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Shrum on Kudlow: Conservatives will not repeat the 1994 experience; they are in BIG trouble.
Vanity | April 15, 2009 | Vanity

Posted on 04/15/2009 4:51:28 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Just a moment ago, Bob Shrum proclaimed that the tea parties are not "protests", but "squeaks". He further stated that anti-tax sentiment may be there in certain segments, it is nowhere near a majority, and has waned over the years. He said 10 years ago, anti-tax protests were far more momentous (think of it like an oil field; a strong opening, but a gradual depletion over time).

Shrum also said the GOP was in "deep trouble" and would not repeat 1994. He cited demographics and the shrinking Republican party. He said there will always be conservatives who are anti-tax, but they are severely outnumbered by Obamabots and are essentially irrelevant. He says conservatives are a dying breed and will not be an electoral force anytime soon.

I'm playing devil's advocate, and I'm not sure he's right. I'm praying he's wrong.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1994; bho44; bobshrum; dickarmey; elections; larrykudlow; taxday; teaparty
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1 posted on 04/15/2009 4:51:28 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Well now gee! If Bob Shrum sez so, it MUST be true...


2 posted on 04/15/2009 4:53:22 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts.....)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Has Bob Schrum ever run a success campaign ? - no.


3 posted on 04/15/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by Perdogg (University of North Carolina - 2009 NCAA basketball champs)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

It’s dead, Jim. And, I say that as one who has been an activist and GOPer for over 35 years.


4 posted on 04/15/2009 4:53:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I remember these guys saying the same thing in 1993.

The thing is, he will still receive a paycheck when he is wrong.


5 posted on 04/15/2009 4:54:39 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (Conservatives see untapped potential. Liberals see Tapped-out hopelessness.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He's probably right on the demographics point. The country is being flooded by immigrants, legal and not, and they are firmly in the lib-Rat camp because of two words: free money. We're probably going to be outnumbered for awhile, until things get so bad the remainder of what was formerly the middle class white people will get fed up enough to be in a more or less revolutionary mood. But it may be too late then to save what was once a great Republic.
6 posted on 04/15/2009 4:55:57 PM PDT by chimera
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The a$$hole is right. We are irrelevant at present, as presently constituted. However — if this Texas thing gets some wings, we could have a huge red-state impact; one like we’ve not seen since the Civil War.


7 posted on 04/15/2009 4:55:59 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Who is Bob Shrum? Is he the token “conservative” for someone?


8 posted on 04/15/2009 4:56:25 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention.

It’s not going to help right now to make a fuss about stuff in this way.

I think we’re gonna lose 2010 pretty bad, and hussein will get 8 years easy. We might recover a bit in 2012, but it’ll be hard.


9 posted on 04/15/2009 4:56:49 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: St. Louis Conservative

He may be right, only because the percentage of people who pay no income tax is pretty large anymore. They don’t vote conservative.


10 posted on 04/15/2009 4:57:18 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Racial politics, illegals, vote fraud, and wealth transfers make up a formidable coalition. It will take Divine providence and a lot of hard work to overcome it.


11 posted on 04/15/2009 4:57:56 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This is encouraging news.


12 posted on 04/15/2009 4:58:00 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Sadly I somewhat agree, GWB really sucked the life out of many folks I know who used to be Rep’s.

But we shall see, it’s only been 90 some days and life is beginning to stir a bit, not a ton, but a bit.


13 posted on 04/15/2009 4:58:27 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Bob Shrum is a professional spinmeister. Please. The generic party ballot is showing Republicans equal or better than Democrats. You better believe they are quakingin their boots. This is a set up to repeat 1994. Of course, they have to say it is not the same. I think it will be even bigger, given the public protests.


14 posted on 04/15/2009 4:58:43 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Migraine; chimera; anniegetyourgun

If y’all are right, then I recommend giving up. I recommend immediately closing your FR accounts too. There’s no point. Might as well play golf if it’s a lost cause.


15 posted on 04/15/2009 4:59:00 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Steely Tom

Why.


16 posted on 04/15/2009 4:59:29 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

It may be the better that we’ve moved beyond simple ‘anti-taxism’: we’re back to a Reaganesque small government and liberty agenda—and that, I believe, is a winner.

