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In Texas, 31% Say State Has Right to Secede From U.S., But 75% Opt To Stay
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Posted on 04/17/2009 12:36:45 PM PDT by Scythian

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To: mono
The last time Texas and some sister states tried this back in the 1860s it did not turn out very well

We have better industry and weapons now.

Plus we use that magical punctuation stuff.

It gets us taken seriously in our writing.

51 posted on 04/17/2009 1:22:48 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: djsherin

My thinking is that if a state really was able to succeed from that Union, that state would become a powerhouse economy. All the clients of the Federal Gummit would high tail it out of the state, and producers and entrepreneurs would flood the place. Instant Singapore.


52 posted on 04/17/2009 1:34:21 PM PDT by boocoowell (Mares eat oats, does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy)
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To: boocoowell

The only thing that is holding Texas back from that right now *is* Federal regulations. If we didn’t have those, we’d be laughing at the “energy crisis” as our hydrogen or electric trucks cruised around our nuclear-reactor-powered well lit streets, and electricity would be a low, fixed monthly bill. Air pollution would be extremely low.

The irony of it all is that this utopia would be possible for us if the Feds didn’t hold us back.


53 posted on 04/17/2009 1:47:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: trumandogz

I’m not so sure on that.

As pointed out in one of the other threads the 10th Amendment says “powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The Constitution makes no mention of secession therefor it’s a power reserved to the State. Far as I am concerned Constitutionally States can and may secede if The People of that State vote to do so, probably through the State’s Constitutional process.

That doesn’t mean though that the USA has to just let them...we know how that worked out last time.


54 posted on 04/17/2009 1:52:50 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: mono

The next Civil War may have a different outcome!!!


55 posted on 04/17/2009 1:53:39 PM PDT by texican01
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To: mono

The next Civil War may have a different outcome!!!


56 posted on 04/17/2009 1:54:27 PM PDT by texican01
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To: Klondike

I am afraid you are right. Demographics are not on our side in Texas and Texas will soon be reliably blue.

If Texas does secede, the only place it’s going is back to Mexico


57 posted on 04/17/2009 1:55:10 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: trumandogz

OK, so I preempted all that with my question already.

this is not 1865.


58 posted on 04/17/2009 1:55:50 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Spktyr
The irony of it all is that this utopia would be possible for us if the Feds didn’t hold us back.

By jove I believe you've got it!

59 posted on 04/17/2009 1:56:17 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

You’ve got to understand that trumandogz lives in Austin and by virtue of domicile has all the answers...


60 posted on 04/17/2009 1:58:24 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: djsherin

No, it’s not. And neither is a second revolution. Which, by the way, the some of the founding fathers indicated might be necessary in the future.


61 posted on 04/17/2009 1:59:00 PM PDT by dools007
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To: calex59

Strong words from a non-Texan.

My point is that there is no legal way to leave the Union and there is not enough support in my Texas to leave the Union.


62 posted on 04/17/2009 2:06:05 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
No it is not 1865 but since 1865 the Federal Apparatus has become more rigid.
63 posted on 04/17/2009 2:10:07 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: NRA2BFree

“Obama has been in office for less than 3 months, and already 31% of Texans are ready to secede.”

Interesting point.

Texas seceding would be too great a loss to the rest of USA, so I’ll vote to stay in USA and help the lesser states out.

But it’s not like I feel great about what washington DC does to us.


64 posted on 04/17/2009 2:32:45 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Austinite here ... hey, I resemble that remark!!


65 posted on 04/17/2009 2:33:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: trumandogz

I had made the point on Texas board that secession in 1860 was actually a revolutionary act.

That said, we have a Federal Govt that is far more intrusive. As some point, asserting the power to say “NO” to defend one’s liberty becomes not just justifiable but necessary to freedom. It becomes no different from what happened in the American Revolution.

But freedom aint free, is it.

