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Darwin--Unwittingly a "Creationist"
Answers Magazine ^ | Jason Lisle, Ph.D.

Posted on 04/19/2009 8:00:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Evolutionists often attempt to use observational science—arguments from biology, paleontology, geology, or even astronomy—to support their belief. But the really interesting thing is that they base all their arguments on principles that ultimately come from biblical creation! As strange as it may sound, evolutionists must unwittingly assume that creation is true in order to argue against it. That means that Darwin was (in a sense) a “creationist.” All evolutionists must borrow the principles of biblical creation in order to do science (even though they would deny this). Here is why...

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1 posted on 04/19/2009 8:00:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Ping!


2 posted on 04/19/2009 8:01:07 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Darwin was a Christian not an atheist, Its you creationists that claim he was an atheist (with all scientists) and then claim he contradicts himself by having God based principles. Unfortunately to those that only read creationist sources like this, they see no contradiction because all they know is your straw man.
3 posted on 04/19/2009 8:56:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (RNC Party Theme : "We may be socialists, but they are Marxists!")
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To: GodGunsGuts

“If this world were nothing but a cosmic accident, if our brains were nothing but rearranged pond scum, then why would they be able to understand the universe?”

Most people fit into the “rearranged pond scum” category, don’t they? I mean, who just got elected president of the U.S.?

You’d think that an all-knowing, omnipotent god would do better.


4 posted on 04/19/2009 8:58:07 AM PDT by guns_for_liberty
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To: sickoflibs

Darwin was more of an agnostic, especially later in life.


5 posted on 04/19/2009 9:00:34 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The author’s arguments apply just as well to any creation myth as they do to the Bible. I guess that means Darwin was an unwitting Zoroastrian, too.


6 posted on 04/19/2009 9:10:48 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: guns_for_liberty

“I mean, who just got elected president of the U.S.?

You’d think that an all-knowing, omnipotent god would do better.”

We get the government we deserve.
Who has been dumbing down the education in this country?
In the begining there was “right” and “wrong”, and we have been compromising in the “wrong” direction ever since.
Are you expecting continued blessings from a God, Who has watched us defy his teachings, written on our heart?


7 posted on 04/19/2009 9:22:48 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama's plan = "STEALING FROM THOSE WHO CREATE THE JOBS!")
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To: sickoflibs

Darwin was a tool.


8 posted on 04/19/2009 9:25:39 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: G Larry

I’m just saying that the left in this country has not shown itself to have risen above the level of pond scum, contrary to the claims of the article.


9 posted on 04/19/2009 9:42:30 AM PDT by guns_for_liberty
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
The author’s arguments apply just as well to
To do [astrology], certain things must be true. The universe must be logical and have some organization to it. Moreover, the human mind must be capable of rational thought—capable of considering the various alternatives and then choosing the best
An argument that can apply to anything, applies to nothing
10 posted on 04/19/2009 10:02:52 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Obama water dog don't swim)
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To: guns_for_liberty

[[You’d think that an all-knowing, omnipotent god would do better.]]

He does- it’s fitting into the ‘beginning of the end’ plan just fine- God raises up whom He will for His own purposes which are often beyond our comprehension- however, the end times will usher in fear, then calm as the ‘one world government’ ‘offers a solution’- then hwam! Just when everyone htinks everyhtign is solved, and all is well- the antiChrist will do what he was designed to do- and the end will be near- We’re in an economicly fearful position the world over now, and what do we see? Yup- Obama turnign to the un for help, and spending liek a drunken sailor on shore leave- plunging us further into future crisis- enacting all manner of ‘climate change’ taxes, mandating that auro companies spend billions upgrading hteir factories to produce ‘eco-friendly’ autos, cries of ‘climate crisis’ all over the world- etc- all leading to an economic crisis which the ‘one world government’ will have to ‘solve’

This may or may not be the end times, but it sure is following along very closely with the scenario the bible prophesied about- If so- then God has rasied up who He willed, and there’s really nothign we can do about it-

By the way- these bad times are upon us because of our rejction of God, and was prophesied of in the bible as well- We are beyond repentance- we have turned our backs on the very God that raised up our tiny naiton to be oen of hte most powerful forces in all the world- We were ungrateful, and we’ll reap what we have sown- and obama is just a tool of that reaping


11 posted on 04/19/2009 10:12:11 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
By the way- these bad times are upon us because of our rejction of God

When we had far worse times such as the Great Depression, was that because of our rejection of God? Just curious.

