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Thailand descends into chaos
FinancialTimes.com ^ | 4/13/09 | Tim Johnston

Posted on 04/13/2009 12:37:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Thailand’s political crisis descended into chaos on Monday as anti-government protesters and the military fought dramatic battles on the streets of Bangkok that left at least two dead and almost 100 injured.

The government on Monday night claimed to have regained control of the Thai capital’s streets. But some 4,000 protesters remained around the prime minister’s office in central Bangkok, surrounded by security forces.

Abhisit Vejjajiva, the prime minister, who declared a state of emergency in Bangkok and surrounding areas on Sunday, said in a nationally televised address that the military had been using as little force as possible.

“All the work I am doing is not to create fear or put pressure or to harm any group of people. It’s a step-by-step process to restore order and stop violence,” he said.

But protesters, who have been calling for Mr Abhisit’s resignation, said they were worried about what the security forces would do to move them off the streets after a day in which troops were accused of firing live rounds into crowds throwing rocks and firebombs.

“We are so afraid. We think they are going to come in and clear us out with bullets,” said Somchit Likhittaworn, a university lecturer who was in the middle of the demonstration. She said she and her friends were frightened to leave because they had heard that gangs of government supporters were roving around outside the perimeter.

The scenes on the streets drew international calls for an end to the crisis.

The US State Department said Washington condemned the “unacceptable violence” of the protests. The European Union expressed “great concern”.

The EU’s Czech presidency called for “protesters to refrain from further violent action in the street”, which it said could only deepen tensions and harm the country’s stability.

The clashes came two days after red-shirted anti-government protesters forced the cancellation of a high-profile Asian summit in an embarrassment for the Oxford-educated Mr Abhisit, who took office in December.

Standard & Poor’s and Moody’s, which already have a negative outlook on Thailand’s sovereign ratings, said the renewed unrest increased the risk of a downgrade.

The street battles began after security forces moved to clear protesters from a big intersection in central Bangkok that they had blocked with burning tyres.

Dozens were injured. The authorities took control of the intersection, but the protesters moved into surrounding streets, from where they threw petrol bombs and taunted soldiers.

They also rigged a driverless bus to run into the lines of troops, but caused no casualties.

Soldiers responded by firing at the protesters. The authorities say they used blank ammunition but the protesters have insisted they were live rounds.

There were other clashes outside the foreign ministry, where the protesters burnt a bus.

Government and hospital authorities last night said two men had been killed during the protests, after being shot in clashes between demonstrators and local residents.

The government and emergency services said almost 100 people had been injured, including 23 soldiers.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: bangkok; chaos; descends; thailand

1 posted on 04/13/2009 12:37:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Thailand?


2 posted on 04/13/2009 12:39:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("It's not treason to want freedom.")
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To: NormsRevenge

I flew out of Bangkok on Saturday AM ater a week and a half in country...not a moment too soon either I guess.


3 posted on 04/13/2009 12:40:03 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: NormsRevenge
Thailand descends into chaos...

How could they tell?

4 posted on 04/13/2009 12:40:14 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: BenLurkin

My reaction too.


5 posted on 04/13/2009 12:40:44 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: NormsRevenge
What a shame, such a beautiful country.

It's time to restore democracy, even if Thaksin's party wins. Thaksin was a scoundrel, but I think he was legitimately elected by a majority.

6 posted on 04/13/2009 12:48:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker (What do you mean you can't put a teleprompter on a Easter egg? What do I say to the kids?)
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To: MNlurker
I flew out of Bangkok on Saturday AM ater a week and a half in country...not a moment too soon either I guess. M

Wow, they must miss you. Maybe you should get back there, for their sakes.

7 posted on 04/13/2009 12:48:54 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: WayneS

Really quite unfair...Bangkok has these rallys from time to time, as for the rest of the country there’s nothing at all like this going on...the rest of the country is busy celebrating the Thai New Year.


8 posted on 04/13/2009 12:49:24 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: NormsRevenge; TigerLikesRooster
Michael Yon sent out an email saying the situation was deteriorating and that he'd head over there from Malaysia, where he's at now, if it looked like it was getting worse. He did offer this link:

If you or loved ones are in Thailand, please read this dispatch for some general hints on how to get out of Thailand in the event the Bangkok airport is blockaded again.

9 posted on 04/13/2009 12:49:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (May God save America from its government; this is no time for Obamateurs. Emmanuel = Haldeman?)
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To: NormsRevenge
[THE AMERICAN]
Bangkok, Oriental setting
And the city don't know that the city is getting
The creme de la creme of the chess world in a
Show with everything but Yul Brynner

Time flies -- doesn't seem a minute
Since the Tirolean spa had the chess boys in it
All change -- don't you know that when you
Play at this level there's no ordinary venue

It's Iceland -- or the Philippines -- or Hastings -- or -- or this place!