(The Republicans’ problem, of course, is that so few of their elected officials adhere to such Reaganesque principles...)


17 posted on 04/15/2009 4:59:46 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: anniegetyourgun
He has a point about demographics.

I wish I could remember every dewey-eyed optimist who took me to task for my "provincial" opinions on the US's policy of allowing massive immigration, just to see if they'd have the principle to admit they were wrong.

19 posted on 04/15/2009 5:01:18 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Tolsti2
Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention. It’s not going to help right now to make a fuss about stuff in this way. I think we’re gonna lose 2010 pretty bad, and hussein will get 8 years easy. We might recover a bit in 2012, but it’ll be hard.

LOL you sign on 10 days ago to post that.

You give up real easy newbie.

20 posted on 04/15/2009 5:01:19 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Because Shrum is never right about anything. He couldn’t pour out of a boot.


21 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:00 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Well, since taxpayers are no longer a majority, he might have a point...


22 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Either he and his fellow socialists are attempting to downplay the growing movement because they are worried and are desperate or they are underestimating the growing movement. Hopefully it’s the latter so they will continue to let their guard down.


23 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:19 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Why would we take any advice from the Shroom?


24 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:20 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Let's see what happens to today's college students when they find out in four years that they can't get a job because: 1) they're not there anymore, 2) an illegal is doing it, 3) a legal H-1B is doing it for less.

There will reach a point where college grads can't find a job, and then they will blame the government, too.

-PJ

25 posted on 04/15/2009 5:03:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He says conservatives are a dying breed and will not be an electoral force anytime soon.

If Shrum predicts as well as he runs presidential campaigns...

But I think those who believe some great realignment took place with the 2008 election are mistaken. Obama won because he was black. The white guilt vote is what really gave him a winning margin, and some additional participation by blacks. Many whites felt it said something good about themselves and about their country if the first black president was elected.

The white guilt vote was probably good for one election, and we'll learn in next two to four years whether any significant realignment of coalitions and groups has actually taken place.

I believe Bush's unpopularity, opposition to Iraq, and Bush and Rove's trying to push amnesty time and again, wild spending, and other factors just demoralized and weakened the Republican party, and also caused the loss of some independent voters.

That, and the white guilt factor are not the ingredients of a long-term shift in political alignments.

26 posted on 04/15/2009 5:03:59 PM PDT by Will88
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To: St. Louis Conservative
During the first 6 years of Bush the Congress spent like drunken sailors (my apologies to sailors, since they only use their own money), they pretty much lost the fiscal conservative and libertarian wings of the party.

However, with Obama spending like the world is ending in 2012 (due to the Mayan long count calendar ending), Republicans may get back in as being the lesser of two evils. One thing Americans hate is high inflation, and I think Obama is going to deliver big time on that.
27 posted on 04/15/2009 5:04:58 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Tolsti2
Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention.

It’s not going to help right now to make a fuss about stuff in this way.

I think we’re gonna lose 2010 pretty bad, and hussein will get 8 years easy. We might recover a bit in 2012, but it’ll be hard.

May your chains rest lightly on you, noob. The rest of us have a country to reclaim.

28 posted on 04/15/2009 5:06:18 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He cited demographics

Demographics are destiny. The people who consume and take from government largess are on the verge of outnumbering those forced to pay into the system. Once that occurs, the conservative movement (at least on fiscal issues) will cease to be a political force with any power. Our only option will be to "Shrug" and refuse to work and continue to feed the welfare state engine.

29 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:09 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Tolsti2

>>>> Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention. <<<<<<

Did you join FR only three weeks ago to post this kind of dismal doomer crap statement?


30 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:35 PM PDT by angkor
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I will never give up. But, I also don’t believe in pink ponies flying either.


31 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: y6162

Obama has handed the census (and billion plus dollars) to ACORN and plans to do what he can to legalize the barbarian invaders. Between these two items he’s got an awful strong hand for 2012.


32 posted on 04/15/2009 5:08:54 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Tolsti2

Welcome to FR. While I agree that things are dire with respect to Obama, the REAL problem is our deluded fellow countrymen.


33 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:28 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: WashingtonSource
This is a set up to repeat 1994.

