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Napolitano is Lying to Americans About Her Departmentís Rightwing Extremism Report; TMLC Files Suit
thomasmore.org ^ | 4-17-2009 | thomasmore.org

Posted on 04/18/2009 9:11:19 PM PDT by Westlander

ANN ARBOR, MI – The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, announced that yesterday evening it filed a federal lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The lawsuit claims that her Department’s “Rightwing Extremism Policy,” as reflected in the recently publicized Intelligence Assessment, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” violates the civil liberties of combat veterans as well as American citizens by targeting them for disfavored treatment on account of their political beliefs.

(Excerpt) Read more at thomasmore.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodhs; dhslawsuit; extrmism; lawsuit; napolitano; oefveterans; oifveterans; thomasmore; tmlc

1 posted on 04/18/2009 9:11:20 PM PDT by Westlander
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To: Westlander
I'm pretty sure the following was meant to be serious...

Charging the 2000 presidential election was 'rigged', the DUmmies swore they were not going to allow it to happen again in 2004 (Kerry defeated like Al Gore in 2000). Bold-type emphasis added by myself.-etl

Arming the Left: Is the time now?
Post from: Lori Price CLG (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-22-2004 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #10

16. Yes, spread the word, even if you *didn't* read it, that there *will* be riots! Yes! Riots, and a whole lot more!..."

Democratic Underground blogger ("happyslug": 1000+ posts) responds...

"if it is decided to fight, be prepared to fight, bring a backpack, entrenching tool, tent, and other equipment of an Infantrymen. You will need it for Bush and his supporters decides it is better to fight than to accept the will of the people, the fight to overthrow them will be a long fight."

"...it takes three things to overthrow a tyrant;...

1. Popular support, you must have the majority of the people on your side (i.e. Democracy, even the Communists and Islamics both try to show they have the Support of the Majority of the People),

2. Organization to perform the overthrow (This is why Madison wrote the First like he did, these are HOW you organize an opposition. Without the First it is hard to organize an opposition and any resistence organized in absence of the rights stated in the First tend to be as tyrannical as what you are opposing)

3. Weapons to push the issue if the leadership that is being overthrown tries to use force to stay in power. You have to be willing to answer force with force. Weapons do not overthrow a tyrant, weapons just protect the people who are overthrowing a tyrant."

"Now, you may say "Hay, you are talking about Islamic and/or Communists groups not 'Western Liberal resistence groups'". And you would be correct. As I said in the beginning the first step in a guerilla war against a tyrant is to first organize. The Islamic and Communists Groups were the best at organizing people. "Western Liberal Resistence Groups" were less effective in organizing resistence groups (And less liked by the CIA and KGB who tended to fund these groups, remember any war is expensive, money talks).

Furthermore since most Islamic and Communist groups tend to be the first groups outlawed they tend to go underground first. Once underground they start to organize and as other groups are outlawed those groups tend to join the opposition which tends to be either Islamic or Communistic. Once outlawed these groups also tend to be controlled by the most fanatic opponents of the Tyrants and these tend to be either Islamic or Communistic. Thus to oppose the Tyrants you have to support a side with enough discipline to get the job done and that tend to be Communist or Islamic."

"...Any weapons we resort to must be "real" weapons not pistols. i.e. Rifles and shotguns. Due to concerns of re-supply (you have to plan for a long battle) such weapons should be limited to very small number of different rounds. Generally restrict yourself to the following rounds:

5.56x 45 (.223 Remington) 7.62x 63 (30-06) 7.62x 51 (.308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO) 7.62 x 39 (7.62mm Russian 7.62 AK Round) 12 Gauge Shotgun. 30-30 Winchester."

"You have more weapons in the above calibers than any other calibers thus should be your first choice in weapons. Saying this I must point out I like the 7x57 and 7.92x57 Mauser rounds and the M1898 Mauser Bolt action Rifle, but the 7.92 (sometime called 8mm Mauser) but these rounds are less common than the above and thus harder to obtain when re-supply is needed (and re-supply will be needed if the struggle lasts for any length of time).

