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Biodiesel Star Running On Empty
Forbes ^ | April 2, 2009 | Rebecca Buckman

Posted on 04/14/2009 11:28:15 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: rednesss

It dropped below $2 for a while here in Houston but that’s ove....

The $1.50 is about average wholesale lately...


21 posted on 04/14/2009 12:30:40 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
And with all that money on the line. Amazing....isn't it.

You'd be surprised at the assumptions made to justify a flawed business plan. The "it's cool and makes me feel good" factor should never be underestimated!

Look at the bankruptcies of Iridium and Globalstar satellite systems, for example. They were among several companies (including similar satellite systems that never got off the ground) who assumed that they'd be able to tap that huge untapped customer base in the equatorial regions, where most of the world's population lives (in abject poverty, for the most part).

The rational business mind says that if they don't have land-lines now, they don't have the money to buy into an expensive satellite system. Another rational business mind might have pointed out that cell phone systems are a lot cheaper to build and maintain than a big constellation of satellites. Either way, a little sustained thought would have told those folks that the idea wouldn't make any money.

But, just as with bio-fuels, the touchy-feely aspects of "serving the under-served" was a huge factor in those companies' thinking.

They got billions of dollars in investment capital, and of course it all evaporated. But it sounded cool at the time.

22 posted on 04/14/2009 12:30:53 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; Hacklehead
They run the numbers... A buddy was in on an Ethanol Plant. With the federal grants and subsidies it would have been a go until corn went threw the roof.

It isn't the original numbers but the escalation that happens when they run feed stock demand up...

23 posted on 04/14/2009 12:33:57 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: r9etb
You'd be surprised at the assumptions made to justify a flawed business plan. The "it's cool and makes me feel good" factor should never be underestimated!

Absolutely!

24 posted on 04/14/2009 12:35:41 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
I have a nice, straight east-west drive to work in an area where we frequently have very strong winds from the north.

I can imagine how fun it would be driving/flying in formation with a bunch of other folks who are fighting the cross-wind....

25 posted on 04/14/2009 12:39:19 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: El Laton Caliente

“They run the numbers... A buddy was in on an Ethanol Plant. With the federal grants and subsidies it would have been a go until corn went threw the roof. It isn’t the original numbers but the escalation that happens when they run feed stock demand up...”

The original numbers were based on assumptions that were clearly and predictably wrong. An impartial and responsible evaluation takes that into account. Just because the feedstock is cheap today doesnt mean it will be cheap tomorrow. Prices are not constant. Likewise the cost of competing fuels might drop. This is what happened in the 70’s. Oil prices went sky high and govts invested billions in alternative fuels. Then OPEC lowered the oil price and crushed their competition, just like today. It is almost impossible to synthesize an alternative fuel that is cost competitive with something you just pump out of the ground and heat.


26 posted on 04/14/2009 1:11:13 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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WA ping


27 posted on 04/14/2009 1:27:37 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: reaganaut1
Typcial left wing sicientific and business model i.e. bad science, bad business model, only feeling good about some emotional buzzwords such a renewable energy and saving the planet.
28 posted on 04/14/2009 1:36:53 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: rednesss
priced around $1.50 wholesale

It means buying in big time bulk and before taxes.

New York Harbor No 2 Diesel Low Sulfur Spot Price

U.S. Gulf Coast No 2 Diesel Low Sulfur Spot Price

Los Angeles, CA No 2 Diesel Spot Price

29 posted on 04/14/2009 1:48:01 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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I agree, that's close to what I told him when he took the job. Clearly any industry that relies on Government Grants and Subsidies cannot survive long term if any alternate is available.

The rail system has no real alternative and it survives while ethanol and bio-diesel have competition and are faltering...

30 posted on 04/14/2009 1:53:03 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

31 posted on 04/14/2009 3:05:18 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (What new from the Thief-in-Chief?)
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