Need to bring up the Sam Houston quote that warned about the consequence of secession in 1860. See below.

I dont think today’s Federal Govt would have the stomach for the kind of fight that Lincoln waged to keep the union ...

“Let me tell you what is coming-—your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of bayonets-—You may, after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence ...but I doubt it. I will tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of States Rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perserverance of a mighty avalanche.”

Sam Houston -— Governor of Texas


66 posted on 04/17/2009 2:39:36 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Spktyr

“The only thing that is holding Texas back from that right now *is* Federal regulations. If we didn’t have those, we’d be laughing at the “energy crisis” as our hydrogen or electric trucks cruised around our nuclear-reactor-powered well lit streets, and electricity would be a low, fixed monthly bill. Air pollution would be extremely low.

The irony of it all is that this utopia would be possible for us if the Feds didn’t hold us back.”

TRUE!!! Eco-fascists are stopping us from exploiting our oil, natural gas, coal, uranium. We would be a huge energy powerhouse if not for the Feds holding Texas back.


67 posted on 04/17/2009 2:41:06 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Scythian

Can Texas even survive without statehood. Before California’s financial difficulties, I think that state was the 10th best economy in the world. I am unsure where they rank now. Texas was not even on the radar screen so financially it might not be a great idea. What would Texas do? Become part of Mexico? Would it be the country of Texas. This is just weird and unnecessary. Would they come crawling back on their butts after Sarah becomes President? If they do this, I would hope we would not take any state back. How embarassing.


68 posted on 04/17/2009 2:56:55 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: djsherin

If Texas were to become a separate nation, and actually enforced the immigration laws and deported all illegal aliens in Texas back to Mexico and Central America, the percentage of the population of the Republic of Texas that is white would rise considerably.

All hypothetical, of course, but just sayin’.....


69 posted on 04/17/2009 3:00:15 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The fence between Mexico and the United States is a shovel-ready project)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Gee whiz, which ghetto did they take this survey in? What time of day? Wish it wasn’t so laughable.


70 posted on 04/17/2009 3:16:19 PM PDT by libertyhoundusnr
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To: trumandogz

This Texan doesn’t care if we “cannot”, we’ll do it anyway.


71 posted on 04/17/2009 4:30:08 PM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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To: trumandogz

We “can” if nobody stops us. And do you really believe the same people who couldn’t stomach 4000 military deaths half way around the world are going to stomach a military invasion of Texas? Please. This ain’t 1861.


72 posted on 04/17/2009 4:52:16 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: trumandogz

Please provide documentation that it cannot.

See Declaration of Independance.

See Natural Law.

We “couldn’t” declare independance from the British either. How did that work out?


73 posted on 04/17/2009 4:55:51 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: trumandogz

30 percent said they support secession in a poll reported on KRLD today. That’s about the same percent that favored independancein 1776.


74 posted on 04/17/2009 5:00:19 PM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: trumandogz

One of the outcomes was the Union had more battle deaths than the Confederacy.


75 posted on 04/17/2009 5:02:27 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: djsherin
In Texas, 31% Say State Has Right to Secede From U.S., But 75% Opt To Stay

LOL! I've been wondering exactly where 'in Texas' this poll was taken....in big liberal enclaves of the metro areas or way out here in flyover country.

76 posted on 04/17/2009 5:03:17 PM PDT by MamaTexan (~ The People of the several States are not 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States ~)
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To: Texas Federalist
We “can” if nobody stops us.

If Texas secedes it will set an example for many other nation/states. Some might even join together on political, social or economic lines.

77 posted on 04/17/2009 5:15:28 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: JustSurrounded
I thought the right to secede was part of Texas’ agreement when they entered the Union ... not subject to opinion.

To pollsters, everything is subject to opinion. That's their business.

78 posted on 04/17/2009 5:24:10 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: MamaTexan

I’m from Missouri, and I love my home state, but if Texas would secede, I’d like to become a citizen.

