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1 posted on 04/13/2009 9:42:34 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 04/13/2009 9:43:53 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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The 1967 Land O’Lakes conference statement on the modernization of Catholic universities made Americanism and Modernism a focus for Catholicism, eventually disconnecting the colleges and universities from the Catholic Church, as we see now.


3 posted on 04/13/2009 9:53:13 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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As Newbusters.org pointed out, Kenneth Woodward, before drooling all over his keyboard or going under the table in an Obamagasm, should have engaged in a little full-disclosure by letting everyone know that HIS SON IS ASSOCIATE VICE-PRESIDENT FOR MARKETING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME.

Also, as regards, the permanently-dissenting, full-time Democrat apologist Michael Sean Winters at America, what I like to do everytime America sends me a subscription offer is print up my little essay on Winters, stick it inside the envelope whose postage America is paying for, and mail it pack to them.

I know, just a small handfull of sand at the big old American Catholic Church machine . . . but it feels good.


4 posted on 04/13/2009 9:54:46 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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More Catholics who chose to assimilate into the mainstream
Dialogue and mutual respect and all that stuff....


5 posted on 04/13/2009 10:10:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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Alas, all too accurate. The Americanists seized the opportunity after V2 to eschew all the “foreign” elements in Catholic worship. Those Catholics who were attached to such things could just lump it. Many just chose to leave, or just stay home. Many thought that if there was not difference between the Catholic Church and the Methodist Church down the street, then why bother with either.
10 posted on 04/13/2009 11:23:13 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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Especially after World War II, higher education, new affluence, and population shifts—the breakdown of inner-city ethnic parishes as Catholics moved to the booming suburbs—fueled a progressive thinning-out of Catholic identity that’s still going on.

For more detail on exactly what happened and why, I recommend:

The Slaughter of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing by E. Michael Jones

11 posted on 04/13/2009 11:56:41 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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Americanism? Wouldn’t that imply that Notre Dame’s version of Catholicism is somehow a uniquely American one? I daresay abortion is neither unique to America nor an universally American institution or value.


12 posted on 04/13/2009 12:40:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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This also points up the problems that one encounters when he attaches himself to the zeitgeist.

Americanism isn't what it used to be. It used to be very much aligned with Catholic morality, but not anymore.

It was good to see that Leo XIII recognized the blight in its early stages. It's unfortunate that the blight has persisted and expanded.

14 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:28 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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Excellent analysis. I have referred to it as the protestantization of the Catholic Church in America, but the term Americanization is more accurate.

The fruit of this error is relativism, because a protestant culture, by its very nature, is multiple choice.

In a relativist society all sets of beliefs, regardless how opposed they might be, are considered valid, whereas in a truly Catholic culture moral truths are universal.

I believe it was Cardinal Paul Joseph Pham Dinh Tung of Viet Nam who, after being told how we were praying so hard for Catholics in Viet Nam who were under oppression said that it was us who needed prayers since our souls were at much greater risk because of the culture of death we are mainstreamed into. Notre Dame is ample evidence of that.


15 posted on 04/13/2009 3:52:20 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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