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BEST team arrests 2 men who allegedly tried to smuggle guns into Mexico
ICE.GOV - News Release ^ | April 14, 2009 | n/a

Posted on 04/15/2009 1:45:24 AM PDT by Cindy

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April 14, 2009

BEST team arrests 2 men who allegedly tried to smuggle guns into Mexico Mexican nationals were willing to pay $2 million for cache of automatic weapons

El Paso, Texas - Two men were arrested April 11 by members of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement-led (ICE) Border Security Enforcement Task Force (BEST) after they tried to buy automatic weapons and ammunition to smuggle into Mexico.

In December 2008, the El Paso Police Department provided information to BEST team members that led to a joint investigation and resulted in the arrests. Las Cruces Police Department and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (ATF) Las Cruces office also participated in the case.

Osvaldo Tostado-Gonzalez, 31, and Gabriel Gonzalez-Gonzalez, 38, both of Guadalajara, Mexico, were arrested after they arrived in El Paso to negotiate the final payment for a cache of firearms they intended to illegally export to Mexico, according to a criminal complaint.

The two men met with undercover agents Dec. 20 to provide a detailed list of automatic firearms and ammunition they wanted to buy. The weapons and ammunition were valued at about $2 million. BEST agents and El Paso police detectives seized $148,045 in cash Jan. 29 that Tostado-Gonzalez and Gonzalez-Gonzalez provided as a down payment for the weapons they planned to buy.

Among the weapons on their list were: 300 AR-15 or AR-16 rifles, 300 short-barreled .223 rifles, 10 Barrett .50-caliber rifles, two 40-millimeter grenade machineguns, 10 .45-caliber handguns with silencers, 10 .40-caliber handguns with silencers, and a large amount of ammunition of various calibers.

According to a criminal complaint, both men met with undercover agents in February and March and inspected the firearms they planned to buy.

"The success of BEST is due to the seamless cooperation among federal and local law enforcement agencies, and the sharing of intelligence and information about criminal activity that threatens border security," said Manuel Oyola-Torres, acting special agent in charge of the ICE Office of Investigations in El Paso. "This partnership is a force multiplier that makes our ICE efforts that much more effective against criminal organizations."

Tostado-Gonzalez and Gonzalez-Gonzalez made their initial appearance in federal court Monday. Their detention hearing is set for 10 a.m. April 16 before U.S. Magistrate Judge Norbert J. Garney.

ICE is charged with enforcing a wide array of laws, including those related to securing the border and combating criminal smuggling. BEST members routinely conduct joint operations with other federal, state and local law enforcement agencies, which join forces and authority at the ports of entry, to prevent U.S. currency, weapons and technology from being illegally exported into Mexico.

BEST is a U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), ICE-led national initiative created along the U.S.-Mexico border. BEST in El Paso was formed in October 2006, and is one of 15 such teams nationwide.

El Paso's BEST members include: ICE; U.S. Customs and Border Protection's Border Patrol and Office of Field Operations; the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA); the U.S. Department of State; the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF); the El Paso County Sheriff's Office; the El Paso Police Department, and the U.S. Attorney's Office, Western District of Texas.

Officers from federal, state and local law enforcement agencies are collocated in the task force to share information. This close coordination among law enforcement agencies also helps identify and eliminate cross-border criminal organizations, such as drug and alien smuggling networks, and their supporting infrastructures that sustain them.

-- ICE --


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; elpaso; gonzalez; gonzalezgonzalez; guadalajara; guns; mexico; narcoterror; terrorists; texas; tostadogonzalez

1 posted on 04/15/2009 1:45:24 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
Somehow, I doubt that there were any automatic rifles in the entire bunch

two 40-millimeter grenade machineguns,

Wake me up when they start making those. - I want a 40-millimeter grenade machinegun...

2 posted on 04/15/2009 1:52:38 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Cindy
So the US Federal Government can set these Mexican guys up, show them the "goods" (arms the average American firearms enthusiast could only dream of owning, but not likely ever be able to buy), and take the money and bust them.

Okay. I don't so much have a problem with that.

What I DO have a problem with is the idea that this will be brayed as one more excuse to attempt to ban the paltry rifles we can buy, because it will be used as "evidence" that Mexicans are smuggling in arms from the US.