Re-supply of Ammunition has always been the bane of any military operations. Without ammunition you can not fight. To get you ammunition, it is easier if we can keep the number of different rounds to a minimum (i.e. 5.56x45 and 7.62x51). I list the 30-06 and 30-30 winchester rounds for these are two VERY popular rounds and ammunition for both are easy to obtain (the same with the 12 Gauge shotgun). I list the 7.62 AK round do to the huge number of SKSs and AKs imported since the fall of the Soviet Union. I list it for while there are probably more 30-30s and 30-06 rifles out they than 7.62 Aks and SKSs, the Aks and SKSs may very while outnumber the rifles in 5.56x45 and 7.62 NATO.

Also, if it is decided to fight, be prepared to fight, bring a backpack, entrenching tool, tent, and other equipment of an Infantrymen. You will need it for Bush and his supporters decides it is better to fight than to accept the will of the people, the fight to overthrow them will be a long fight."

[end of excerpts...but many other just as crazy thoughts found at the following link. This thread continued for THREE entire weeks before the moderator finally stepped in. But as of today, Tuesday, April 14, 2009, the thread is still up on the Democratic Underground website.-ETL]

Democratic Underground Discussion Board
Topic: "Arming the Left: Is the time now?":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x41313

"Lori Price CLG (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-22-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #10
16. Yes, spread the word, even if you *didn't* read it, that there *will* be riots! Yes! Riots, and a whole lot more!..."

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CLG General Manager is Lori Price.

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2 posted on 04/18/2009 9:14:56 PM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

What? These lefties would not know which end of the weapon to point.


3 posted on 04/18/2009 9:16:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Westlander

After o won, a democrat friend of mine said things wouldn’t be as bad as I thought. He was right. Things are a whole lot worse than I thought.


4 posted on 04/18/2009 9:18:50 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Westlander

TMLC is a very good group. I have donated to them before. I will have to start donating again.


5 posted on 04/18/2009 9:19:11 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Cold Heart

Go ask your friend what about now. If he still thinks O is good then find a new friend.


6 posted on 04/18/2009 9:23:20 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Westlander
I AM
The Freedom-loving,
GOD Worshiping,
Pro-Life,
Constitution-Supporting,
Military Veteran,
Patriot,
HOMELAND SECURITY
WARNED YOU ABOUT!

7 posted on 04/18/2009 9:28:34 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Frantzie

I just gave them some money to support this cause. I suggest every freeper send them $5-10 bucks, too. Skip a six pack, you redneck racists.


8 posted on 04/18/2009 9:30:01 PM PDT by erkyl (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office --Aesop (~550 BC))
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To: Frantzie
The guy is a typical naive democrat. He has no idea what his party is doing. I get to embarrass him regularly on his ignorance. Ignorance is what is killing our country.
9 posted on 04/18/2009 9:33:16 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Westlander
Good news!


10 posted on 04/18/2009 9:33:16 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Westlander

The Democrats and the Obama Administration are going to REAP the WHIRLWIND on this one! Its very transparent Napolitano has slipped on the banana peal. I think she should resign. Give it a few weeks.


11 posted on 04/18/2009 9:40:25 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Education is the Answer: www.EagleAerospaceAcademy.Com)
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To: Westlander

Thomas More Law Center is at it again;

just makes me want to go out and buy a Domino’s pizza!


12 posted on 04/18/2009 9:52:14 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Westlander
I hate to throw cold water here, but I'm not sure this passes the "standing" (harm or imminent harm) test or the "cause of action" test. What has the government done so far beside run their mouth? I know labelling someone a potential terrorist or "right wing extremist" is not nice, but this is not a defamation claim, and that won't win unless it is at a specific individual.

I like a lot of what the Thomas More Center stands for, but I'm skeptical of the chances here. I hope I'm wrong, because I do think that is a dangerous report. I don't think it is an illegal report at this time, until bad actions are taken.

13 posted on 04/18/2009 10:24:08 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: Darren McCarty

IIRC Judge Napolitano said, in summary, that when the report can be perceived as a threat meant to silence....it’s illegal. Is that right, do you know?


