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Notre Dame Expects Obama to Wear Prayer to Virgin Mary on Chest When He Accepts Honorary Degree
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46844 ^ | 4-17-09 | Edwin Mora

Posted on 04/17/2009 8:40:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Notre Dame Expects Obama to Wear Prayer to Virgin Mary on Chest When He Accepts Honorary Degree

President Bush wore Notre Dame's traditional doctoral robe when he received an honorary law degree at Notre Dame's May 20, 2001 graduation ceremony. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren, File)

Friday, April 17, 2009

By Edwin Mora

(CNSNews.com)- Notre Dame expects President Obama to wear the school’s traditional doctoral robe--which is emblazoned with a cross and a prayer to the Virgin Mary--when the president receives an honorary law degree from the university at its May 17 commencement ceremony.
 
“Yes,” replied Notre Dame Spokesman Dennis Brown, when CNSNews.com asked him if Obama would wear the robe that has been worn by previous graduation speakers at Notre Dame.

Another Notre Dame official confirmed that “everybody” wears Notre Dame’s traditional doctoral robe when they receive an honorary law degree from Notre Dame.
 

In 2001, when President Bush received an honorary law degree from Notre Dame, he wore the school’s traditional doctoral robe inscribed with the prayer to the Virgin Mary. In 2008, when actor Martin Sheen received the Laetare Award from Notre Dame at its commencement ceremony, he wore the same traditional Notre Dame robe.
 
CNSNews.com asked White House Spokesman Shin Inouye whether Obama will wear the same robe worn by Bush and Sheen.  Inouye said: “I’ve looked around, but I don’t have an answer for you.”
 
The Notre Dame doctoral robe bears two images of the school's coat of arms, one on both the right and left chest areas.
 
The coat of arms and its symbolic meaning are described in “The Spirit of Notre Dame: Its History, Legends and Lore” by Dorothy V. Corson, a publication that is posted on Notre Dame’s official website.
 
The publication includes a detailed illustration of the coat of arms and a quote from the February 1931 issue of The Notre Dame Alumnus magazine, explaining it.
 
The emblem features a cross and a book with a prayer inscribed in it, a star in the upper left-hand corner and two wavy lines at the bottom.
 
The official title of the university is “Universitas Dominae Nostrae a Lacu”—the University of Our Lady by the Lake--and thus the star is presented because it is “reminiscent of the beautiful epithet Star of the Sea” and “was chosen as Mary’s symbol in the new shield of arms.”
 
The two wavy lines are “poetically expressive of the dedication of the University to the Star of the Sea.”
 
Members of the Congregation of Holy Cross who founded Notre Dame are represented by the cross.
 
“The open book is always emblematic of an institution of learning,” says the publication on the Notre Dame website. “The phrase ‘Vita, Dulcedo, Spes,’ taken from the ancient prayer to the Virgin, the ‘Salve Regina,’ means ‘our life, our sweetness, our hope’ the combination of these phrases with the symbol for the university indicates the dedication of all Notre Dame’s activities, intellectual, spiritual, athletic, and so on, to Our Lady.”
 
When President Obama spoke at Georgetown University on Tuesday, the school covered over a cross and the monogram “IHS”—which is a symbol for the name of Jesus—where it was inscribed on a pediment embedded in the wall directly above and behind where Obama stood on a stage to speak.
 
In a written statement, Georgetown told CNSNews.com on Wednesday:  “In coordinating the logistical arrangements for yesterday’s event, Georgetown honored the White House staff’s request to cover all of the Georgetown University signage and symbols behind Gaston Hall stage. The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches. Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”
 
On Thursday, both Georgetown and the White House made statements indicating that covering over the “IHS” and cross behind the stage at Georgetown’s Gaston Hall was the unintended consequence of an effort to provide a backdrop for the flags that the White House wanted displayed behind the president.


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1 posted on 04/17/2009 8:40:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Well Georgetown covered up the Christian symbols for him. So we will see.


2 posted on 04/17/2009 8:43:33 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: smoothsailing

3 posted on 04/17/2009 8:44:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: smoothsailing

Obam puts it on....”IT BURNS! IN BURNS!”


4 posted on 04/17/2009 8:44:47 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( We are "O" so f---ed)
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To: smoothsailing

The Resident muslim is not going to want to display Christian symbols and Stella Maris inscriptions.


5 posted on 04/17/2009 8:45:01 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: smoothsailing

Not good enough.

He should be allowed to take a campus tour with a guide, if he so desires, like any other American citizen.

Nothing more.


6 posted on 04/17/2009 8:45:03 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: smoothsailing

He might burst into flames.


