes, and unfortunately they have cultivated a generation, members of which have repeated TO MY FACE the oldest, scariest line of the Marxists: “But REAL Marxism/Socialism/Communism has never been tried!” A mindset which will perpetuate that particular Hell-on-Earth as long as there are gullible people who think with their feelings.
Paul Krugman, I know you are but what am I?
What planet is he from?
krugman...I have just two words for you.... one of them is a noun and the other a pronoun!
I’m fairly certain that’s illegal...:)
Oh, the NYT was quick to focus on the likes of Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan. They were not only embarrassing to watch, but also insulting. This is a very lame attempt to marginalize that which he cannot ignore.
“And I’m sure none of the leftist anti-war, anti-Bush demonstrations are funded by left-wing billionaires, such as George Soros. “
Left Wing Projection from a Left Wing Loony.
Who is the side who always arms its protesters with professionally made, identical posters and banners?
I think there will be video cameras all over the place. This will be a big event and people will want to film it.
It is going to be hard to pass off a left wing registered acorn employee as a right wing fanatic. We have the internet and Nexus too!
Yes, a "spontaneous outpouring" would be something for the left to really fear wouldn't it? So Krugman writes this piece that is basically wishful thinking.
He wishes we were being led by the nose, but he's in for a big surprise. There's anger out here, and that's what is spurring us to action.
The whole thing will backfire on the dems, and it will be because they tried to do too much too fast.