[COMPANY]
One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
And if you're lucky then the god's a she
I can feel an angel sliding up to me

[THE AMERICAN]
One town's very like another
When your head's down over your pieces, brother

[COMPANY]
It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pity
To be looking at the board, not looking at the city

[THE AMERICAN]
Whaddya mean? Ya seen one crowded, polluted, stinking town --

[COMPANY]
Tea, girls, warm, sweet
Some are set up in the Somerset Maugham suite

[THE AMERICAN]
Get Thai'd! You're talking to a tourist
Whose every move's among the purest
I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine

[COMPANY]
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the devil walking next to me

[THE AMERICAN]
Siam's gonna be the witness
To the ultimate test of cerebral fitness
This grips me more than would a Muddy old river or reclining Buddha

And thank God I'm only watching the game -- controlling it --

I don't see you guys rating
The kind of mate I'm contemplating
I'd let you watch, I would invite you
But the queens we use would not excite you
So you better go back to your bars, your temples, your massage parlours --

[COMPANY]
One night in Bangkok and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every golden cloister
A little flesh, a little history
I can feel an angel sliding up to me


One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the devil walking next to me

10 posted on 04/13/2009 12:53:43 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: MNlurker

I was joking. The typical video footage one sees on the news of SE Asian city streets and market-places make it seem that things are pretty chaotic (not necessarily a negative word, in my opinion) all the time.


11 posted on 04/13/2009 12:53:46 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: MNlurker
"Really quite unfair...Bangkok has these rallys from time to time, as for the rest of the country there’s nothing at all like this going on...the rest of the country is busy celebrating the Thai New Year. "

Yep! Just like here in U.S. Leftist troublemakers are always drawn-to, and concentrated-in, the cesspools called "cities".

12 posted on 04/13/2009 12:57:04 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: MNlurker

My best friend’s nephew is there now as a missionary. I hope he’ll be safe. Hopefully, YWAM is on top of the situation.


13 posted on 04/13/2009 1:10:04 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: NormsRevenge

it is really time for the average Thai people to stop this stupid tit for tat foolishness .

Nobody knows what they want anymore , they only think about what they don’t want . Every one of them , red or yellow , are breaking many Buddhist precepts by behaving in these manners .

They can’t be satisfied , they are acting like spoiled children , lead by people with few morals and very corrupted outlooks .

I actually believe that Thailand would be better off under
another military government , until such time as the people settle down and get real. Until such time as some decent leaders step forward .
Even His Majesty , the enfeebled King has no power or much influence anymore . He is just being cynically used by
all parties who claim they have his nod. Her Majesty the Queen did not help matters by tacitly supporting the Yellows either . Was it because they wore the shirts with the Royalty’s own logo on them at first ? How shallow can they get ? The Crown prince offers no greater wisdom or vision either . This may be Thailand’s last King . Perhaps Phra Thep could bring some sensibility to matters ?
But for now , look for the Thai military to send all the loonies packing , real soon. And they will deserve what they get . They are bringing it on themselves.


14 posted on 04/13/2009 1:23:07 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: NormsRevenge
...calling for Mr Abhisit’s resignation...

Because??

Seems to me that a basic tenet of a news story is the 'Why'?

15 posted on 04/13/2009 1:30:09 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: BenLurkin
Thailand?

Phuket.

16 posted on 04/13/2009 1:30:54 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
????

My comment as to not a moment too soon had to do with the fact that taxi drivers support the protesters and often go on strike when these rallies occur. Being 40 minutes away from the airport at a hotel and having no other way to get there may have made things quite difficult

Sorry but maybe I'm reading your reply wrong? It comes off as condescending.

17 posted on 04/13/2009 1:34:07 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: WayneS

It was amusing as my Mom kept emailing asking if I was stuck in the “riots” the picture of in country versus media images were quite different.


18 posted on 04/13/2009 1:35:24 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: the invisib1e hand

That was one weird song that shot to the top of the charts. I remember Rick Dees wondering if the “head down over your pieces” bit was about homosexuals. Evidently he didn’t really listen to the lyrics.


19 posted on 04/13/2009 1:43:56 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Did Benny and Bjorn write the lyrics to that ditty or just the music?


20 posted on 04/13/2009 1:44:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Great song, good one to muse at, and describes Bang Na well.

We have a beautiful apartment in Jomtien, not been in 2 years!

Shinawatra is definitely no angel, and has made $Billions from the selloff of the GSM network there.

Heard him on TV today saying how much poorer people have suffered since his Government had been ousted, made me fall over laughing, yeah, pull the other one Thaksin, it's got brass knobs on.


21 posted on 04/13/2009 2:47:23 PM PDT by bethybabes69
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To: NormsRevenge

after a day in which troops were accused of firing live rounds into crowds throwing rocks and firebombs...

and they expect the troops to do?


22 posted on 04/13/2009 2:54:17 PM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: NonValueAdded
BIG contrast in the rest of the Country, at least in Central Thailand. The only risk I have seen here is getting plastered with water and talcum powder from the New Year celebrators.Talked to friends around the country (Rural) and they say the same.
23 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:20 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: NormsRevenge
The US State Department said Washington condemned the “unacceptable violence” of the protests. The European Union expressed “great concern”.

