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Viral Batteries: A Case for Evolution?
ICR ^ | April 13, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 04/13/2009 9:14:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Viral Batteries: A Case for Evolution?

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Researchers at MIT have invented a “greener” battery with the help of viruses. Three years ago, they engineered a virus that coats itself with material that serves as an anode, a structure within a battery that attracts positive ions. They have now engineered a virus (bacteriophage) that serves as a cathode, which indirectly links to the anode to help make the battery functional. The result is a battery with little impact on the environment.

National Public Radio (NPR) ran a report on its Morning Edition that compared the development of this battery with the processes of evolution, stating that if the lead researcher “didn't like any properties of the electrode, she just tweaked the DNA of the virus that was making it.”1 But does this research actually portray an evolutionary process?...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2strange4words; angelabelcher; asterisk; bacteria; bacteriophage; battery; brianthomasvanity; carbon; cathode; creation; dna; engineered; engineering; evolution; genetically; humor; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; iron; madscientists; mit; nontubes; npr; phosphate; technology; viral; virus

1 posted on 04/13/2009 9:14:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/13/2009 9:15:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Frankenscience at a microscopic scale, similar to what Obama plans to do with his foot soldiers


3 posted on 04/13/2009 9:16:21 AM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Looks like an instance of design.


4 posted on 04/13/2009 9:16:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GodGunsGuts

I beat ALF (Animal Liberation Front) will bomb thier labs.

Don’t viruses have feelings to?

(no)


5 posted on 04/13/2009 9:16:59 AM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: GodGunsGuts
I just love it when Intelligent men and women in labs are able to Design something cool -- and then they use that as evidence for Evolution.

Talk about seeing what you want to see ...

6 posted on 04/13/2009 9:18:02 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There’s some serious delusion going on, if anyone can look at an engineered virus and see evidence of evolution, as opposed to intelligent design. Maybe, in the spirit of punctuated equilibrium, we’ll be treated to treatises upon assisted evolution? Quite the interesting history in just this past century, as far as human attempts at such assistance. Not sure they want to go there.


7 posted on 04/13/2009 9:22:44 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GodGunsGuts
Zombies Pictures, Images and Photos

Gotta watch out for that zombie creating side effect.

8 posted on 04/13/2009 9:23:47 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound

>Gotta watch out for that zombie creating side effect.

Indeed, it’s news like this that has people stocking up on guns and ammo. ;)


9 posted on 04/13/2009 9:29:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think the article is talking to the “evolution” of the dry cell battery, not relating it to “evolution” of mankind. Scientists have been using viruses and bacteria to rid the soil and/or ground water of hydrocarbon spills for quite some time now. They’ve just taken the technology to a new level with engineering the viral srains to accept a chemical current.


10 posted on 04/13/2009 9:31:57 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: truemiester
Don’t viruses have feelings too?

Well, according to these researchers, they have preferences, thoughts and intent, so why the heck not?

"... viruses that first coat themselves with iron phosphate, then grab hold of carbon nanotubes to create a network of highly conductive material.” This technology works only “because the viruses recognize and bind specifically to certain materials.”

Feeeeeliiinnngs, whoa whoa whooaa feeeliinnnggs.

11 posted on 04/13/2009 9:34:31 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mentor2k

Quite the freighted term, “evolution,” especially when used by National Public Radio. I somehow doubt NPR used the word in any other context.


12 posted on 04/13/2009 9:39:39 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GodGunsGuts
Instead of ushering the masses into their cavernous Intermediate Life Form Fossil museums, housing millions of tangible and undeniable proofs of evolution (as they promised and expected) evos have been reduced to the these absurd abstractions and extrapolations.

It's been a bad century and a half for them.

13 posted on 04/13/2009 10:04:13 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

Once again, in case you are interested in actually reading (and in case you are under the delusion that postings of ICR articles on FR are actually representative of the science):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/gquery?term=evolution


14 posted on 04/13/2009 10:10:06 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: GodGunsGuts

Employing human intelligence to manipulate the genes of plants and animals is a common practice, and has not a thing to do with genetic alterations resulting by pure chance in an undirected, random fashion.


