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Posted on 04/16/2009 7:09:51 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation. 2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger 3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction 4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in. 5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams 6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies 7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadnt worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his countrys Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority the president of the United States, Barack Obama had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostages life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chiefs staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a peaceful solution would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided hed had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostages life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer unnamed in all media reports to date decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips back was a threat to the hostages life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterdays dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and  declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced presidents toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrations (and its sycophants) attempt to spin yesterdays success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort. What should have been a standoff lasting only hours as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
These SEALS are terrorists, donchaknow....
I posted this on Monday raising the same points about the timeline of the situation, especially why the navy stood by after the captain jumped out of the boat in an attempt to escape. It appears my suspicions are being proven correct.
The White House is lying about something here. The article I copy above says he granted the authorization on Friday night at 8pm Wash DC time. The article belwo from the NY Times on April 12 states he was ASKED by the military TWICE and FINALLY granted authorization Saturday morning. The KEY here is the CAPTAIN jumped out of the boat on FRIDAY night at about MIDNIGHT local (Somali time). This is 5 PM WASH DC time or THREE hours before he supposedly granted authroization according to US NEWS, and more than 12 hours before he did according to the NY TIMES.
In either case it appears he had to be TALKED inot it by the military, and in the meantime the captain was in danger while Barry diddled around.
The Defense Department twice sought Mr. Obamas permission to use force to rescue Captain Phillips, most recently on Friday night, senior defense officials said. On Saturday morning, the president agreed, they said, if it appeared that the captains life was in imminent danger.
1 posted on Monday, April 13, 2009 2:35:02 PM by milwguy
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We know the mantra of this affirmative action fraud-in-chief’s administration: never let a crisis go to waste. Currentl;y, this same POIE (piece of Islamic excrement) is leaking the details of our CIA operations against terrorists, as a way to divert attention from the truth of this feckless almost blackman’s anti-American reality. BUT the American people appear to want to be lied to, to be deceived daily, and to have their constitutional contract voided for the bread and circuses promises of a lying Democrat at the helm. May God have mercy upon US.
gutless wonder of the bambi whitehouse
We don’t know if this is true or not, or whether it is from a reliable source or not, and I suppose we never will.
But it’s exactly the way I was figuring it happened.
I’ve repeatedly pointed out that the brave captain dove into the water because he figured the Bainbridge would cover him and rescue him—and they didn’t. Why? The only possible reason I can think of was that Barry gave explicit orders not to fire.
All the rest of it sounds probable too.
I also said that the captain probably finally said to himself, “The hell with it. This can’t go on.” Then he said, “Look, they’re pointing a weapon at him. He’s in eminent danger. OK, you have permission, fire when ready!”
The only good thing about it is that the officer who gave the order will not be punished, because Obama needs to take credit.
Obama and his no-talent crew have managed to give none of us any reason to come to their defense about anything.
Very stupid of them, but that's what you get when the Democrats win. Oh, that, stupidity, and a couple of genocides. Democrats are really into genocide so it's just a matter of weeks until Obama has our military stand aside while tens of thousands of innocent people are murdered somewhere.
Poor Capt. Phillips and thank God for the Navy and SEALS that he is alive. His merchant crew are also good and brave men.
The capt jumped in a dark ocean and the SEALS should have been able to end it right there as mentioned in the story.
We have to find a top attorney who is EX-JAG officer. He needs to take a case to SCOTUS with thousands of active military plaintiffs as John & Jane Doe.
This Napolotano & HHS calling veterans possible right wing terrorists is sickening. The attorney needs to bring the case from the military plaintiffs demanding a HI BC or natural born citizen status. Hussein needs to turnover a HI BC and NBC or step down.
SCOTUS needs to decide if they will tell our military that they have NO standing in defending The Constitution and why they should die to protect The Constitution when SCOTUS is too chicken to demand proof.
It appears that I was right.
Not very comforting though, since we have to worry about the next crisis with our wimp in chief.
Many of the pirates along the east coast of Somalia belong to the Luo Tribe. The Luo tribe is headed by Odinga Obama, Bambi’s cousin!
Bad enough the guy was captured, but when he escaped and was not immediately rescued, those thugs probably really made life hell for him. I think we were all wondering why no attempt at rescue was made at that point.