7 posted on 04/17/2009 8:45:06 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: smoothsailing
Uh huh, and there will be a scene similar to that in the Omen, when Damien's parents tried to take him to church.
8 posted on 04/17/2009 8:45:29 PM PDT by Semper Mark (Message to Obama: WE will run you out of OUR country!)
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To: smoothsailing

maybe after that he will pray the rosary and possibly a novena or 2.


9 posted on 04/17/2009 8:45:45 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: smoothsailing

I wonder if he’ll start smoking and burst into flames?


10 posted on 04/17/2009 8:46:38 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (There is a demand today for men who can make wrong appear right. Terrence, c. 160 B.C.)
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To: P-Marlowe

WHOA!


11 posted on 04/17/2009 8:47:34 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress. Mark Twain)
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To: smoothsailing

“Taqiyya is the Islamic doctrine that Muslims are permitted to lie in order to fend off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

“Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents.

“If honor so demands, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.”

—[David Pryce-Jones, New York: Harper & Row, 1989, “The Closed Circle” An Interpretation of the Arabs, pg. 4].

“No dishonor attaches to such primary transactions as selling short weight, deceiving anyone about quality, quantity or kind of goods, cheating at gambling, and bearing false witness.

“The doer of these things is merely quicker off the mark than the next fellow; owing him nothing, he is not to be blamed for taking what he can.” [pg. 38].


12 posted on 04/17/2009 8:49:46 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: smoothsailing
Yes,” replied Notre Dame Spokesman Dennis Brown

Hey a&&hole, wanna make a bet?

13 posted on 04/17/2009 8:53:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: LucyT
I'd still be willing to bet that he'll come up with some excuse to avoid this. It'll be interesting to watch.

That said, it's simply appalling that these allegedly Christian schools are honoring the abortionists like this.

14 posted on 04/17/2009 8:54:06 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: smoothsailing

Are they gonna take back the ‘prize’ if he refuses?


15 posted on 04/17/2009 8:57:19 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: smoothsailing
Obama=cameleon

I will be no problem for him

16 posted on 04/17/2009 8:57:51 PM PDT by Syncro (Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat)
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To: Islaminaction

Notre Dame and Georgetown can go to h*ll. Pope Benedict needs to smack down the liberal & pro-abortion American Catholic Church.


17 posted on 04/17/2009 9:00:21 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Frantzie

Please add Islam to his list. Thanks.


18 posted on 04/17/2009 9:01:03 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: LucyT

David Pryce-Jones is awesome. I heard him on a discussion with some scholarly conservatives and the guy was off the charts. He knows his stuff and says Islam is really more about Arab conquest than religion.


19 posted on 04/17/2009 9:02:28 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: EyeGuy

The President of the United States is not just another American citizen. I can see objecting to an honorary degree, but it’s perfectly appropriate to invite him to give the commencement address.


20 posted on 04/17/2009 9:04:06 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: smoothsailing

This is the same Notre Dame stupid enough to invite him, right?

Well, then they’re certainly stupid enough to expect him to wear the traditional robes...


21 posted on 04/17/2009 9:04:59 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: smoothsailing

And if he is not wearing it at that moment, will he be refused the degree?


22 posted on 04/17/2009 9:05:26 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: smoothsailing

He can’t come. He’s sick that day.


23 posted on 04/17/2009 9:05:58 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: LucyT
"“Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honor and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wits for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honor on their own account and vice versa for their opponents."

How convenient for them.

Hope they aren't too surprised if I respond in kind.

24 posted on 04/17/2009 9:08:06 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

25 posted on 04/17/2009 9:08:15 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: smoothsailing
Full size picture:


26 posted on 04/17/2009 9:09:01 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: Arguendo

No it is not appropriate and it is not even close. One’s standing in the secular world is irrelevant.

Not if Notre Dame is a truly Catholic University.

Obama is an aggressive abortionist. The pro-life movement is a central pillar of Catholic doctrine. THere is no common ground here.


27 posted on 04/17/2009 9:10:17 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Arguendo
No, it is not.
IF Hitler had been invited to speak, at a Catholic University, in Europe, the libs and Catholic bashers would be bringing it up, to this day!

Obama is a disgrace, and should not ever step foot on Catholic grounds without strong protest from all Church leaders.

28 posted on 04/17/2009 9:10:45 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Arguendo
"The President of the United States is not just another American citizen."

Nope...He's Kenyan.

29 posted on 04/17/2009 9:14:49 PM PDT by chemicalman (Government of the people, by the people, for the people. What part don't you understand?)
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To: tophat9000

You read my mind!


30 posted on 04/17/2009 9:17:00 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Deo volente

He’ll then be handling all the “burning issues” personally.