15 posted on 04/13/2009 10:46:28 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: GodGunsGuts
But when the virus get's out and starts connecting all the batteries in the world -

SKYNET!

16 posted on 04/13/2009 10:50:39 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: GodGunsGuts
This is design not evolution. But it also sounds like Morgellons disease. Morgellons and Nanomachines
Morgellons Lab Results
Morgellons
17 posted on 04/13/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"It is almost as if Morgellons is in the process of reconstructing people into an entirely different life form; a cyborg-like creature, both biological and machine. As well, with the reports that the Morgellons nanomachines are capable of receiving radio signals, this could indicate that each infected person/system would be able to communicate with other Morgellon sufferers, creating the potential that each person would be like a single brain-cell of a larger, artificial intelligence. " say what?
18 posted on 04/13/2009 11:53:48 AM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: Nipplemancer

Morgellonborg, you will be assimilated.

Ok, they definitely went overboard there.


19 posted on 04/13/2009 11:57:35 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: atlaw

Please take the Honest Evolutionist Test:

Thirty years ago, did you honestly think that evolutionists would still be looking, today, for all those missing links?


20 posted on 04/13/2009 12:08:00 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

Sure. But your question is rather ridiculous. Did you honestly believe in 1979 that all scientific discoveries would have been made by 2009?


21 posted on 04/13/2009 12:32:29 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

You failed.


22 posted on 04/13/2009 12:49:09 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: RegulatorCountry; mentor2k
Quite the freighted term, “evolution,” especially when used by National Public Radio. I somehow doubt NPR used the word in any other context.

You are taken at face value an ICR article that's trying to decieve you.

For where the evolution part is relevant

See Virus Built Electronics

Belcher (and Chiang) uses a method sometimes called "directed evolution," which allows her to quickly modify viruses to work with a range of materials.

In this case, directed evolution begins with a small vial that ­Chiang pulls from a refrigerator. Inside is a clear fluid that contains a billion viruses; they are nearly identical, but each has a subtle genetic variation introduced by the researchers. The variations are, in part, fortuitous: the researchers add a randomly generated sequence of DNA to each virus. But the added DNA, which codes for a short strand of amino acids called a peptide, is inserted into the gene for a select protein.

Since there are so many variations among the viruses in the vial, some of them should randomly have peptides that bind to a useful inorganic material. The researchers simply pour the contents of the vial onto a target material, such as a small square of gold, and give the viruses a chance to bind. Then they wash the material. After a few repetitions, only the viruses that happen to bind strongly remain. The process allows the researchers to quickly engineer viruses to bind to a particular material, even if they don't know ahead of time what sequence of amino acids is likely to work.

Funny how the ICR deciced to comment on a science article by a reporter who probably flunked JR high school biology instead of using more detailed technical reports.

23 posted on 04/13/2009 12:58:54 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Cedric
Huh? I spent a sizable part of my undergraduate years collecting lichens in the Smokey Mountains, and I didn't expect then that all lichen species would be discovered in my lifetime. You obvioulsy have a very cloistered view of the world. Maybe you really should spend some time reading the materials I linked above in post 14. Or at least get out of your living room once in a while.
24 posted on 04/13/2009 1:00:51 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw
Smokey Mountains = Appalachia

Had I known, I never would've given you the test.

25 posted on 04/13/2009 1:08:23 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

Your “test” is a neon-lit billboard advertising your own ignorance.


26 posted on 04/13/2009 1:13:51 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: atlaw

Look who’s talkin’, y’all.


27 posted on 04/13/2009 1:34:20 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: DannyTN

a little bit...


28 posted on 04/13/2009 1:39:42 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: qam1
You are taken at face value an ICR article that's trying to decieve you.

I took a sourced comment from NPR at face value. Who's trying to deceive whom?

29 posted on 04/13/2009 2:19:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cedric

Smokey Mountains = Appalachia
Had I known, I never would’ve given you the test.
______

I thought that we libtard evolutionists were the elitists. Guess I was wrong.