Not in public, at least. Anyone think this officer will make Captain? Not me!
To BHO, SEALS = Future Rightwing Extremists.
So this President gives equal weight to the lives of pirates and the lives of any US citizen hostage(s) ?
don’t you conspiracy theorists know this site is monitored by the DHS, ACORN and the really scary Census Bureau??
Exactly as I figured as well! By the way, when someone has machine guns pointed at you and is threatening to kill you, are you not in imminent danger?? I truly wondered about this. I guess since those pirates are always pictured w/big smiles on their faces, they’re friendly nice pirates, not mean evil ones??
I think the eventual outcome was rather peaceful.
King Obama is a real treasure. Lies are all he knows. And this whole Administration is one big rotten pile of trash.
I understood him to have 17 briefings over 4 days and a pizza flown in from Saint Louis.
when I think about those three fatal shots I have this image in my mind of of what happens to three watermelons at a Gallagher concert.
When Capt. Phillips jumped the first time, he was shot at by the pirates. Why wasn't that considered 'imminent danger'?
Piracy is so peaceful, you know.
America is under occupation; we have no president; long live the president.
OH, but you miss the wisdom of The One! HE knew that after 5 days, the yutes would be very tired— not getting much quality sleep. Then the time came and it was time to kill those children.
Agreed, he is toast (but he knew that when he gave the order) The next “overseas contingency operation” may have a very different outcome (Maybe like ‘Desert One’) because a CO will be unwilling to act independently.
That did occur to me too. I would hope that Obama is smart enough not to make an issue of it, because it would not reflect well on him if it came out. He would be stupid to take vengeance on some relatively unimportant guy he’ll never even meet if it might threaten to reflect badly on him.
But apart from that, Obama will predictably promote as many of the wrong guys as he can. clinton went out of his way to promote a**holes and timeservers, of whom Wesley Clark is probably the best known. Obama will also screw up the chain of command and the Pentagon, as much as he can.
thanks and bookmark
What's the difference between a Somali pirate and 0bama?
One is an African-born, black, Muslim hell bent on seizing assets and extorting money by any means possible to redistribute to his friends and the other is....
the same thing..
Greta just mentioned that the captured pirate is 19 (not 16) as was reported. I’ve said all along that these guys were all coached to say they were under 18-so the would not be treate\tried as adults.
Obama walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder.
The bartender looks up and says, Hey, whered you get that?
The parrot replies, In Kenya - theyre all over the place!
Well, I wasn't one who criticized you but did mistakenly (mea culpa) believe that no action would have been taken without the WH's OK. If this report is true, and it makes sense in view of the climate in D.C., then the fact that the on scene commander took the action within the confines of his instructions rates him high marks. Probably something Obama didn't count on.
There's bound to be another situation like this and it will be interesting to see if Obama & Crew hogtie that commander even further.
The captain would go along with the story and say, "Sure, I jumped a second time!" in order to save the SEALS asses, and if the surviving terrorist denied it, so what, and the other three were dead. Obama couldn't say a word without betraying himself and looking like the wiener he is. Later the story changed and dropped the fictitious second jump scenario, because to leave it like that would make it pretty obvious that Obama didn't initiate the rescue (which he didn't in any case), so it had to be changed to the SEALS acting on his orders.
Sounds like the way it really played out (though we will never know that) was close to what I suspected. God bless the Navy SEALS.
“OR, soon to be, just like all the rest of us who’ve served in the US military. Obama and his no-talent crew have managed to give none of us any reason to come to their defense about anything.”
Actually, this man and his crew may well give you and many others reason to rise up to protect and this country.
that would be too easy-I want to see how osamaobama is going to handle this situation-he won’t have the guts do string him up-which is the way civilized people deal with pirates.
A commander with the strength and willingness to make a command decision... someone like that has got to be a gnawing vexation to the squishy wishy hopenchange “CIC”.
Yep. It figures. For one thing, after he jumped the first time, the pirates tied the Captain up after they got him back on board, and I doubt whether they would have given him a second chance to escape.
Thanks to Obama he spent about four days tied up with a gang of itchy trigger-fingered ragheads pointing their weapons at him, and I won’t go into all the other likely details, but I would think it must have been extremely unpleasant.
Anybody know at what range our SEALs too their shots?