3 posted on 04/15/2009 1:52:50 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Pretty bad when ICE doesn’t know the difference between “automatic weapons” and semi-auto AR-15s, etc. You don’t suppose they’d deliberately use the scariest terms they can think up, do you?

TC


4 posted on 04/15/2009 1:56:59 AM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck; Smokin' Joe

I’ve never heard of an M-16 referred to as an “AR-16 rifle”. They will pump this up for maximum propaganda. I seriously doubt if there were any weapons at all to begin with. Just a sting, which I think is great. It will be spun by the MSM that the deal was just about to go down and ICE/BATF stepped in at the last moment to save the day.

We’re off to a TEA Party. You all have a nice day.


5 posted on 04/15/2009 2:07:30 AM PDT by panaxanax (Reward paid for any Harvard Yearbook with pictures of 0bama in it.)
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To: bill1952
Um, they do make them.

Heckler & Koch GMG, a modern 40 mm automatic grenade launcher of the German Army

Ours is called the Mark 19, Launcher, Automatic, Grenade and has been around since 1966.

Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher.

6 posted on 04/15/2009 2:10:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Never mind the fact that the 40mm grenade launchers have *never* been sold to civilians ever....


7 posted on 04/15/2009 2:11:01 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“it will be used as “evidence” that Mexicans are smuggling in arms from the US.”

Actually, there’s no real evidence of anything! Just a set up. I’m glad they got the guys too. But evidence of anything? “We don’t need no steenking evidence!”


8 posted on 04/15/2009 2:13:57 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Sort of jumps out at you really quick doesn't it? The Government sets up a sting to bust people for buying weapons that Americans can't buy, and tries to use it as an excuse to restrict legal weapons they can buy. And the brain dead goofyloo reporters go merrily along with it.
9 posted on 04/15/2009 2:17:12 AM PDT by Enterprise (Hey Pirates - you got yer asses kicked!)
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To: Spktyr

Nice! Now I’m wondering what type of rifles were involved? AR’s (semi-auto like your dear rifle) or actual M-16 style automatics.

I guess it really doesn’t matter. They were never going across the border, and the media will call them whatever they want to, and the sheeple will buy it.


10 posted on 04/15/2009 2:26:48 AM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: bill1952
WAKE UP

Here you go

11 posted on 04/15/2009 3:51:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Spktyr; from occupied ga

Wow. I want one.

Might be a bit heavy to redeploy quickly, but I still want one!
I have to study up on more exotic arms...


12 posted on 04/15/2009 4:08:31 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

Usually best employed from vehicles.

In simulations, my favorite use is to set up a HMMWV with one of these behind the crest of a hill with just the top of the gunner’s head clearing the hill (and giving him a line of sight to the target). When the enemy appears, use the indirect fire capabilities to lob a few grenades into them - and before the last one lands, the HMMWV leaves for the next ambush site.... Best of all, since they have indirect and direct fire capability, they have no real minimum range. :D


13 posted on 04/15/2009 4:18:29 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bill1952

There was a youtube video of a misfire on one of these things - round blew in the gun - not a pretty sight. I’m not sure I’d want one, but that’s just my personal preference for not wanting explosive ordinance around the house. Rather have ma deuce or the russkie 14.5 kpv heavy machine gun.


14 posted on 04/15/2009 4:18:47 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
Pretty bad when ICE doesn’t know the difference between “automatic weapons” and semi-auto AR-15s, etc.

I know one ICE employee, ex-military, and who definitely knows the difference. My bet is the reporter did not.

15 posted on 04/15/2009 4:25:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, the person who wrote up the press relesae. Either that or the obfustication may be intentional.


16 posted on 04/15/2009 4:27:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
My bet is the reporter did not.

Dunno about that. Why does everyone assume ignorance in the media, when it is obvious that malice and a deliberate attempt to deceive is what is really happening.

17 posted on 04/15/2009 4:28:24 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga
I've wondered what would be useful to stop armor. The armor that would likely to be used against us in a civil disturbance, I mean.

Take this scene for example

This could easily be deployed against "right wing radicals" - after all, it already has been deployed against civilians, and that included killing women and 20 children, in America...

