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The Truth About Columbine
National Review Online ^ | April 20, 2009 | Robert Verbruggen

Posted on 04/20/2009 10:58:31 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior

Ten years ago today, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed their high school with bombs and guns. They killed 15 people, including themselves, and injured 23 others, some severely. The nation thought the shooters’ parents were mostly to blame. Adults cast a suspicious eye on high-school-age males who were bullied, played violent video games, listened to Marilyn Manson, took an interest in the macabre, enjoyed shooting guns, or dressed like “Goths.”

Americans had to respond somehow, but at the time they could not respond to the facts: There was little information available, and much of what was available was false. The county police department suppressed and even destroyed key documents, the confusion of the situation spawned many myths, and people’s biases spawned many more.

But now that the police documents have become public and some investigators have been willing to speak to the press, we have a basically complete account of the day’s events and the surrounding circumstances. Journalist Dave Cullen, who’s been on the story since the beginning, pulls that account together in Columbine.

The book is a must-read for anyone who wants to understand what happened on April 20, 1999. Cullen arranges the story almost like a novel, with various storylines advancing simultaneously. His prose is clear, simple, and direct. Through the facts he presents, his own analysis, and the analyses of others, Cullen provides good answers to the two central questions: What exactly happened that day? And what made Harris and Klebold do it?

(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; columbine; harris; klebold
Modern society is increasingly vulnerable to psychopaths. A key survival skill for individuals and for communities is the ability to recognize and to avoid psychopaths - masters of deception; vicious, conscience-free, and irredeemable.
1 posted on 04/20/2009 10:58:32 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior
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To: gorilla_warrior

Were they veterans, or something? < /s>


2 posted on 04/20/2009 11:01:21 AM PDT by gridlock (Build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life.)
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To: gorilla_warrior
‘Of the 76 bombs that Klebold and Harris threw during their 47-minute siege on Columbine, 30 exploded and 46 did not explode. In addition, they had planted 13 bombs in their cars (12 in Klebold’s and 1 in Harris’) that did not explode and 8 bombs at home. Plus, of course, the two propane bombs they planted in the cafeteria that did not explode.’

Still no clear explanation on how they carried so many bombs around, how large they were, in any comparison to size. ie hand grenade.

Pretty impressive arsenal for two clowns.

3 posted on 04/20/2009 11:03:32 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Like some politician who views baies as punishment and won’t release hi birth certificate or school papers?


4 posted on 04/20/2009 11:04:07 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

baies=babies


5 posted on 04/20/2009 11:04:34 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: BGHater

This travesty was a monument to cowardice.

Worst was the law enforcemnt yellowtails, who shrunk outside while children were being killed. The question was: What is more important, the lives of the unarmed children inside or the armed law enforcement officers outside?

They stayed outside.....waiting “for backup,” while children were murdered.

Cowards.


6 posted on 04/20/2009 11:07:11 AM PDT by Loud Mime (If Christians cannot unite in battle to save this nation, it will be lost)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Yes Congress is full of them. Thank God the ACLU forced the closing of the asylums in the 80’s.


7 posted on 04/20/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: gorilla_warrior
Columbine School Shootings Darrell Scott on Forgiveness
8 posted on 04/20/2009 11:09:35 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: gorilla_warrior

It’s hard to avoid psychopaths when they succeed in getting elected to the presidency.


9 posted on 04/20/2009 11:10:50 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: gorilla_warrior
They killed 15 people, including themselves, . . .

No, they killed 13 people - then decided to be the cowards they were by taking their own lives instead of taking legal responsibility for their actions by way of being tried in a court of law.

10 posted on 04/20/2009 11:12:06 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Just a little nit-picking thing, but I would never count murderers among their victims or even as “people.” The article SHOULD read “killed 13 people and themselves...”


11 posted on 04/20/2009 11:13:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: BGHater
Still no clear explanation on how they carried so many bombs around

I have read in some early news reports that these guys did most of their bomb-building in their home garages,and that the mother of one actually saw the butt of a shotgun (or some other long gun) sticking out of a bag that he was carrying out of his bedroom.It's hard to know what's true or not.
One hard truth remains...these deranged criminals were allowed to carry out this massacre without being hindered by police,who appeared to be more than capable of taking them out and stopping them,or at least saving a few more lives.An armed teacher could have stopped what was happening as well.It's so sad.
12 posted on 04/20/2009 11:16:05 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (For the sake of our Republic....RAISE HOLY HELL!)
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To: Little Ray

That’s not a “little” nit there, Ray...


