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Defense secretary: Killed Somali pirates were "untrained" teenagers ("No Military Solution")
China View ^ | 4/13/2009 | Mu Xuequan

Posted on 04/13/2009 3:27:57 PM PDT by tobyhill

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Monday that three Somali pirates who were killed by the Navy's Seals to end a hostage crisis were "untrained" teenagers.

Addressing an audience at the Marine Corps War College in Quantico, Virginia, Gates said that the slain pirates, aged at between 17 to 19, were heavily armed but inexperienced.

They were shot dead on Sunday at the end of a five-day standoff with the U.S. military after they attacked a U.S.-flagged cargo ship about 400 kilometers away from Somali and held an American captain as hostage.

"As long as you've got this incredible number of poor people and the risks are relatively small, there's really no way in my view to control it unless you get something on land that begins to change the equation for these kids," Gates told students and faculty members.

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KEYWORDS: antiamerican; ashoura; bho44; bhodod; bhosecdef; hateamericafilth; liberals; maritime; pirates; quantico; robertgates; rop; somalipirates; trop
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1 posted on 04/13/2009 3:27:57 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Rummy, we need you back


2 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:22 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: tobyhill

well they will now not grow up to be trained killers


3 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:35 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: tobyhill

Lead changes equations especially from well trained American Military experts. Bill Ayers weeps.


4 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:37 PM PDT by junta (Not even respectable mainstream conservatives can save liberalism.)
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To: tobyhill

Midnight basketball.....yea, that will fix everything!


5 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:49 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: tobyhill

>Defense secretary: Killed Somali pirates were “untrained” teenagers.

Can we impeach him?


6 posted on 04/13/2009 3:29:55 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: tobyhill

You play, you pay.


7 posted on 04/13/2009 3:30:15 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: tobyhill

Good. As they say, if you’re in a fair fight, your tactics suck.


8 posted on 04/13/2009 3:30:28 PM PDT by marron
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To: tobyhill

Sounds like we just need to raise the risks for them...


9 posted on 04/13/2009 3:30:40 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tobyhill

whats the point???


10 posted on 04/13/2009 3:30:43 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: tobyhill
that three Somali pirates who were killed by the Navy's Seals to end a hostage crisis were "untrained" teenagers.

LOL! Oh, we have trained pirates now, do we?

11 posted on 04/13/2009 3:31:18 PM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: tobyhill

Maybe US taxpayers (or the UN, funded there from) can pony up the $$ to bring the pirates up to snuff, and that’ll make it fair.


12 posted on 04/13/2009 3:31:21 PM PDT by Bertha Fanation
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To: tobyhill

Good gawd...does it matter?


13 posted on 04/13/2009 3:31:45 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: junta
Gates says there is no military solution and Obama says he will combat them. I guess our military needs their bucket of spitballs back.
14 posted on 04/13/2009 3:31:45 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: tobyhill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9uo98lORhw&feature=related


15 posted on 04/13/2009 3:32:10 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9uo98lORhw&feature=related


16 posted on 04/13/2009 3:32:32 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Dear Mr. Gates:

We have lots of untrained teenagers with guns here too. They're called GANG MEMBERS! And they regularly KILL PEOPLE!

17 posted on 04/13/2009 3:32:47 PM PDT by Enterprise (Hey Pirates - you got yer asses kicked!)
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To: OneWingedShark
"Defense secretary: Killed Somali pirates were “untrained” teenagers."

Poor babies.

The mean ol USA shouldn't have had our dangerous ships out there in the first place. Afterall, Black (and Islamic) youts were playing there.

18 posted on 04/13/2009 3:33:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: tobyhill
"untrained teenagers"

Consider them schooled.

19 posted on 04/13/2009 3:33:08 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: tobyhill

Does this make Obama a war criminal?


20 posted on 04/13/2009 3:33:15 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: tobyhill
""As long as you've got this incredible number of poor people..."

Why do I see a new welfare program compliments of the American public? Sorry they are poor, that doesn't give them the right to commit piracy. As far as being young, it would seem they are beyond their years compared to our pampered teens.

21 posted on 04/13/2009 3:33:29 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: tobyhill
What about the pirates that the French killed? Were they untrained? Do we care? When does a bad man with a gun pointed at your head suddenly require training to be considered legitimate?

They should shut up and tally the win.

22 posted on 04/13/2009 3:34:00 PM PDT by catbertz
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To: tobyhill

When do we get to see the videos of the grieving parents, aunts and uncles, sisters and brothers?


23 posted on 04/13/2009 3:34:18 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: tobyhill

> “As long as you’ve got this incredible number of poor people and the risks are relatively small, there’s really no way in my view to control it unless you get something on land that begins to change the equation for these kids,” Gates told students and faculty members.

Well that makes sense. Why don’t we send some troops to distribute food in Somalia?

Oh right, now I remember.


24 posted on 04/13/2009 3:34:18 PM PDT by bluejay
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To: t1b8zs
Ask Gates who brought it up and then claims there is no military solution for the problem.
Teach them Ebonics and build rec centers will keep them from a life of piracy. /sarc
25 posted on 04/13/2009 3:34:43 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: tobyhill

What, as opposed to highly trained teenagers? Would it be OK then, or not? Or worse? I do not understand the point he is trying to make.


26 posted on 04/13/2009 3:35:33 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: tobyhill
What's the point, Gates?

Are we over trained and too qualified to compete with these thugs? They are the enemy - we don't need to empathize with them, we need to kill them. That is what the military does. Let the U.N. wring their hands and put warriors in charge of the military.