18 posted on 04/15/2009 4:49:06 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bill1952

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/mk19.htm

They make them, it is a military only item...


19 posted on 04/15/2009 4:49:19 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: from occupied ga
Occam's Razor.

I generally do not ascribe to conspiracy what mere stupidity will suffice to explain.

It may well be that the deception and obfustication are intentional and malicious, though.

20 posted on 04/15/2009 5:00:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Spktyr

Well, if HK makes it, then we KNOW civilians don’t have ‘em.

HK: You Suck, and We Hate You!


21 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:05 AM PDT by ForeignDude
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To: ForeignDude

It’s not HK’s fault that 99% of their semiauto rifle line is banned from importation into the US...


22 posted on 04/15/2009 5:11:48 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bill1952

Plastic explosive formed into shaped charges buried in the street or under faux manhole covers.

Like an IED, but unlike most of the Iraqi IEDs, not built by idiots and not relying on masses of explosive.

Failing that, something to blow the tracks off.


23 posted on 04/15/2009 5:14:19 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
"Never mind the fact that the 40mm grenade launchers have *never* been sold to civilians ever...."

You can buy a M79 or a M203 (single shot) grenade launcher from any Class III FFL with a DD (destructive device) license if you can get the ATF Form 3 (tax paid transfer) signed off by your chief LEO and your state laws allow it. Another way is to buy the receiver only on a 4473 (firearm transfer) and then activate it by installing the 40mm barrel which requires a Form 1 (making a NFA weapon). It will cost you a $200.00 federal transfer or making tax on top of the purchase price in either case. 40mm "practice" ammo is no problem getting ($$$) but the HE ammo (grenades) are DDs themselves and require a Form 3 and $200.00 tax per round.

24 posted on 04/15/2009 5:30:22 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: bill1952
two 40-millimeter grenade machineguns,

Wake me up when they start making those. - I want a 40-millimeter grenade machinegun...

Mk.19 Automatic Grenade Launcher. Belt fed, fires 40mm grenades.

Of course, this article was written by the media, so we have no idea if this is correct or not, but there is such a thing... They're quite nifty! Of course, this isn't the sort of thing you can buy at a typical gun show or store. In fact, they conveniently leave out the fact that NONE of these weapons are commonly available at gun stores or for purchase by civilians.

Mark

25 posted on 04/15/2009 5:34:54 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: panaxanax
I’ve never heard of an M-16 referred to as an “AR-16 rifle”.

It's more powerful than an AR-15. Sort of like being able to turn the volume up to "11."

Mark

26 posted on 04/15/2009 5:36:07 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: bill1952; Spktyr; from occupied ga
Wow. I want one.

It would be nice, wouldn't it? But unless you can find one that was licensed to a civilian before 1986, you'll never be able to own one legally. Besides the fact that it's considered a destructive device by the ATF (and I think it may also be classified as modern artillery, due to the 40mm bore), the fact that it's an automatic weapon means that any manufactured after 1986 can't be licensed to a civilian.

Mark

27 posted on 04/15/2009 5:39:52 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Spktyr
It’s not HK’s fault that 99% of their semiauto rifle line is banned from importation into the US...

I've long dreamed of a matching pair of HK-91 and HK-93s.

Mark

28 posted on 04/15/2009 5:42:21 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

I will gladly settle for a semi :^D but for the reasons that you stated, I doubt that we are going to have access to any.

At what point does a weapon become illegal?
Are cannons and such allowed?


29 posted on 04/15/2009 5:48:44 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: El Laton Caliente
They make them, it is a military only item...

So how do you get a "military only" item to smuggle into Mexico? You would need help from the GOVERMENT. You don't suppose the GOVERNMENT is leaking these weapons so they can be caught at the border ... therefore giving fuel and excuses for more gun control in the USA? (I wouldn't put them past it).