31 posted on 04/17/2009 9:17:16 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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To: ArmyTeach

flubbo bluggo’s TRUE COLORS will be revealed shortly


32 posted on 04/17/2009 9:20:33 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: Markos33

33 posted on 04/17/2009 9:20:57 PM PDT by zaphod3000 (Free markets, free minds, free lives)
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To: tophat9000
”IT BURNS! IN BURNS!”

Yeah, and throwing holy water on it ain't gonna help either.

34 posted on 04/17/2009 9:38:24 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Redbob

The quintessential(sp) question is : Why is the Vatican silent?


35 posted on 04/17/2009 9:42:36 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

One can only hope.


36 posted on 04/17/2009 9:45:20 PM PDT by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: smoothsailing

Since Martin Sheen is a Catholic, there isn’t much point in mentioning that he wore the prayer. It is not surprising that President Bush had no qualms about it.


37 posted on 04/17/2009 9:45:54 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: FlyingEagle
He may not want to but the Muzzie ways allow them to deviated from the Koran when it is in the interest of advancing their schemes..just like the terrorists did for 9/11. So my bet, after the brouhaha about the IHS being removed..he will wear the banner..all for show..watch to see if he crosses his fingers...
38 posted on 04/17/2009 9:49:43 PM PDT by celtic gal (I think the democRATs should change their logo from a jackass to a RAT with a long tail.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
Why is the Vatican silent?

The Vatican doesn't run Notre Dame; it's mostly run by a lay board of trustees which is heavily populated by Chicago fat cats. "Chicago fat cats" are pals with the Daley machine; the Daley machine produced Obama ... you get the picture.

The only thing the Vatican could really do -- aside from a verbal rebuke, which would be ignored -- is act together with the local bishop to take away Notre Dame's right to call itself a Catholic university.

They have chosen not to do that.

So far.

39 posted on 04/17/2009 9:50:17 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: smoothsailing

If he wears the robe it might burst into flame....God is not mocked.


40 posted on 04/17/2009 10:02:00 PM PDT by pankot
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To: Vaquero

IS IT ME or DOES ANYBODY ELSE BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS IN FACT “ The Enemy of the State “ ? This is starting to bother me... He’s our President... Right?


41 posted on 04/17/2009 10:02:21 PM PDT by mdunn121
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To: P-Marlowe
Yep, W was fine with it, works for him, works for me.

Why do it otherwise?

42 posted on 04/17/2009 10:04:19 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Frantzie

MY thought exactly. There really IS a Pope, isn’t there? Or has he been silenced?


43 posted on 04/17/2009 10:04:44 PM PDT by pankot
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To: smoothsailing
Expect him to pull on a big sweat-shirt over the robe before he walks on stage.


44 posted on 04/17/2009 10:06:54 PM PDT by henbane
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To: Arguendo; Tax-chick; Dr. Sivana; ninenot; ArrogantBustard; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
This is a Catholic question and not some quandary for Emily Post. As a Catholic, I don't care if this pro-abort Obamanation is emperor of the universe or POTUS. He has absolutely NO BUSINESS being allowed on the Notre Dame campus much less giving commencement addresses or receiving an "honorary" doctor of laws degree.

If the Holy Cross fathers have so far apostasized from the Faith that they would tolerate the presence of this POS, then my bishop (Doran) is certainly right to suggest that ND be renamed Northwest Indiana Humanist University and stop sullying the name of Our Lady. Additionally, ND can stop vomiting on the reputation of the Roman Catholic Church by posing for holy pictures as though the school were still Catholic when, in fact, it is devoted to academic anarchy and all things in enmity to the Faith.

45 posted on 04/17/2009 10:23:37 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Campion

The Vatican can and should discipline Fr. Jenkins and any other priest complicit in this outrage.


46 posted on 04/17/2009 10:27:21 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

I’ve had that idea fluttering around in the back of my mind and seeing someone else tune into it just about blew me out of the water. Thought it was just me.


47 posted on 04/17/2009 10:28:08 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress. Mark Twain)
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To: Campion
to take away Notre Dame's right to call itself a Catholic university. Would that require a name change?
48 posted on 04/17/2009 10:34:05 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress. Mark Twain)
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To: Campion
to take away Notre Dame's right to call itself a Catholic university. Would that require a name change?
49 posted on 04/17/2009 10:35:14 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (There is no distinctly native American criminal class...save Congress. Mark Twain)
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To: ArmyTeach

I know there is a church hierarchy -

I’m wondering where the buck is stopping on this one & yet it’s still confusing because the Vatican has still not yet accepted the Obummer’s Admin pick for envoy/ambassador from the U.S.

along with the Notre Dame controversy- yikes!- there’s been nothing


50 posted on 04/17/2009 10:40:55 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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