Anyway, I thought this was a free country. A state should be able to do what the majority of its people vote to do.

Oh, maybe it’s not so free.


79 posted on 04/17/2009 6:00:50 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: meandog

All of them.


80 posted on 04/17/2009 6:12:31 PM PDT by Yankereb
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To: djsherin

Thanks djsherin. From most accounts Rasmussen does a pretty decent job of polling but something doesn’t ring quite true about these numbers. Not saying they’re wrong necessarily but I’d sure like to get a look at his sample.


81 posted on 04/17/2009 7:06:11 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST. Have I missed anything?)
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To: calex59
You, sir, I recognize as a left wing agitator on FR, better known as a troll.

Some points to remember:

Trolling a troll is not possible ... if you are responding to a troll to begin with, then the troll has served his/her purpose.

Calling a troll a troll is pointless; the troll already knows he/she is a troll.

Trolls like attention. A troll becomes more successful the more he/she receives attention.

And remember ...

Just because one's opinion is not the same as your own; does not mean one is a troll. The fun of a forum is to have discussions with like minded individuals .... Not to agree 100% with everything everyone says ...

82 posted on 04/17/2009 7:21:03 PM PDT by 08bil98z24 (War on Drug supporters are enemies of the Constitution.)
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To: trumandogz
"No it is not 1865 but since 1865 the Federal Apparatus has become more rigid."

Only in small, covered ways. And look what they've done to you.


83 posted on 04/18/2009 1:41:07 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Scythian

Secede away and more power to them!


84 posted on 04/18/2009 9:58:50 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: trumandogz
Would you like me to cite the outcomes for the 11 states that left the Union back in 1861?

What will they do next time when the total is 35, or 40?

85 posted on 04/18/2009 10:17:39 AM PDT by McGavin999 (How's that change old Hopey Dope promised you working out?)
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To: McGavin999

No more than 25% of Texans want to secede and a GOP candidate for president cannot win more than 25 states.

So therefore, I doubt that 35 or 40 states will leave the Union.


86 posted on 04/18/2009 12:46:53 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
You can never tell. You don't know if they polled the only people around who want to stay in because they're on the dole.

this country is seriously divided and at some point, the ones who are paying the taxes are going to get fed up. You already have quite a few states that are reaffirming their sovereignty already, that should tell you something.

87 posted on 04/18/2009 1:01:56 PM PDT by McGavin999 (How's that change old Hopey Dope promised you working out?)
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To: McGavin999
You don't know if they polled the only people around who want to stay in because they're on the dole.

Trust me, we have sampling methodology down to a science, a close to exact science and this poll is accurate, just as most of the polls taken last fall before the election were accurate.

88 posted on 04/18/2009 1:09:42 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: JustSurrounded

You are correct I think.

Facts are now subject to a majority opinion.

Next up, newtons laws of physics, 38% think they are still binding, 40% think they are oppresive and dated, 2% are still undecided. The other 20% are still taking a math class.


89 posted on 04/19/2009 4:03:33 AM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: Scythian

I just read the reference material on texas and it being able to be divided into 4 more states (4 states total). Well here’s the kicker...when it divides those states are NOT automatically made to be states...they have to be accepted to the union to be a state.

So what happens if they divide out the entire state and leave a very small part of the state as Texas and create the new territory as the territory of texas (not yet a state). So that area that is not yet a state will in effect not be part of the US until the US adopts it as a state. If they get enough states to agree to vote against accepting them in...then they could in fact be a separate nation.


90 posted on 04/20/2009 10:58:18 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Domandred

Also the world opinion would matter if a state chose to secede. How can we tell Russia to let Georgia secede, but not one of our states who voted freely to leave the union they joined?

I’m not advocating it, but just saying it would make most of our foreign policy that much more difficult if we are fighting to keep our states as part of the union and fighting for other countries to allow states to leave their union.


91 posted on 04/20/2009 11:02:13 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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