Wonder if there are more creationists, id’ers or believers in evolution in Appalachia. Since you believe that folks in Appalachia are stupid, you would expect them to ‘evolutionists’, wouldn’t you?

I’d guess the opposite is true.


30 posted on 04/13/2009 2:23:22 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Guess I was wrong.

That's a start! Let the hgealing begin!

31 posted on 04/13/2009 2:27:01 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: dmz
Guess I was wrong.

That's a start! Let the hgealing begin!

32 posted on 04/13/2009 2:27:01 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

opps! Typo:

“hgealing”

I meant ghealign.


33 posted on 04/13/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric

do you have andre the giant fingers? no one can have that many spelling errors and then correct a spelling error with a spelling error.


34 posted on 04/13/2009 3:28:46 PM PDT by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 04/13/2009 8:55:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: RegulatorCountry

“Feeeeeliiinnngs, whoa whoa whooaa feeeliinnnggs”

You just had to go there, didn’t you?


36 posted on 04/15/2009 7:29:10 AM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: ClearCase_guy
I just love it when Intelligent men and women in labs are able to Design something cool -- and then they use that as evidence for Evolution. Talk about seeing what you want to see ...

I just love it when you can't see the work the Designer had in evolution, preferring to close your eyes to the miracles of life.

37 posted on 04/15/2009 7:32:36 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

I look at nature every day and marvel at the miraculous work of the Designer. What are you talking about?


38 posted on 04/15/2009 7:34:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I look at nature every day and marvel at the miraculous work of the Designer. What are you talking about?

Apparently you either did not read my post, you are deliberately distorting my post or you agree that the Designer used evolution to bring the views you observe every day.

39 posted on 04/15/2009 7:37:16 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Elsiejay
Employing human intelligence to manipulate the genes of plants and animals is a common practice, and has not a thing to do with genetic alterations resulting by pure chance in an undirected, random fashion.

I see you are a visitor to the same three or four creationist websites that spew these false descriptions of evolution.

40 posted on 04/15/2009 7:41:56 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater
I guess I'm not understanding you -- do you believe that Intelligent Design is responsible for the life forms we see around us?

This is a Yes or No question.

41 posted on 04/15/2009 7:47:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I guess I'm not understanding you -- do you believe that Intelligent Design is responsible for the life forms we see around us?

I guess you are not understanding me. I posted about the miracles of evolutionary life. Do you are do you not believe that the Designer used evolution to create the present life forms.

This is a Yes or No question.

42 posted on 04/15/2009 9:49:48 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; ClearCase_guy
Do you are do you not believe that the Designer used evolution to create the present life forms. This is a Yes or No question.

Well, actually.... you demand a Yes or No answer, which is not the same thing as there actually being a Yes or No answer.

43 posted on 04/15/2009 9:54:04 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Well, actually.... you demand a Yes or No answer, which is not the same thing as there actually being a Yes or No answer.

Did you not read #41. I was merely throwing it back in his face.

44 posted on 04/15/2009 10:43:46 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater; ClearCase_guy
Well, no, I guess I didn't notice that they were different questions.

Both of them are based on the same false premise, however -- so even if I only quoted one, I directed the comment to both of you.

Maybe I killed two birds with one stone.

45 posted on 04/15/2009 11:17:57 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Both of them are based on the same false premise, however -- so even if I only quoted one, I directed the comment to both of you. Maybe I killed two birds with one stone.

No. Mine was not based on a false premise. The premise of my post was to show the false premise of his post by repeating it back to him. duh.

46 posted on 04/15/2009 11:22:23 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

So you didn’t actually mean your question? Sometimes it’s hard to tell.


47 posted on 04/15/2009 11:24:13 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
So you didn’t actually mean your question? Sometimes it’s hard to tell.

It's a long story going back to early in the thread. Sometimes if you are not involved you miss the back and forth. My post was meant for only one person and it would take too long to explain right now.

48 posted on 04/15/2009 11:30:34 AM PDT by ColdWater
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