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Ten High-Tech Weapons to Repel Pirates
Fox News ^ | April 15, 2009 | Paul Wagenseil

Posted on 04/15/2009 9:16:52 AM PDT by Ben Mugged

How does a small gang of lightly armed Somali pirates hijack a modern cargo ship?

Speed and weaponry, mainly. Modern pirates, whether off the coast of Somalia or in the crowded shipping lanes of southeast Asia, typically use fast speedboats to zoom up to the sterns of slow-moving cargo ships. They then toss grappling hooks up to the rails and climb up ropes to clamber on deck.

Pirates are generally armed with assault rifles and, increasingly, rocket-propelled grenade launchers. Modern ships' crews are usually unarmed for a number of reasons, among them laws that prevent armed vessels from docking in the ports of many countries.

"The maritime unions, shipping companies and the International Maritime Organization all agree that ship's crews should not be armed," says Capt. George Quick, vice president of the International Organization of Masters, Mates and Pilots, based in Linthicum, Md. "It would only escalate the situation The [Somali] pirates are pretty well funded, and they'd just get bigger weapons."

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If laws prevent crews from carrying, we need to change the laws.
1 posted on 04/15/2009 9:16:52 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

Nothing like a 5 inch deck gun to wreck a pirate’s day.


2 posted on 04/15/2009 9:21:12 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: Ben Mugged
says Capt. George Quick, ... "It would only escalate the situation The [Somali] pirates are pretty well funded, and they'd just get bigger weapons."

Aka George QuickSurrender.

3 posted on 04/15/2009 9:22:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Ben Mugged

They still need help.

Anti-grappling rails - large diameter pipe to prevent getting a hook to fasten to the ship.

better lighting

strategically placed water spouts.


4 posted on 04/15/2009 9:22:29 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: Ben Mugged
Is there a law against hot bacon fat projectiles?

I'm thinking modified paintball technology + microwave.

Not only is it cheap and the poor little mud'pi'rats would not like it, it sure is slippery, as in "I can't climb up the side."

5 posted on 04/15/2009 9:22:50 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Ben Mugged

It’s also time to repel the Pirates IN DC!! Go to your local Tea Party today folks! Now is the time to stand up for our founding principles and against the rising tide of socialism in America!


6 posted on 04/15/2009 9:23:29 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Ben Mugged

7 posted on 04/15/2009 9:25:29 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Ben Mugged

Well, one option might be to hire a company like Blackwater to provide armed protection.


8 posted on 04/15/2009 9:28:34 AM PDT by redhead (Alaska-Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: Westlander

..ouch, that really hurts!


9 posted on 04/15/2009 9:29:09 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: rahbert
How about :

barbed razor wire

remote control pepper spray spigots

Hot tar and oil showers

and

electrified top rails?

There's nothing like the smell of a roasting pirate in the morning.

10 posted on 04/15/2009 9:29:58 AM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: Ben Mugged
"The maritime unions, shipping companies and the International Maritime Organization all agree that ship's crews should not be armed," says Capt. George Quick, vice president of the International Organization of Masters, Mates and Pilots, based in Linthicum, Md.

I think I may have spotted the problem.

"It would only escalate the situation The [Somali] pirates are pretty well funded, and they'd just get bigger weapons."

Well which is it? Either the pirates are worse than "dirt poor", as the MSM keeps telling us so we feel sooorrry for them, or they are well funded. It can't be both.

11 posted on 04/15/2009 9:30:27 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Ben Mugged

Continuously looped IPOD recordings of Obambi’s (BIRD!) speeches would work to repel just about anything.

The crews’ reactions might not be too healthy, however.


12 posted on 04/15/2009 9:31:27 AM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: MortMan; Ben Mugged
Continuously looped IPOD recordings of Obambi’s (BIRD!) speeches would work to repel just about anything.

I wonder if the Queen would lend hers out?!?

13 posted on 04/15/2009 9:32:52 AM PDT by MortMan (Power without responsibility-the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages. - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: Westlander

CWIS - CRAP IT WON’T SHOOT


14 posted on 04/15/2009 9:33:10 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Simple: A flamethrower.

Getting his with can would ruin your whole afternoon. One ship in the Pacific had a pump and hose to shoot a combination of gasoline, diesel and detergent. They would cover the attacking boat with it, then aim Roman Candles at them.

15 posted on 04/15/2009 9:33:35 AM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: Ben Mugged

No ship and no ship’s crew should work in a known pirate zone without at the very least personal weapons on board. They might be locked in a magazine during most of the voyage, but the moment you move into pirate waters weapons should be distributed and kept close at hand.

Others have commented that, on a large automated ship, there is often no one on deck. Obviously, in pirate waters you have to have someone on pirate watch around the clock.