Fortunately Oboooombi's administration & the EU are right on top of the situation with strong rhetoric. I'm sure that will quell the riots... sarc/

24 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:12 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup
Fortunately Oboooombi's administration & the EU are right on top of the situation with strong rhetoric. I'm sure that will quell the riots... sarc/

What do you think the response from the United States should be?

25 posted on 04/13/2009 3:41:43 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

Send Abhisit a better Teleprompter.


26 posted on 04/13/2009 4:00:15 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: jedi150
Send Abhisit a better Teleprompter.

Not much of an answer.

27 posted on 04/13/2009 4:10:10 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Oatka
I remember Rick Dees wondering if the “head down over your pieces” bit was about homosexuals. Evidently he didn’t really listen to the lyrics.

The rest of the "Chess" album has a bunch of great songs besides "One night in Bangkok"

28 posted on 04/13/2009 4:43:54 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: colorado tanker

yep. mob rule. the one with the majority can slaughter the losers. welcome to our future.


29 posted on 04/13/2009 4:50:08 PM PDT by GeronL (tea parties quarterly until we get big enough to simply take over by force if necessary)
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To: Oatka
In formatting that post (which took several minutes) I was reminded what a clever bit of lyric it is, and how, in its context (I read somehwere it was part of a play or a concept album or something), it probably makes perfect sense.

Thought the video was cool and the tune was catchy.

I like lyrics that make me wonder.

30 posted on 04/13/2009 5:22:10 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Frantzie
Did Benny and Bjorn write the lyrics to that ditty or just the music?

Eek. Didn't know they had anything to do with it.

31 posted on 04/13/2009 5:23:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: NormsRevenge
Hey

Haven't they been having problems with a certain religious persuasion originating from a region referred to as the Sinai peninsula? If so I wonder if they may be part of this problem.

Regards

32 posted on 04/13/2009 6:35:31 PM PDT by texas yoeman (possible culprits behind the riots)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Sorry, but that brought this to mind.

Cheers!

33 posted on 04/13/2009 6:59:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: jedi150

Almost all of Bangkok is quiet also. Life goes on in Bangkok and if you didn’t turn on the tv, you wouldn’t know there are problems... but of course don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story. We’re doomed... we’re doomed...


34 posted on 04/13/2009 7:33:49 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy

Just off the phone to my dad, said they shut down all the shopping malls, That should piss off a bunch of people!


35 posted on 04/13/2009 7:49:34 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: jedi150

The big malls like Paragon and Central World shut down on Sunday voluntarily. Probably for insurance reasons. MBK and others are still open. Everything in my area is open.


36 posted on 04/13/2009 9:22:20 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: killjoy

Must just be in selected areas, getting second hand info from BKK by phone. Just got back from Big C and the place is deserted. I think more so to being hung over by the locals from yesterday. Still not a sign at all that it’s anything but a normal day here.


37 posted on 04/13/2009 9:26:28 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: jonno

There was a very good thread on FR a couple of months ago from Freepers who are there or are experts on Thai politics that explained all this. I was worried about Thailand before reading that, and I’m a little concerned now, but i don’t think there’s going to be any kind of coup. there might be rage for a few months, but then things will settle down.


38 posted on 04/13/2009 9:53:00 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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To: MNlurker

A friend of mine left for a vacation a few days ago. Yes, to Thailand and other destinations.


39 posted on 04/13/2009 10:08:48 PM PDT by doug from upland (10 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Doe Eyes
Fortunately Oboooombi's administration & the EU are right on top of the situation with strong rhetoric. I'm sure that will quell the riots... sarc/

What do you think the response from the United States should be?

It was indicated as sarcasm, however with a strong element of truth to it. The point is, that Obooooombi & his fellow sniveling EU socialist counterparts do nothing BUT make empty, toothless, strongly worded protests. I think the enemies of America & freedom & liberty now break down into hysterical fits of laughter to see zero's "stern" gaze as he issues yet another "strongly worded protest".

What an idiot!!! We just had an example of that in the last 4 days when 4 teen age 16-19 yo terrorist pirates held the U.S. Navy at bay on zero's orders while he tried to negotiate the release of Captain Philips. Thank God for the courageous action of our U.S. Navy & the Seals for putting an end to this ludicrous standoff. I'm sure zero is privately furious at the killing of three Somalian fellow muzzies.

Another example last week of the N.Korean missle launch. Again the N Koreans are ROFLMAO's at the spectacle of zero threatening U.N. sanctions against N.Korea. They could walk up and slap him silly and he would apologize for being in the way of their fists. What an idiot toothless usurper!

By the way, I am not advocating that the U.S. involve itself in Thailand, but I simply laugh with scorn & derision as do most people every time zero issues another of his "strongly worded protests". What a frikkin pig commie usurper idiot zero is.

40 posted on 04/13/2009 10:44:24 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: jonno

Seems to me that a basic tenet of a news story is the ‘Why’?
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I had a grade school teacher who recited something like this;

I kept six honest serving men
they taught me all I knew
their names were how and what and when
and why and where and who

That seems to be out of style now.


41 posted on 04/14/2009 9:50:29 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Change has come to America and all hope is gone.)
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