30 posted on 04/15/2009 6:03:00 AM PDT by DHC-2 (I)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This story really smells like a set up. Never forget, the press is in full cahoots with the dims in charge now and have the same agenda. The whole theory that the mexican cartels are being armed by US federally controlled gun stores in Texas and Arizona is complete bovine remains. Connect the dots. This is so well coordinated. Pelosi just announced that she dosn’t want to take our firearms, just to register them. Home land security is sending agents to Houston to look for illegal gun dealers that are “arming the Mexican gangs”. The press has been reporting on stories of shootings just before all this happens. (Pittstburgh, New York State (Wait, guns are strictly controlled in New York State, how could that happen?)). What really infuriates me is that while Mexico is collapsing and the real threat of millions of refugees coming over the border, OUR country is trying to disarm us. I suppose you will have a cop/federale on every street? Yeah right, they will be pointing their arms at us because we are a bunch of right wing extremists. (Another coordinated point). I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK. MY CHILDREN DO NOT DESERVE THIS.


31 posted on 04/15/2009 6:04:45 AM PDT by Texas resident
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To: Texas resident
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK. MY CHILDREN DO NOT DESERVE THIS.

Sure it is a set-up. It is carefully choreographed to try to sway the ignorant among us with a relentless barrage of 'eeevil guns', slaughter in the streets, and even somehow the nutcase idea that American gunowners are responsible for the carnage in Mexico.

The latter is a hoot, because it was the US Government offering to sell arms to Mexicans (drug lords??) that Americans can't even own.

Only the ignorant will fall for this, the rest of the population is fuming.

Hopefully, the proportion of ignorant people here is not as bad as the results of the last election would have one believe.

33 posted on 04/15/2009 6:30:07 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“What I DO have a problem with is the idea that this will be brayed as one more excuse to attempt to ban the paltry rifles we can buy, because it will be used as “evidence” that Mexicans are smuggling in arms from the US. “

If the Mexicans are crossing the border to buy guns, apparently they don’t have a network or a clue where to buy them. Since if they did, they would not have been busted by ICE for attempting to buy them from undercover agents.

The question is, for whom were the alleged Mexicans working? For all we know, this could be two different sting ops by two different agencies, both looking for a border gun bust. Oh yea, it happens.


34 posted on 04/15/2009 6:41:43 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: DHC-2

This was Federal Law Enfourcement borrowing arms from the Military as bait for Mexican Arms Buyer... Now the Administration and Reporters are spinning it...

Those arms were never available to the public.


35 posted on 04/15/2009 7:10:36 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: bill1952
At what point does a weapon become illegal? Are cannons and such allowed?

I know that "historical" artillery is legal, like muzzle loading cannons used in civil war demonstrations. I believe that the maximum bore size for "modern" firearms and such is 20mm. Of course, I could be wrong, but I do know that you used to be able to legally buy 20mm anti-tank "rifles."

Mark

36 posted on 04/15/2009 7:19:04 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Each HE round would also require a $200 tax stamp.


37 posted on 04/15/2009 7:50:13 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: takenoprisoner
For all we know, this could be two different sting ops by two different agencies, both looking for a border gun bust. Oh yea, it happens

Yes, it does. A friend in High School, long long ago and far away, went to a party, and got a bad 'vibe'. He went to the can and out the window. When the 'big bust' went down, he was the only one (no longer) in the room who was not a narc.

38 posted on 04/15/2009 9:40:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cindy

Anyone trying to sell you a machine gun without an FFA+tax stamp is a Fed trying to bust you into hardcore prison.

It’s like the new White guy who walks into our militia meetings...he’s always the one who wants to go bomb a Federal building instead of simply smoking cigars and drinking Shine with the rest of us (”Hey, we’re on patrol!”).

Always a Fed.

Time and again the *same* traps from the same agents or their new replacements.

You see, too many people are *obeying* the law. To end that problem, the Feds need traps.


39 posted on 04/15/2009 9:46:14 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Cindy; GulfBreeze; rellimpank; AH_LiveRight; BGHater; nbhunt; La Lydia; jafojeffsurf; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


40 posted on 04/15/2009 11:23:12 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Mexico - beyond your expectations.)
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To: bruoz

I meant that the Mk19 automatic grenade launchers were never sold on the US civilian market.


41 posted on 04/15/2009 11:45:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Ping!


42 posted on 04/15/2009 9:32:22 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: bill1952

It’s the MK-19 automatic grenade launcher...


43 posted on 04/15/2009 9:33:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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