And the navy needs to have a rapid response team. If it takes 20 hours for a ship to get to you, that isn’t much help. They need to have assault teams ready to go as soon as the word comes that a ship is being approached. A fixed wing plane could be on the scene within short order to sink or drive off the attacker, and a chopper with the assault team could be there within an hour or so to secure the ship if necessary. We have to do more than we’re doing.


16 posted on 04/15/2009 9:33:47 AM PDT by marron
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To: Ben Mugged

We don’t need to arm these crews. the legal and liability reasons are many. We need to arm a couple of modern day “Q” ships with Navy SEALS and send them out to go hunting.

It shouldn’t be hard to put a few “special” containers of equipment and ammo onboard an easy looking merchant, along with a platoon who are prepared to forcibly repel boarders when attacked. If the pirates are using four or five vessels, then put 2 platoons onboard the bait vessel.

The only thing these “pirates” understand is the business end of a gun, and considering the ransoms being paid by gutless countries who never do seem to invest in their own defense, unless the US takes the lead in shutting this business down forcibly, it will only continue.

No prisoners.


17 posted on 04/15/2009 9:34:22 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: Ben Mugged

they can carry. but when they get into port, they cannot display weapons. weapons must be stowed.


18 posted on 04/15/2009 9:35:32 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Ben Mugged
Get a couple of these on the ships, plenty of ammo. Let the pirate boats get in close. I would imagine with a 100 foot height advantage, they would make short work of making shark bait.
19 posted on 04/15/2009 9:36:13 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Ben Mugged
Quick (from the article): "Standard maritime doctrine is that crews should not resist once boarders are on deck," he says. "The [Somali] pirates are really just after the ransom money, so it's best to keep things as calm as possible."

And people wonder why there's a lot of piracy going on?

There are some interesting weapons described in the article.

20 posted on 04/15/2009 9:36:51 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Ben Mugged

How about low-tech weapons? Israeli ships sail the Red Sea and Horn of Africa day and night, yet not one has never been successfully hijacked.

I’ll bet Israeli crews are armed to the teeth with Uzis, M-16s, SAWs and grenade launchers. They also probably shoot first and ask questions if there are any survivors.


21 posted on 04/15/2009 9:38:34 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Telling Layla's story spoken, 'Bout how all her bones are broken.")
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To: Leisler
The AA-12 Full Auto Shotgun


12 gauge buckshot, slugs or high-explosive Frag-12 rounds @ 300 ROUNDS PER MINUTE.

LINK

VIDEO

The Frag-12 HE 12 gauge shotgun Projectile


The FRAG-12 HE-AP round incorporates a shaped charge to allow it to penetrate 1/2-inch steel armor plate....

LINK
 

22 posted on 04/15/2009 9:38:40 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: DannyTN

George Quick doesn’t sound like a french name, but he can sure speak their language.


23 posted on 04/15/2009 9:38:48 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Ben Mugged
25mm Bushmaster chain gun, same as used on Bradley Fighting Vehicles:


24 posted on 04/15/2009 9:42:20 AM PDT by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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To: Westlander

Phalanx Close-in Weapon System for self-defense:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/weaps/mk-15.htm

Close-In Weapons System (CIWS)
The MK 15 Phalanx Close-In Weapons System (CIWS - pronounced “sea-whiz”) is a fast-reaction, rapid-fire 20-millimeter gun system that provides US Navy ships with a terminal defense against anti-ship missiles that have penetrated other fleet defenses. Designed to engage anti-ship cruise missiles and fixed-wing aircraft at short range, Phalanx automatically engages functions usually performed by separate, independent systems such as search, detection, threat evaluation, acquisition, track, firing, target destruction, kill assessment and cease fire. Phalanx underwent operational tests and evaluation onboard USS Bigelow in 1977, and exceeded maintenance and reliability specifications. Phalanx production started in 1978 with orders for 23 USN and 14 Foreign Military Sales (FMS) systems.
Phalanx is a point-defense, total-weapon system consisting of two 20mm gun mounts that provide a terminal defense against incoming air targets. CIWS, without assistance from other shipboard systems, will automatically engage incoming anti-ship missiles and high-speed, low-level aircraft that have penetrated the ship primary defense envelope. As a unitized system, CIWS automatically performs search, detecting, tracking, threat evaluation, firing, and kill assessments of targets while providing for manual override. Each gun mount houses a fire control assembly and a gun subsystem. The fire control assembly is composed of a search radar for surveillance and detection of hostile targets and a track radar for aiming the gun while tracking a target. The unique closed-loop fire control system that tracks both the incoming target and the stream of outgoing projectiles (by monitoring their incoming noise signature) gives CIWS the capability to correct its aim to hit fast-moving targets, including ASMs.

