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Obama's NSA eavesdropping goes beyond that of Bush!
Various ^ | 4/16/09 | papasmurf

Posted on 04/16/2009 8:43:52 AM PDT by papasmurf



I have been reading the many different articles today on the NSA's eavesdropping activity.

It's appalling, to me, that the occupier of the White House would allow such a practice to continue, especially after campaigning on the promise of: No warrantless wiretaps if you elect me!"

Now, since being elected, by hiding his Birth Certificate and lying in nearly everything he promised, he proves himself the Socialist and liar that he truly is.

0bama has steadfastly defended President Bush's wiretapping program, and, in fact, 0bama has increased the wiretaps! All the while staking claim to his own brand new cry of State Secrets.

Today's headlines read: NSA Exceeds Legal Limits In Eavesdropping Program , and U.S. phone intercepts go beyond legal limits , and NSA Found Improperly Spying on Americans.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2009; bho44; brownshirts; democrats; dhs; liberals; napolireno; nsa; obama; obamaadministration; socialism; surrendermonkey; wiretap


These many, many, stories (more than 20 google pages) go well beyond what President Bush authorized or did, and , very clearly, lay out the makings of a man that has no respect for Americans, the laws of our Country, or the decisions handed down by our Judiciary.

Is it any wonder, then, that 0bama constantly and consistently, thumbs his nose at the Constitution?

From his refusing to prove his legal eligibility to hold the office of the Presidency of the United States of America, to the signing of Presidential orders that limit Americans' rights, to authorizing monumental, and historically record setting, stimulus programs and budget, to approving the Department of Homeland Security to contrive and release a report denigrating and accusing half of America and millions of our honored Veterans as "dangerous extremists", to the current announcement that his NSA is in complete disregard of the law and of American's rights. I ask you...

Is there any better proof that he is, not only, unqualified, but as well, unfit, to hold this most important office?

...than that he, himself, has said and actions he has taken?



By his ignorance or action, he has, once again, shown us that his vote on our Country is...



PRES__ENT!!, yet, unaccounted for.



FUBO
1 posted on 04/16/2009 8:43:54 AM PDT by papasmurf
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To: papasmurf

Not surprising, as he considers the only real terrorists to be American conservatives.


2 posted on 04/16/2009 8:46:33 AM PDT by Rob the Ugly Dude
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To: papasmurf

The left couldn’t care less. Anything for the glory of big brother!


3 posted on 04/16/2009 8:46:40 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: papasmurf

I wonder how long it will be before Freepers make Janet’s list of threats.


4 posted on 04/16/2009 8:47:38 AM PDT by July4
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude

“Not surprising, as he considers the only real terrorists to be American conservatives.”

Exactly. This guy will make Nixon look like a boy scout.


5 posted on 04/16/2009 8:48:43 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: papasmurf
Now, since being elected, by hiding his Birth Certificate and lying in nearly everything he promised, he proves himself the Socialist and liar that he truly is.

These are my first thoughts every time I see his fugly mug and hear his despicable voice.
6 posted on 04/16/2009 8:48:45 AM PDT by Canedawg
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To: papasmurf
Maybe this could be a good thread to say hi to the dude in the White house basement reading all our posts

Hey dude whats up? Hows the new dog ? Have your arm wrested the first lady yet?

7 posted on 04/16/2009 8:49:56 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: papasmurf

bflr


8 posted on 04/16/2009 8:50:06 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: July4

They already are, look at your router logs. See anything new there?


9 posted on 04/16/2009 8:51:37 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: al baby

I wished I had thought of that when I made the post, it’d be in there, too! LOL


10 posted on 04/16/2009 8:52:22 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: papasmurf

My tech engineer* children sent me this:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/obama-doj-worse-than-bush

“In Warrentless Wiretapping Case, Obama DOJ New Argument Worse Than Bush
We had hoped this would go differently.

Friday evening, in a motion to dismiss Jewel v. NSA, EFF’s litigation against the National Security Agency for the warrantless wiretapping of countless Americans, the Obama Administration’s made two deeply troubling arguments.

First, they argued, exactly as the Bush Administration did on countless occasions, that the state secrets privilege requires the court to dismiss the issue out of hand. They argue that simply allowing the case to continue “would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security.” As in the past, this is a blatant ploy to dismiss the litigation without allowing the courts to consider the evidence...”

*I have to get that “engineer” word in every post about them since I have three of them and am very proud of them...


11 posted on 04/16/2009 8:54:12 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I'm too much of a lady to swear over the internet. I have to do it in person.)
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To: papasmurf

King Obama is not a socialists but a hard core communists. It may take a while to understand this, but it he a pure corrupt nitwit that moves in steps with the help of those in his communistic Administration. Wake up, America!