The 1994 revolution was years in the making, contributed to by decades of Democrat scandals and excesses (they're just getting started now), and the GOP just had a favorable census and redistricting. The GOP also had a leader (Gingrich) and agenda (Contract with America). The GOP has none of those things right now.

34 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:49 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Let’s show this bum he’s wrong.


35 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:58 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: mware

>>>> LOL you sign on 10 days ago to post that. You give up real easy newbie. <<<<

You caught it too.

The doomer parade.


36 posted on 04/15/2009 5:10:48 PM PDT by angkor
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To: padre35

Now that we are past the organizing to influence the media, we can get on to organizing for impact.


37 posted on 04/15/2009 5:11:18 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: angkor

The trolls come out at night.


38 posted on 04/15/2009 5:13:00 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: WashingtonSource
Bob Shrum is a professional spinmeister. Please. The generic party ballot is showing Republicans equal or better than Democrats. You better believe they are quakingin their boots.

True and Truer.

This is a set up to repeat 1994. Of course, they have to say it is not the same. I think it will be even bigger, given the public protests.

What made 1994 so big was the regional angle. So many Southern districts that had been Democrat for a century went Republican in the 1980s and 1990s. It was a cumulative thing over time, but in 1994 the GOP picked up 3 seats in Georgia and 4 in North Carolina.

At the same time Republicans were stronger in what later became the blue states, states like California and Washington state (we picked up 5 seats in Washington that year, including the Speaker's). The GOP had even carried seats in Massachusetts earlier in the decade and held on to them in 1994.

Things are different now. There'll be a shift to Republicans in 2010, but it won't be as massive, because there aren't those conservative long-time Democratic seats in the South to pick up, and because Democrat advantages in the blue states will be harder to overcome.

39 posted on 04/15/2009 5:13:50 PM PDT by x
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To: St. Louis Conservative

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40 posted on 04/15/2009 5:14:07 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple!)
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To: Tolsti2
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41 posted on 04/15/2009 5:15:32 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I am compelled to mention that ROBERT (not “Bob”) Shrum is a lifelong Rat.

Who cares what he says.


42 posted on 04/15/2009 5:16:14 PM PDT by angkor
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Unfortunately he is correct. There are any number of reasons for this, but the November 4, 2008 election proved that way too many prefer living as governmental slaves than free individuals.


43 posted on 04/15/2009 5:17:07 PM PDT by sport
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To: Will88

Keep in mind that in 2008, McCain was outspent 3-1, he wasn’t even a popular candidate in his own party. Furthermore, it’s difficult for one party to hold on to the WH for three consecutive terms. Then throw in the fact that the mainstream media

Despite all of these major disadvantages - Obama only won by 6 percentage points.

I give Axelrod credit = they knew how to use the new media, they built a huge grassroots campaign and attracted a lot of new donors to the party. The GOP has the ability to do the same. The effort we saw today is a positive sign.

Now we have to find a leader we can all get excited about.


44 posted on 04/15/2009 5:18:29 PM PDT by Jaguarmike
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To: anniegetyourgun

I hope you are as my circle of people who vote has slid from 10 Rep voters down to maybe 6, the other 4 are Wait and See types.


45 posted on 04/15/2009 5:18:57 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Shrum is poisonous but, the Demographics have shifted. As bad as it is now, it is going to get worse.


46 posted on 04/15/2009 5:19:57 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: angkor

Tolsti2=Trollsti2


47 posted on 04/15/2009 5:20:38 PM PDT by Third Person (We've got provisions and lots of beer/ The key word is survival on the New Frontier.)
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To: Jaguarmike
Despite all of these major disadvantages - Obama only won by 6 percentage points.

True, but Republicans also took big losses in Congress. Bush and some Republicans in Congress did a great deal to damage the party, and it was a factor in the presidential and congressional contests.

48 posted on 04/15/2009 5:22:58 PM PDT by Will88
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Bob Shrum - bizarro world has no finer prognosticator.Has he ever been right? Nope.
49 posted on 04/15/2009 5:23:32 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: All
Here's a helpful suggestion: Quit callin’ everyone a RINO every time they don't do exactly what you want.
50 posted on 04/15/2009 5:26:15 PM PDT by Cedric
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