The gun subsystem employs a gatling gun consisting of a rotating cluster of six barrels. The gatling gun fires a 20mm subcaliber sabot projectile using a heavy-metal (either tungsten or depleted uranium) 15mm penetrator surrounded by a plastic sabot and a light-weight metal pusher. The gatling gun fires 20mm ammunition at either 3,000 or 4,500 rounds-per-minute with a burst length of continuous, 60, or 100 rounds.

CIWS has been a mainstay self defense system aboard nearly every class of ship since the late 70’s. It was originally designed to defeat low altitude antiship cruise missiles (ASCMs) and was called the block 0. As antiship cruise missiles became more complex in maneuvers and ability to be detected, and warfare areas moved from open ocean to littoral environments, CIWS has evolved to meet the threat.

Block 1 incorporated a new search antenna to detect high altitude missiles, improved search sensitivity, increased the ammunition available for firing by 50 percent, a pneumatic gun drive which increased the firing rate to 4500 rounds per minute, and started using tungsten ammunition as well as depleted uranium. Block I improvements provide increased elevation coverage, larger magazine space for increased round capacity, a variable and higher gun fire rate, and improved radar and processing capabilities.

Block 1A incorporated a new High Order Language Computer (HOLC) to provide more processing power over the obsolete general purpose digital computer, improved fire control algorithms to counter maneuvering targets, search multiple weapons coordination to better manage engagements, and an end-to-end testing function to better determine system functionality.

Block 1B Phalanx Surface Mode (PSUM) incorporates a side mounted Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR) which enables CIWS to engage low slow or hovering aircraft and surface craft. Additionally, the FLIR assists the radar in engaging some ASCM’s bringing a greater chance of ship survivability. Block 1B uses a thermal imager Automatic Acquisition Video Tracker (AAVT) and stablilization system that provide surface mode and electro-optic (EO) angle track. These Block 1B enhancements will allow day/night detection capability and enable the CIWS to engage small surface targets, slow-moving air targets, and helicopters.
Baseline 2C improvements provide an integrated multi-weapon operations capability. During integrated operations, the command system controls CIWS sensors, target reports, mode employment, and doctrine. The sensors are utilized to provide 360 degree search and track coverage, while providing track data to, and receiving designations from, the Command system. This CIWS installation includes a conversion kit for each weapon group to facilitate ease and safety of maintenance; the “maintenance enclosure” kit installs the below-deck equipment for a gun mount in a prefabricated enclosure with the mount located above it.


25 posted on 04/15/2009 9:45:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: Ben Mugged

26 posted on 04/15/2009 9:45:55 AM PDT by fso301
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To: MindBender26

problem with that is on a oil tanker you’re not even supposed to carry a lighter.

they typically use water cannons , loudspeaker blasts and lots of lights...not much protection there.

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27 posted on 04/15/2009 9:46:42 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Ben Mugged

If laws prevent crews from carrying, we need to change the laws.”

Hire Blackwater to protect the ships. They are not as busy these days in Iraq.


28 posted on 04/15/2009 9:48:26 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: redhead

Well, one option might be to hire a company like Blackwater to provide armed protection.”

You beat me to it...and it is the best option which can VERY QUICKLY be employed to solve this problem.


29 posted on 04/15/2009 9:49:49 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: redhead

Blackwater stated about six months ago that they’d like to get into “maritime security”.


30 posted on 04/15/2009 9:50:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Abundy
"George Quick doesn’t sound like a french name, but he can sure speak their language."

True, except for the last week, the French seem to have changed their language.

31 posted on 04/15/2009 9:50:07 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: rahbert

“Anti-grappling rails - large diameter pipe to prevent getting a hook to fasten to the ship.”

Is there no way to electrify those rails when they come climbing up? It’d be very enjoyable to read of some of them having their worthless selves fried when making contact.


32 posted on 04/15/2009 9:52:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Meanwhile, the sheeple graze mindlessly while awaiting slaughter at Hope and Change Ranch)
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To: Ben Mugged
If laws prevent crews from carrying, we need to change the laws.

That's like saying if we gave a gun to all the convenience store clerks then there wouldn't be any stickups. We know better - it's not their job, it's not what they're trained for, and the odds are they won't want to die for someone elses money anyway.

If you want to put arms on the ships then contract it out. Let every U.S. ship, for example, pick up two or three armed professionals as they're entering the area and then have them ride the ship through pirate waters. As the ship leaves the danger area, the security team is air lifted to a ship that is inbound. Shipping lanes are pretty well defined and you could set up half dozen or fewer points that would be convenient for most of the U.S. ships going through the area to pick the guards up at. And if the pirates show up, you have a couple of trained professionals who know what they're doing and were hired specifically to protect the ship and its crew.

33 posted on 04/15/2009 9:54:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Ben Mugged
1000 of these flying the horn of Africa would certainly help.