14 posted on 04/18/2009 10:46:24 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Flying my flag upside down until our constitution is respected/our nation is restored.)
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To: Westlander; All

“The lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host, Michael Savage, Gregg Cunningham (President of the pro-life organization Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, Inc (CBR)), and Iraqi War Marine veteran Kevin Murray. “

I wonder why just these three. I know little about law, but couldn’t what is called... a class action suit... be filed and any of us that wants, sign on to it?


15 posted on 04/18/2009 10:51:07 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Flying my flag upside down until our constitution is respected/our nation is restored.)
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To: Kimberly GG
IIRC Judge Napolitano said, in summary, that when the report can be perceived as a threat meant to silence....it’s illegal. Is that right, do you know?

I believe that's right, and that's the $64,000 question here. Threats are tough, although not impossible, to prove unless they are explicit. In addition, is there valid public policy reasons to target those groups listed. Like it or not, a case can be made with guys like Eric Rudolph. It's an extreme example, but that will be argued in the government's response.

I think this lawsuit may work out well in the court of public opinion if nothing else. I wouldn't call it frivolous since an argument can be made for Savage, and valid concerns need to be addressed.

16 posted on 04/18/2009 11:01:01 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Buckley, Brooks, Parker - You supported Obama, so shut up and take your screwing)
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To: Cold Heart

He deserves to be embarrassed. Does he have kids?

I have a buddy who works with a naive fool like this guy you know. He asked him about his kids and essentially how O will totally screw his kids future.

The guy is finally starting to wake up and regret voting for the Kenyan-born Islamo-marxist.


17 posted on 04/18/2009 11:21:42 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: erkyl

Good idea. I would really love if all conseravtives would yank tyhe plug on cable and sat TV and use the savaings for groups like TMLC. By killing lib newspapers and lib TV news - we might get our country back from the vermin.

The lib newspapers are on life support Thank God because millions of trees will be saved. Better to have trees then yellow/red sheet propaganda trash.


18 posted on 04/18/2009 11:24:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Westlander
It is very illuminating to see who has been characterized as potential terrorists by 0bowdown's administration.

All positions that correspond directly with the views held by the Founding Fathers as reflected in the DoI and Constitution. Including the Federalist position which just happens to be the POV that prevailed in the drafting and ratification of our Constitution.

Could it get any clearer that this administration actively opposes the principles this country was founded on? Who then is really the true threat to this Republic? Who are the real radicals and rebels?

Go ahead, 0bambi. Cross the Rubicon. I dare you!


19 posted on 04/18/2009 11:44:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Westlander

In the report, dated April 7 but begun last year, the Department of Homeland Security’s intelligence section stated, “The return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

A footnote that defined rightwing extremist groups as primarily hate-oriented or anti-government also stated, “It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

Acknowledging criticism by veterans’ groups, Napolitano said yesterday on CNN, “I apologize for that offense. It was certainly not intended.”

Napolitano is a liar. The words were chosen very deliberately, and she definitely views veterans as a problem. Well, if veterans are considered to be potential terrorists, who bear close watching by our government, then we need to change the government. Veterans are those who have protected our Constitutional rights by defending America, but Obama’s Napolitano views veterans as the enemy within.

Her wording also suggests that opponents of abortion are potential terrorists. That would include the Pope and a wide range of U.S. citizens. What Napolitano really means to say is that anyone with a conservative point of view is her enemy, and Obama’s enemy. Obama obviously isn’t going to fire her; he agrees with her.


20 posted on 04/19/2009 5:08:54 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: TigersEye
Could it get any clearer that this administration actively opposes the principles this country was founded on? <<<

In a major domestic policy address at Georgetown University this week, Barack Obama promised -- eight times -- a "New Foundation." For those too thick to have noticed this proclamation of a new era in American history, the White House Web site helpfully titled its speech excerpts "A New Foundation."

Charles Krauthammer: Obama's Faulty 'Foundation'

21 posted on 04/19/2009 5:15:45 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel

Krauthammer lays it bare. It’s just one lie after another with this jug-eared pretender.


22 posted on 04/19/2009 12:13:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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