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Obama Weighs Airing CIA Tactics
Wall Street Journal ^

Posted on 04/14/2009 5:10:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama Weighs Airing CIA Tactics Top Officials at Odds Over Whether to Withhold Some Details in Interrogation Memos

By EVAN PEREZ and SIOBHAN GORMAN

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is leaning toward keeping secret some graphic details of tactics allowed in Central Intelligence Agency interrogations, despite a push by some top officials to make the information public, according to people familiar with the discussions.

These people cautioned that President Barack Obama is still reviewing internal arguments over the release of Justice Department memorandums related to CIA interrogations, and how much information will be made public is in flux.

Among the details in the still-classified memos is approval for a technique in which a prisoner's head could be struck against a wall as long as the head was being held and the force of the blow was controlled by the interrogator, according to people familiar with the memos. Another approved tactic was waterboarding, or simulated drowning.

A decision to keep secret key parts of the three 2005 memos outlining legal guidance on CIA interrogations would anger some Obama supporters who have pushed him to unveil now-abandoned Bush-era tactics. It would also go against the views of Attorney General Eric Holder and White House Counsel Greg Craig, people familiar with the matter said.

Top CIA officials have spoken out strongly against a full release, saying it would undermine the agency's credibility with foreign intelligence services and hurt the agency's work force, people involved in the discussions said. However, Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair favors releasing the information, a senior administration official said.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhocia; cia; detainees; first100days; interrogation; looselips; nationalinsecurity; obama; roguecia; terrorism; terrorists; wot
I'll be right back after i get done screaming in the backyard....
1 posted on 04/14/2009 5:10:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

why is releasing the information so important to them?

Are they not aware that we are in an ongoing war that may well last for a generation??

The less the enemy knows, the better for our people - our nation!!


2 posted on 04/14/2009 5:14:36 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: elpadre

red meat to the base?


3 posted on 04/14/2009 5:15:24 PM PDT by Sub-Driver (Proud member of the Republican wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Sub-Driver
We've really gotta' get back control of the government so we can try Obamistas like Craig and Holder for treason.

That' what those pukes ought to have on their minds ~ a big fat noose at the end of their terms.

4 posted on 04/14/2009 5:15:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elpadre
Are they not aware that we are in an ongoing war that may well last for a generation??

War? What war? Are you referring to the overseas contingency operation?

5 posted on 04/14/2009 5:16:32 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: Sub-Driver

I don’t know what to say anymore. If I said some of what I think, I’d have the door knocked down in about 5 minutes.


6 posted on 04/14/2009 5:16:49 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Sub-Driver
Top CIA officials have spoken out strongly against a full release, saying it would undermine the agency's credibility with foreign intelligence services and hurt the agency's work force, people involved in the discussions said.

Gosh, They are begining to understand, elections have consequences, and consequences are the natural result of risky behavior.

7 posted on 04/14/2009 5:17:09 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President)
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To: Sub-Driver

Be careful not to violate the Community Decibel Limit.


8 posted on 04/14/2009 5:18:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Sub-Driver

Zero is a A GREAT BIG ZERO! Buy a CLUE, Zero!


9 posted on 04/14/2009 5:20:04 PM PDT by A. Morgan (The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Mikey_1962; Sub-Driver
Top CIA officials have spoken out strongly against a full release, saying it would undermine the agency's credibility with foreign intelligence services and hurt the agency's work force, people involved in the discussions said.

Gee, wonder what Valerie Plame thinks?

10 posted on 04/14/2009 5:20:39 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Sub-Driver
Looks like these a-holes are headed for another Church Committee style attack on the CIA. That crippled us for years.
11 posted on 04/14/2009 5:20:41 PM PDT by colorado tanker (What do you mean you can't put a teleprompter on a Easter egg? What do I say to the kids?)
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To: Sub-Driver

> I’ll be right back after i get done screaming in the backyard....
I’ll be right beside you drowning you out ...


12 posted on 04/14/2009 5:21:24 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Everyday the news just gets worst. Just think it has been less than 100 days. I cannot imagine where we will be in 4 years.


13 posted on 04/14/2009 5:21:45 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: elpadre
Are they not aware that we are in an ongoing war that may well last for a generation??

Their war is with American conservatives, not Islamic radicals.

14 posted on 04/14/2009 5:22:24 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m sure the folks who do the “dirty work” at the CIA will be thrilled with this!

Obama is looking for trouble, IMO.


15 posted on 04/14/2009 5:23:00 PM PDT by airborne (Obama is finishing what Osama started! The destruction of the American economy!!!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Gee, why not just require CIA agents to wear tee-shirts with CIA on the back in 8” letters.


16 posted on 04/14/2009 5:23:44 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (To stand up for Capitalism is to hope Teleprompter Boy fails.)
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To: Sub-Driver
God help me for saying this but I hope the people who want this released get their comeuppance, one way or another. Preferably through terrorism.
17 posted on 04/14/2009 5:24:24 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Sub-Driver

Uh, Treason, Impeachment...


18 posted on 04/14/2009 5:31:19 PM PDT by prismsinc (A.K.A. "The Terminator"!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Thanks for posting the article.


“despite a push by some top officials to make the information public”


Who are the ‘top officials’ who want to do this????


19 posted on 04/14/2009 5:34:05 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Sub-Driver
"Despite a push"?? Who the hell is going to help the CIA if they get their Name ,Picture.and address in the New York Times the very next day. Great move Zippy.
20 posted on 04/14/2009 5:36:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Sub-Driver

“We want to maximize the amount of information available to the American people,” said a senior administration official involved in the discussions...”
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Oh yeah? I guess this means maximize the amount of information available that would severly damage national security or put other people’s lives at risk, but certainly not information regarding obama, his college years, his place of birth, his former employment, his previous and current associations, or the content of pending legislation.