One shot, multiple kills.

34 posted on 04/15/2009 9:54:26 AM PDT by lormand (Washington DC - Enemy of Freedom)
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To: Ben Mugged; BIGLOOK; Travis McGee; Squantos

A couple of these new auto shotguns on the port and starboard sides, the aft and bow of each ship would go a long way in erradicating the Pirate Scum.

The video doesn’t get into the new automatic shotgun until a little over 40 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c


35 posted on 04/15/2009 10:04:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: Ben Mugged
Fer cryin' out loud...

Bullets and grenades do the job quite well, and they don't leave the pirates around to try again later.

36 posted on 04/15/2009 10:05:44 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Ben Mugged

I read somewhere that simple Concertina barbed wire deployed around the ship was pretty effective.


37 posted on 04/15/2009 10:06:24 AM PDT by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: Bean Counter

Judging from the age and inexperience of the the pirates it seems likely that the actual perps are just kids being sent out there by warlords/mob bosses who are running the operations and taking in the finances from a secure land base or possibly a mother ship.

Those are the people we need to wipe out.


38 posted on 04/15/2009 10:09:10 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Non-Sequitur

My guess is it would be cheaper and less of a hassle for ship owners and captains to simply avoid the area by going around the Horn of Africa. Or buying more insurance.

Not very macho, but probably more economical than hiring full-time security details with helos and forward operating bases.


39 posted on 04/15/2009 10:26:41 AM PDT by too_cool_for_skool
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To: Ben Mugged

Security contractors seem to be the most cost effective way to deal with the problem. But it appears the owners, insurers, maritime organizations and unions don’t want the added bother and expense. Their solution is to fight pirates on our dime with our resources.

So screw ‘em. Let them just put down pirate ransoms as a cost of doing business and let’s move on.


40 posted on 04/15/2009 10:27:16 AM PDT by telebob
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To: Ben Mugged

We should get Medieval on them.

Dump cauldrons of boiling bacon grease on boarders.


41 posted on 04/15/2009 10:28:25 AM PDT by sjmjax
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To: roaddog727
Right on, that and a brace of 40 mm’s on the bow. Sooner or later some Americans are going to be killed by the pirates. And when that happens the buck lands on Prez. Obama’s desk. I have to think that we have a wimp for President. Arm the damned ships.
42 posted on 04/15/2009 10:33:35 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: ANGGAPO

“Arm the damned ships.”

That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

Something as simple as an M2 cal .50. at both the bow and stern. then, if they approach from the port or starboard, you can get interlocking fields of fire!

Woo Hoo!


43 posted on 04/15/2009 10:41:26 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Built Ford tough not Obama weak.)
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To: roaddog727

Fixed emplacements are easily defeated from a moving boat, but shoulder-fired rockets onboard would be a real deterrent to approaching smaller vessels.


44 posted on 04/15/2009 10:45:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: roaddog727
I would paint a big American flag on both sides of the ship. The government should provide the armed guard and weapons installation. The sooner we get respect for American shipping, the sooner the pirates will avoid American ships. We need the good press.
45 posted on 04/15/2009 10:48:31 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: marron
During WWII The Germans modified a fishing boat into a raider with concealed armament and a pile of flags representing every nation on earth.

They would get in range of some cargo ship and then BAM, unload on it.
Sank a lot of ships...I think it was called the Atlantis.

46 posted on 04/15/2009 11:04:37 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: too_cool_for_skool
My guess is it would be cheaper and less of a hassle for ship owners and captains to simply avoid the area by going around the Horn of Africa.

So skip the Horn of Africa, huh? In other words, don't use the Suez Canal and go all the way around Africa adding months onto each trip.

47 posted on 04/15/2009 11:08:48 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Ben Mugged

This is a mission tailor-made for outfits like Blackwater. Put 8-10 Blackwater guys on a merchant ship armed with crew-served automatic weapons and the piracy business gets a lot harder.


48 posted on 04/15/2009 11:45:05 AM PDT by LSUfan
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To: Grampa Dave

There is a 25mm upper for the M82A1 barrett (M107).

Give me 3 shooters with those and I will stop that pirate before he gets within the 930 meter “self destruct” max range of the series PG7 RPG’s........ These little SOB’s just have to lob a PG7 into the stacked sea containers to cause big trouble on such a vessel. set that bottom conex on fore and it’ll get ugly fast !

So if I were tasked to get through that indian country I would use the 25MM upper receiver for Ronnies M82A1 Barrett and a set of SOPHIE thermal binocs to stand watch for “pirates”.......:o)

Just my opinion .

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/payload.pdf

Stay safe Dave !!


49 posted on 04/15/2009 12:27:05 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

How about both weapons?


50 posted on 04/15/2009 12:42:02 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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