13 posted on 04/20/2009 11:16:33 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: gorilla_warrior

Prozac kills.


14 posted on 04/20/2009 11:24:13 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (NO, YOU CAN'T.)
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To: gorilla_warrior
Darrell Scott, father of 2 Columbine victims, speaks to Congress
May 27. 1999

At this very moment in a cemetery in Southern Denver - Chapel Hill Cemetery - they're erecting 13 crosses that I think are well known across the country, as a permanent memorial at the head of my daughter's grave. And my heart really longs to be there with my children, Bethany and her husband Don, Dana, Craig, and Mike, but it's with their blessing that I'm here today, and I appreciate that.

I realize that I'm a mere pawn in today's hearings, but I'm a willing pawn, because I dare to believe that I can make a difference. Every once in awhile, a pawn has been used to checkmate a king. I have no hidden agenda, and of course I have no political aspirations. I simply speak to you as a brokenhearted father, and I only ask that you allow your heart to hear me for the next few minutes.

Since the dawn of creation, there has been both good and evil in the hearts of men and women, and we all contain those seeds: We contain the seeds of kindness and we contain the seeds of violence. And the death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joyce Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other 11 children who died, must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used, neither was it the NCA - the National Club Association - the true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in his heart. In the days that followed the Columbine trudged, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA, I am not a hunter, I do not even own a gun, I'm not here to represent or to defend the NRA, because I don't believe they are responsible for my daughter's death, therefore I don't believe they need to be defended by me. If I believed that they had anything to do with Rachel's murder, I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy, it was a spiritual event which should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies. Much of that blame lies here in this room - much of that blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.

I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expressed my feelings best, and it was written before I knew that I would be speaking here today, and I'd like to read that:

Men and women are three part beings: we have a body, and we have a soul, and we have a spirit ... And I believe we fail to recognize that third element, that really does need to be recognized by the legislative bodies of this country, that's been ignored for so long. Spiritual influences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries, and we know this is a historic fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We've refused to honor God, and in doing so we opened the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs, politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that continue to erode away our personal and private liberties.

We don't need more restrictive laws. Erik and Dylan would not have been stopped by more gun laws or metal detectors. No amount of laws can stop someone who spends months of planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. Political posturing and restrictive legislation are not the answers. The young people of our nation hold the key, and there is a spiritual awakening that is taking place that will not be squelched. We don't need more religion, we don't need more gaudy television evangelists spewing out verbal religious garbage, we do not need more million dollar church buildings built while people's basic needs are being ignored. We do need a change of heart and a humble acknowledgement that this nation was founded on the principle of simple trust in God.

When my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he didn't hesitate to pray in school, and I defy any law or politician to deny him that right. I challenge every young person in America and around the world to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School, prayer was brought back to our schools. Don't let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millenium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your conscience and denies your God-given right to communicate with Him.

And to those of you who would blame the NRA, I give to you a sincere challenge: dare to examine your own heart before you cast the first stone. My daughter's death will not be in vain: the young people of this country will not allow that to happen. And remember that even a pawn in a master's hand can accomplish much.

Thank you very much.

15 posted on 04/20/2009 11:26:21 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: nralife

Powerful.

Thank you.
Tatt


16 posted on 04/20/2009 11:26:23 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Nobles oblige ...


17 posted on 04/20/2009 11:36:16 AM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: Loud Mime

They dug in and formed a defensive line as if 10,000 screaming North Koreans were going to burst out of the building at any moment, machine guns blazing.

Sickening.


18 posted on 04/20/2009 11:42:02 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: BGHater

Still no clear explanation on how they carried so many bombs around, how large they were, in any comparison to size. ie hand grenade.”

And where did they store them? I’d know if my sons were making and storing pipe bombs in my house. 76 bombs would be more than obvious.


19 posted on 04/20/2009 11:48:27 AM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: gorilla_warrior

I’ve noticed with curiosity that some people can spot a psychopath pretty quickly whereas some never do.