12 posted on 04/16/2009 9:01:29 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: papasmurf

We agree on everything but let’s not forget Bush’s role in undermining our privacy. The sooner that conservatives realize that both Obama and Bush were the culprits in this, the better.


13 posted on 04/16/2009 9:02:55 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: July4

We’re already on the list.


14 posted on 04/16/2009 9:02:57 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: al baby
Hey dude what's up? Hows the new dog ? Have your arm wrested the first lady yet?

Did you win?

15 posted on 04/16/2009 9:06:04 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 86 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void

Did I win


16 posted on 04/16/2009 9:07:47 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: al baby

ROTFLMAO!


17 posted on 04/16/2009 9:08:23 AM PDT by mickidawn1969
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To: papasmurf

Is there any way that one can detect that one is being watched? I do not have an in home router, and US Hughes Net Satellite ISP.


18 posted on 04/16/2009 9:09:05 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: papasmurf

Hard to believe.

/dripping sarcasm


19 posted on 04/16/2009 9:09:57 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Captain Kirk

At least with Bush, you could trust that he wasn’t tapping the phones of those Americans that disagreed with him.

Not so with ‘Hitler.


20 posted on 04/16/2009 9:10:13 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: al baby

No, did the dude beat MicHELLe at arm wrestling?


21 posted on 04/16/2009 9:11:59 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 86 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: null and void

duh


22 posted on 04/16/2009 9:13:31 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: papasmurf

Here are 2 more examples it came out they are listening way over legal limits and want to watch you too!

http://bluelori.blogspot.com/


23 posted on 04/16/2009 9:14:57 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Candor7

There are a slew of network monitor and packet analyzer/sniffers on the market that do just that. Also you can use the command line to query traffic in and out of your pc, such as netstat and trace route, etc.

MS has a free TCP View app that is ok, and I have used NetMon in the past, as well. On Linux machines, these tools are included and installed by default.


24 posted on 04/16/2009 9:23:24 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: al baby

“Have your arm wrested the first lady yet?”

I’ve heard that she is even a better leg wrestler.


25 posted on 04/16/2009 9:24:55 AM PDT by mickey finn
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To: mickey finn

Be nice you know they are reading this


26 posted on 04/16/2009 9:28:07 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: papasmurf
At least with Bush, you could trust that he wasn’t tapping the phones of those Americans that disagreed with him.

Well we do know that Bush tapped the private phone sex conversations of his alleged friends: American soldiers. Again, the problem is the Demopublicans as such. It is time for conservatives to stop being selective and partisan in their defense of the Bill of Rights. Only when they are consistent will they have any credibility.

27 posted on 04/16/2009 9:30:34 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
28 posted on 04/16/2009 9:33:22 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: papasmurf

Gee, that makes me feel better.


29 posted on 04/16/2009 9:38:53 AM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: papasmurf

Thanks. I will take a first look at TCP view/


30 posted on 04/16/2009 9:40:10 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Captain Kirk

That link doesn’t support your claim of “Well we do know that Bush tapped the private phone sex conversations of his alleged friends”.

Got another?


31 posted on 04/16/2009 9:43:33 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: papasmurf

Haven’t looked but could be interesting. Maybe I should check my blog logs...


32 posted on 04/16/2009 9:49:58 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Candor7

I just downloaded and ran TCP View. it’s ok. Right click on an entry to close the connection, run a whois, end the process, or see the properties.


33 posted on 04/16/2009 9:50:02 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: papasmurf

Ican’t get the Who is function to work, its greyed out.

I also have some System4 entries that won’t let me query them. Looks Like I have some work to do.


34 posted on 04/16/2009 10:09:48 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Domandred

Nope nothing on my blog logs interesting except someone with the “Government Of The District Of Columbia” looking at the fake IKEA presidential limo picture and the VPC checking on Josh Sugarmann’s FFL.

/sigh guess I’m not enough of a Right Wing Extremist.


35 posted on 04/16/2009 10:11:19 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: papasmurf

Papa smurf — what are router logs and how do I check them


36 posted on 04/16/2009 10:11:43 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: papasmurf
Did you even read the story? In case, you didn't here is the info:

Despite pledges by President George W. Bush and American intelligence officials to the contrary, hundreds of US citizens overseas have been eavesdropped on as they called friends and family back home, according to two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia.,,,,

US Soldier's 'Phone Sex' Intercepted, Shared Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.

37 posted on 04/16/2009 10:22:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: papasmurf

“Is there any better proof that he is, not only, unqualified, but as well, unfit, to hold this most important office?”

Actually, I didn’t need more proof that the muzzie is unqualified and unfit for office, but thanks for posting this.


38 posted on 04/16/2009 10:26:55 AM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: papasmurf

“Not so with ‘Hitler.”

Careful that Obama, Dunham, Sotero or whatever his real name is will send his brown shirts after you.