21 posted on 04/14/2009 5:40:40 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Sub-Driver

” Top CIA officials have spoken out strongly against a full release, saying it would undermine the agency’s credibility with foreign intelligence services and hurt the agency’s work force,”

Which is precisely why Soetero will release it.
He’s not fighting Islamic terrorists,
he’s now fighting law abiding Americans.
He won’t waterboard Osama bin Laden,but,
he’ll waterboard some little old lady from Operation Rescue.


22 posted on 04/14/2009 5:43:41 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Sub-Driver

Do not do that, bite your tongue, wince, shed a few silent tears but the backyard might be too public, they might be watching you.


23 posted on 04/14/2009 5:50:06 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Sub-Driver

Keeping a list I hope....dates, what he did , pros and cons, damage done short term and long term etc ........I plan on printing up flyers and dropping em from 10,000 feet AGL once a week, 30 days prior to 2010 elections.

Why congress HAS to be taken back against this poser precedent per se !~


24 posted on 04/14/2009 6:08:20 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hey....Hey.....they got a new dog....who CARES about anything else!! Please!


25 posted on 04/14/2009 6:13:54 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Soooo...where is the LEFT EXACTLY?
Are these not the same people that HOWLED over Valerie Plame (an analyst, not an operative) when she was supposedly outed?
And by her own husband none the less?

This is subterfuge by the Whitehouse of the CIA. Wonder how that left leaning department feels now?

26 posted on 04/14/2009 6:19:32 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Mikey_1962
They are begining to understand, elections have consequences

That was no election - it was phase one of a coup.

27 posted on 04/14/2009 6:38:00 PM PDT by LouD
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To: Sub-Driver

Why not publish the information these scumbags gave up after a couple of knocks to the head.


28 posted on 04/14/2009 6:51:07 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: Sub-Driver; Buckhead; jveritas

Look, this WSJ article is professional disinformation. I can tell you that **for certain** because Eric Holder doesn’t want the CIA techniques released (that point is in the article, too).

I know Eric Holder. He is a treasonous, partisan, radical left-wing SOB. The only...and I mean the only...reason that Eric Holder doesn’t want the CIA techniques released is because the actual techniques used are pleasure, not pain.

Ecstasy, not fear.

Which is to say, Eric Holder doesn’t want the CIA interrogation techniques released because the real field methods in use are the **OPPOSITE** of what the Left lied about while Bush was President.

Our CIA uses drugs like ecstasy, caffeine, Nitrous Oxide, as well as powerful human connections/sentiment. Waterboarding was never used, that’s a cover story.

If you’ve ever gone to a college rave and seen the girl who couldn’t keep from hugging you (and who likewise won’t shut up) because she’s hopped up on Red Bull and X, then you’ve got some idea of what *really* goes on at Gitmo.

...and Eric Holder doesn’t want the world to know that the Left has been lying all along about the techniques used by the CIA under Bush.

This, I promise you.


29 posted on 04/14/2009 6:51:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Thanks Southack for that information. Very interesting, indeed.


30 posted on 04/14/2009 7:05:22 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: Southack

Interesting stuff.


31 posted on 04/14/2009 7:15:41 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The smallest minority on earth is the 'individual'.)
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To: muawiyah

Not unless we have a sea change... a ground swell. A paradigm changer. Something big.


32 posted on 04/14/2009 7:17:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: tiki

We on this sight are all soooo screwed.


33 posted on 04/14/2009 7:19:22 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: ichabod1
A real coup perhaps (recalling that Obama dithered around three days before he figured out that under his new standing orders the Navy needed a specific authorization to save the Captain).

That kind of stuff doesn't set well with the military irrespective of their personal political beliefs.

34 posted on 04/14/2009 7:25:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elpadre
No, Obama is only aware of "Man Made Disasters". There is no war. Never was. September 11, 2001 was just in the imagination of right wing nut cases who suffered a collective hallucination on that day. /s
35 posted on 04/14/2009 10:04:45 PM PDT by Chgogal (Don't look at me, Comrade. You elected him, our very own President Mugabe!)
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To: elpadre

BO could give a chit less about our nation. He is a goat loving Mooselimb terrorist POS.


36 posted on 04/15/2009 7:23:14 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year military veteran of Navy, Air Force, and Army.)
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To: Southack

Have you seen this?:

Torture of detainees at Guantanamo Bay has been systematic, extensive and a matter of deliberate policy, says a report originally prepared in 2007 by the International Committee of the Red Cross. Obtained by journalist Mark Danner, the report, which detailed the complicity of medical personnel in the mistreatment of detainees, has been posted online (PDF) by the New York Review of Books.

Techniques practiced at Guantanamo and elsewhere on the 14 detainees examined in the 41-page report include suffocation by water, prolonged standing with arms chained above their heads, beatings, confinement in a box, sleep deprivation and other tactics that involve both physical and psychological abuse. While written in somewhat technical terms, the report emphasizes that the detainees’ treatment “amounted to torture and/or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.”


37 posted on 04/15/2009 11:49:33 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

At best it’s a cover story. At worst it’s lies by the Left.

My trusted friend has been inside those specific interrogations at Gitmo, and pleasure drugs+tactics were used exclusively.

Never pain.


38 posted on 04/15/2009 1:49:44 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Fascinating, but consistent with the best practices in interrogation.

I wonder why let the lie run? It simply makes us look bad and the Bush Admin. did little to counter it. Did they think it better not to let the most effective techniques out?


39 posted on 04/15/2009 2:10:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Exactly.


40 posted on 04/15/2009 2:15:42 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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