If more were able, “Who’s Sane” wouldn’t have gotten in.


20 posted on 04/20/2009 11:54:50 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Communism - Hezbollah - Al Qaeda - Obama - Stone Age - CHAOS)
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To: yazoo

In so many cases kids get suspended or even charged with a crime for innocently taking a pocket knife or some relatively harmless weapon to school. In this case all the signs should have been obvious but they were not stopped. Unreal.


21 posted on 04/20/2009 11:56:51 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: GadareneDemoniac

Americans are not comfortable with friendly fire deaths involving children. The Israelis are a bit more lenient in that regard.

If the gunmen has been aware that there were armed people in the building, they may have deterred by that. The Virginia Tech gunman checked the classrooms for badges before he started shotting.


22 posted on 04/20/2009 11:58:25 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: gorilla_warrior
What exactly happened that day? And what made Harris and Klebold do it?

We wonder as we turn our children into psychopaths with SSRIs

23 posted on 04/20/2009 12:00:58 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Loud Mime

bfl


24 posted on 04/20/2009 12:04:42 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: BGHater; All

As part of their plan, after they stopped killing at the school, they were going to go to the Airport, hijack a jet, and fly it into a building.

Pure, unadulterated evil.


25 posted on 04/20/2009 12:05:10 PM PDT by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: Loud Mime
This is the yellowtail who was calling the shots that day.


26 posted on 04/20/2009 12:09:51 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Loud Mime
It is even worse than that. One of the Deputy Sheriffs who was assigned to the school exchanged shots with one of these nutjobs and then left to "get help". COWARD>

When it comes to kids I stay until I am out of bullets or blood and not that is not armchair bravado. Twice in my civilian life I have had to protect others - once people I did not even know. Mad 2, bad guys 0.

27 posted on 04/20/2009 12:12:40 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: mad_as_he$$
One of the Deputy Sheriffs who was assigned to the school exchanged shots with one of these nutjobs and then left to "get help". COWARD>

Revisionist history BS. Gardner did not leave the scene. Clowns like you should be working for CNN.

28 posted on 04/20/2009 12:26:52 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Loud Mime

I’ve long felt this way as the only SWAT activity I saw was parade like marches to show off gear. A couple of our current warriors could have handled the incident quickly with far fewer losses.


29 posted on 04/20/2009 12:58:26 PM PDT by mcshot (The line in the sand has been drawn: It's good vs evil.)
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To: TNCMAXQ
In so many cases kids get suspended or even charged with a crime for innocently taking a pocket knife or some relatively harmless weapon to school.

Yes, like Ashley Smith, the 11 year old girl with a Tweety Bird keychain!

30 posted on 04/20/2009 1:00:10 PM PDT by nralife (Sarah doesn't know it's a damn show! She thinks it's a damn fight!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
You need to learn to read. I never said he "left the scene". I said he "left" meaning he did not continue to engage the gunman. HE RETREATED to behind two vehicles behind which his unit was parked. His unit WAS NOT HIT! He stayed there and kept calling for help first on the South side and then the West.

Get it right before you start calling names and throwing insults. Do not get me started on how F'ed up SWAT was that day.

The US Army taught me to press your advantage. He thought he hit the gunman in the first exchange he should pressed the attack especially since Smoker arrived at that time.

Hey here's and idea. Do not read my posts if you do not like them!!! Keep your stupid a$$ opinion to yourself since you insist on defending cops all over FR when they commit acts that cannot be defended in any logical mind.

31 posted on 04/20/2009 1:00:18 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: gorilla_warrior
It's amazing that psychopaths aren't a more widely discussed topic since some estimate them as being 4% or even more of the population. A key reason can be found in this article.

"There's still a lot of opposition -- some criminologists, sociologists, and psychologists don't like psychopathy at all," Hare says. "I can spend the entire day going through the literature -- it's overwhelming, and unless you're semi-brain-dead you're stunned by it -- but a lot of people come out of there and say, 'So what? Psychopathy is a mythological construct.' They have political and social agendas: 'People are inherently good,' they say. 'Just give them a hug, a puppy dog, and a musical instrument and they're all going to be okay.'"