39 posted on 04/16/2009 10:32:42 AM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: papasmurf

Thanks for the tip. The software works fine after I learned how to use t. I have a lot of bio resident connections I do not understand, but anything hooked up on the net is listed, and can be queried.
Thanks for putting me on to this very handy tool !


40 posted on 04/16/2009 10:50:45 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Captain Kirk

Ok, I didn’t see that there was more to the story past the pictures and the caption “Related Stories”. So, now I’ve read it, all 4 pages.

I think it’s blown out of proportion, they admit that they cannot confirm much of it, and the calls are coming from overseas.

But, you fail to mention that...”Some times, Kinne and Faulk said, the intercepts helped identify possible terror planning in Iraq and saved American lives. “ So, we have some folks who say they had a laugh or two at the expensive of an unknowing person, and also say that those sessions helped to save American lives.

Still, my point is, Bush didn’t tap anyone for personal reasons, and this article doesn’t prove, or even allege, that Bush did. I do not trust 0bama will adhere to the same principles. In fact, the opposite is true.

I don’t think your contention that we Conservatives are being selective is a fair statement.

Bush alleged his improper tapping was inadvertent. I believe him.
Bush claimed that tapping callas coming from overseas is legal. I believe him, and the courts have held that to be true.
Bush claimed that Soldiers have no expectation to privacy in the context of performing their duties. I believe him, and the courts have held that to be true, as well. BTW, while serving in a theater of operations, you are on duty 24X7.

I have criticized Bush on many of his shortcomings, most especially TIA/Patriot Act/DHS, but I won’t jump on the bandwagon of populism. He gets the benefit of doubt because he has proven himself a loyal Patriot, regardless of his C/RINOness, 0bama has not.


41 posted on 04/16/2009 10:52:21 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: papasmurf
Still, my point is, Bush didn’t tap anyone for personal reasons,

The story provided eyewitness evidence about the phone sex tapping (which you reject) but you seem to take it on faith that George Bush can be trusted not to tap calls. Why? WDid you also think TARP, the greatest leap to socialism in generations, was the act of a trustworthy man? This zealous support that George Bush, one of the socialist presidents in memory, gets here is really quite remarkable. If the tea-bag movement takes this selective approach, it is doomed to fail and be dismissed as nothing more than a cynical RNC front.

42 posted on 04/16/2009 10:59:36 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Candor7

Mine’s not greyed out, but I get errors on some whois queries.

I’ll do some more digging for windows stuff tonight.


43 posted on 04/16/2009 11:02:11 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: yldstrk

If you have a network, that would the device that connects your pc’s to the modem, either by cable or wireless.


44 posted on 04/16/2009 11:04:42 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude; ExTexasRedhead; LucyT; Beckwith; null and void; STARWISE; Allegra
IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Justice Department confirmed Wednesday that it had reined in the NSA's wiretapping activities in the United States after learning that the agency had improperly accessed American phone calls and e-mails while eavesdropping on foreign communications.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein, a Democrat, said the committee will hold a hearing within a month to look at the NSA's surveillance activities. "We will make sure we get the facts," she said. ( We will make sure to cover up the facts, more like.)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/16/senate-committee-probe-wiretapping-violations/

FASCISM, A little bit at a time.This surpasses ANYTHING that Bush had approved,and Obama was complicit, he should be impeached.Nixon was forced to resign for FAR LESS.

Where did the domestic intercept intel. go and why???? Since it was unauthoriced, it cannot be privileged or secret information denied to the public or to the courts as authorized NSA intercepts are.

Where is Senator Leahy now ..Eh???????


45 posted on 04/16/2009 11:06:51 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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To: Captain Kirk

I’m getting the feeling that no matter what I say, short of agreeing with you 100%, will suffice. lol

peace


46 posted on 04/16/2009 11:08:49 AM PDT by papasmurf (Save us from 0bama, I prayed. Then I heard, "the 2nd, I saved")
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To: papasmurf
I’m getting the feeling that no matter what I say, short of agreeing with you 100%, will suffice. lol

Interesting rationalization to shut off dialogue. when you want to open up your mind, look me up and I'd be happy to have a give and take discussion. On the other hand, if you are looking for someone to march in lockstep for GWB, you probably need to contact Sean Hannnity.

47 posted on 04/16/2009 12:22:16 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude

This should come as no surprise, though it is appalling. The Obama administration sees us, you and I and our families, as his enemies. He views us with contempt and seeks to undo everything we hold dear. He wants power and his screaming, uneducated, militant masses are handing it to him. He will use every means at his disposal, legal and illegal. He has no regard for the Constitution and has proven it in fewer than 100 days in office.

By the way, we should all recognize that “right wing extremist” is just code for white people. Pure and simple. It’s an ugly concept, but these are ugly times.


48 posted on 04/20/2009 11:11:12 AM PDT by ronnyquest ("That's what governments are for, to get in a man's way.")
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