27 posted on 04/13/2009 3:35:37 PM PDT by Never on my watch (True diplomacy is a well-placed bullet.)
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To: pissant
I loved Rumsfeld, and I was shocked at how much criticism he received here. I wonder how his detractors feel now?
28 posted on 04/13/2009 3:35:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tobyhill

And that matters?

Gates needs to go!


29 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:09 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: tobyhill

“Momma don’t let your babies grow up to be pirates-—

“So its up against the wall Muslim pirates”

Any other lyrics in this mess?


30 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:12 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: tobyhill
A dead muslim terrorrist is a dead muslim terrorist, regardless what age.


31 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:26 PM PDT by South40 (Obama lied; the economy died.)
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To: tobyhill
( Defense secretary: Killed Somali pirates were “untrained” teenagers ):

SO what they are saying IS ??
That they shot 3 untrained children ? .... Obama sent out orders to shoot 3 untrained innocent children ?
32 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:43 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: tobyhill
If you put a gun to someone's head, don't expect my sympathy because you hoped for a different outcome than your death...

As for being teenagers, so what?

33 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:25 PM PDT by Thommas
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To: Interesting Times
Interesting Point. Obama was quick to take the credit for “allowing” the rescue attempt, like any other CIC would have done, so he should answer to the possibility.
34 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:29 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: trisham

There were things that Rummy did that I did not agree with. I remember Duncan Hunter tussling with him a couple of times. However, the one thing that was so refreshing was his utter lack of political correctness and his handling of the fools in the media.


35 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:30 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: tobyhill

BOO FREEPIN’ HOO!!


36 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:39 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: tobyhill

One of these thugs had a weapon to the back of the captain. A weapon that could have been armed. Don’t tell me it was unnecessary to take him out! Anyway I don’t remember the left having that problem with the Waco siege.


37 posted on 04/13/2009 3:37:55 PM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: bill1952

Libs think that guns kill people, and want gun control in America.

But, in the rest of the world, they concentrate on the PEOPLE with guns, and not on the guns!


38 posted on 04/13/2009 3:38:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: tobyhill
"As long as you've got this incredible number of poor people and the risks are relatively small, there's really no way in my view to control it unless you get something on land that begins to change the equation for these kids," Gates told students and faculty members.

Well, Gates has become a card carrying member of the "root causes" school of criminal and terrorist action. And the fact that these guys were 17 - 19 is not all that remarkable. The average age of Americans who served in Vietnam was 19.

I wonder just what point he was trying to make, and why he thought it worth mentioning at this stage in this incident?

39 posted on 04/13/2009 3:38:04 PM PDT by Will88
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To: tobyhill
"As long as you've got this incredible number of poor people and the risks are relatively small, there's really no way in my view to control it unless you get something on land that begins to change the equation for these kids," Gates told students and faculty members.

Very simple solution to the problem. Take the actions needed to make the risks relatively large instead of relatively small and the problem disappears.

40 posted on 04/13/2009 3:38:31 PM PDT by Wissa (I despise the liberal media.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thats a slap in the face of all those who took part in this.
My God, what have we done.


41 posted on 04/13/2009 3:38:43 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: tobyhill

“Well, it got so that every piss-ant prairie punk who thought he could shoot a gun would ride into town to try out the Waco Kid. I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. It got pretty gritty. I started to hear the word “draw” in my sleep.

“Then one day, I was just walking down the street when I heard a voice behind me say, “Reach for it, mister!” I spun around... and there I was, face-to-face with a six-year old kid. Well, I just threw my guns down and walked away.

“Little bastard shot me in the ass.”

— An important lesson about “kids with guns”, from the movie Blazing Saddles.


42 posted on 04/13/2009 3:38:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: americanophile

Schooled in the KORAN!

(Which tells these Muslim kids to KILL and to PLUNDER the infidels)


43 posted on 04/13/2009 3:39:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: tobyhill
"As long as you've got this incredible number of poor people and the risks are relatively small there's really no way in my view to control it unless you get something on land that begins to change the equation for these kids,"

Isn't the obvious answer to make the risks relatively large, as in shooting them dead?

44 posted on 04/13/2009 3:39:26 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget (July 4, 2009 see you there))
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To: jazusamo

Gates basically made that case as if it does matter. He almost excuses their behavior being they were teenagers and poor.


45 posted on 04/13/2009 3:39:38 PM PDT by tobyhill ("Hope and Change" is so overrated!)
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To: tobyhill

On the Job Training?!


46 posted on 04/13/2009 3:40:15 PM PDT by bushwon (Wonder if our founding fathers would even recognize the USA?!)
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To: tobyhill

In the sense that there probably is no ‘school for piracy’, then Gates is probably right. It is still an idiotic statement, however. A fast boat, an AK, and a will to commit mayhem is all that is required. It’s also time to consider what would have happened, Sec. Gates, if 1 of our highly trained snipers had missed. You would probably have been thrown under Obama’s bus.


47 posted on 04/13/2009 3:40:22 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: pissant

These pirates need midnight basketball....


48 posted on 04/13/2009 3:40:50 PM PDT by llevrok (I would rather die, standing up and fighting, than to be on my knees, begging)
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To: Yorlik803

>Thats a slap in the face of all those who took part in this.
>My God, what have we done.

The guy’s statement, or my suggestion of impeaching him?


49 posted on 04/13/2009 3:40:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pissant; trisham
the one thing that was so refreshing was his utter lack of political correctness and his handling of the fools in the media.

Yes, I miss Rumsfeld.

50 posted on 04/13/2009 3:41:08 PM PDT by marron
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