12 posted on 04/19/2009 10:55:53 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's "magic" is another man's engineering. "Supernatural" is a null word. -- R A Heinlein)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Fools.


13 posted on 04/19/2009 10:56:14 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

I know! The Darwiniacs don’t even realize that they have to assume creation in order to argue against creation...LOL!!!


14 posted on 04/19/2009 2:48:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

“When Charles Darwin first explained the matter, many people either wouldn’t or couldn’t grasp it. I myself flatly refused to believe Darwin’s theory when I first heard about it as a child. Almost everybody throughout history, up to the second half of the nineteenth century, has firmly believed in the opposite - the Conscious Designer theory. Many people still do, perhaps because the true, Darwinian explanation of our own existence is still, remarkably, not a routine part of the curriculum of a general education. It is certainly very widely misunderstood.” ~ Richard Dawkins

http://www.vidyaonline.net/arvindgupta/dawkinsblindwatchmaker.doc

I agree it is very sad when people mock what the do not understand.


15 posted on 04/19/2009 9:03:26 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

So when did you lose your faith, Ira?


16 posted on 04/19/2009 9:08:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: sickoflibs
Darwin lost his faith, if indeed he ever had faith, long before the publication of Origins.
17 posted on 04/19/2009 9:09:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 04/19/2009 9:29:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
To do science, certain things must be true. The universe must be logical and have some organization to it. Moreover, the human mind must be capable of rational thought—capable of considering the various alternatives and then choosing the best. But if evolution were true, then we would have no reason to expect either of these conditions.

What? Young earth creationists argue constantly that the "assumption of uniformity" is precisely where "evolutionists" go awry. Until today, I guess.

19 posted on 04/20/2009 7:17:47 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: Ira_Louvin

[[I agree it is very sad when people mock what the do not understand.]]

Sadder still when peopel beleive that a process which is a biologically, mathematically, chemically and natural impossible act was ‘done by nature’- but who are we to argue with people’s right to beleive whatever they want?


20 posted on 04/20/2009 9:11:10 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Never have it is still here.


21 posted on 04/20/2009 4:26:02 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: sickoflibs

He lost his faith after the death of a child.


22 posted on 04/21/2009 7:51:35 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: GodGunsGuts

YECers continually start with the premise that evolution requires ‘something from nothing’. That is simply not true.


23 posted on 04/21/2009 7:54:02 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer

RE :”He lost his faith after the death of a child.’

and decided to make up an ape theory to get revenge?


24 posted on 04/21/2009 7:54:26 AM PDT by sickoflibs (RNC Party Theme : "We may be socialists, but they are Marxists!")
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To: sickoflibs

I don’t think that Darwin was vindictive against God but he did make some comments about the irrationality of some beliefs. Anyway, it wasn’t “made up” and is still the best natural explanation that we have. The special creation hypothesis may very well be true (somehow) but its supporters insist on avoiding any attempt to explain things using the scientific method.

“God did it by means we mortals can never understand so don’t you dare ask any more questions.”

Does this sound about right?


25 posted on 04/21/2009 8:11:21 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Soothesayer
RE :”God did it by means we mortals can never understand so don’t you dare ask any more questions.

And dont forget that Darwin tricked many people into going to hell by getting them to think about how all those fossils got in the ground, and how light got to us from the stars millions of light years away, when God REALLY just made look that way a few thousand years ago, just to see if we had pure hearts.

I think the argument of this article was that Darwin used the assumption of 'order' to form 'logic' which was stole from the creationists. But as you point out, questions being forbidden (Like the fruit from the book of Knowledge) is not logic.

26 posted on 04/21/2009 11:52:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs (RNC Party Theme : "We may be socialists, but they are Marxists!")
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