If Hare sounds a little bitter, it's because a decade ago, Correctional Service of Canada asked him to design a treatment program for psychopaths, but just after he submitted the plan in 1992, there were personnel changes at the top of CSC. The new team had a different agenda, which Hare summarizes as, "We don't believe in the badness of people." His plan sank without a trace.

Basically, it's political correctness denying the truth.

I'm also becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of post-modernism, moral relativism, and what passes for modern moral philosophy is the product of psychopaths who have never feel that anything is "just wrong", thus they promote a world view where right and wrong don't exist and nothing is truly and objectively wrong. And if the psychopaths are in leadership positions in academia, politics, and so on, they have no interest in esposing themselves to the public and every interest in denying that they exist.

32 posted on 04/20/2009 1:05:24 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: nralife

I LOVE your tagline! Coy little reference to one of my favorite movies!


33 posted on 04/20/2009 1:13:43 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: AppyPappy

“The Israelis are a bit more lenient in that regard.”

And Palestinians and Muslims are even MORE lenient than the Israelis - hard to believe, isn’t it?!?


34 posted on 04/20/2009 1:16:11 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: gorilla_warrior
We have to understand Columbine as well as other similar tragic school shootings in terms of the perpetrators. It is not the fault of society, too easy to get guns or other causes favored by liberals, but kids or adults who are psychopaths. The Columbine killers are really no different than Charles Starkweather, Ted Bundy or even the 9-11 terrorists in that they have an all encompassing desire to kill other human beings.

A very good point is what would have happened if these killers had been captured alive and had stood trial. I am sure there would have been a litany of liberal platitudes about how these poor boys were misunderstood and were not deserving of harsh punishment. Quite frankly had they been captured alive the most fitting punishment for them would have been execution. Fortunately they took care of that themselves.

35 posted on 04/20/2009 1:24:28 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

“I’m also becoming increasingly convinced that a lot of post-modernism, moral relativism, and what passes for modern moral philosophy is the product of psychopaths who have never feel that anything is ‘just wrong’, thus they promote a world view where right and wrong don’t exist and nothing is truly and objectively wrong.”

This is in FACT the cause of the majority of the declines in America and around the world! There is no “evil” (other than the Bush administration - ask a liberal), these people are just misunderstood, maladjusted human beings that have had a hard life and need added support (read hug, puppy dog and instrument) to expose them to the “love” of the world. Forget that they beat the puppy to death with the instrument and “hugged” it till it’s innards popped - BTW, can the government send more money for additional puppies and instruments!

So, does the technical definition of insanity apply here or what?


36 posted on 04/20/2009 1:26:45 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Shortly after Columbine I remember reading an article that cited all of the then existing guns laws that had been broken in the shooting. Does anyone recall how many already existing laws were broken?


37 posted on 04/20/2009 1:36:02 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

“...and not that is not armchair bravado.”

I don’t believe it is. You are a culture relic.

Every man who lived on the street where I grew up, (especially if he had a sidearm on his hip) would have gone into that building under those circumstances that day. They would not have swaggered in, shoulders swinging and eyes slitted with grim purpose, rather, they would have turned pale, their eyes would have bugged, they would have utterd “Jesus Christ”-—and then done what they had been raised to do and what the culture expected of them.

“Culture” is all. It really is.


38 posted on 04/20/2009 1:42:43 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: A.A. Cunningham
This is the yellowtail who was calling the shots that day

Did he call any "shots?"

Here's from an article about a teacher who died. Notice that this teacher did more than any SWAT team member.

Born October 22, 1951 47 years old

William "Dave" Sanders was a computer and business teacher at Columbine for 25 years, and coach of the girls' basketball and softball teams. He left behind his wife, four children and five grandchildren.

His students said he was a teacher, a friend, a mentor and an inspiration. When the gunmen started firing outside the school he ran to the cafeteria and sounded the alarm. He, along with two of the school's janitors, helped get more than 100 students out of the path of danger by herding them away from the shooters. He saved untold numbers of lives that day.

By the time the gunmen arrived, the cafeteria was nearly empty thanks to him. He was in the upstairs hall trying to get students safely hidden in classrooms when he was shot from behind by Eric Harris. He was hit in the torso, head and neck. He managed to get himself into a science lab (listed as UA24 in the Columbine Report, and SCI-3 on blueprint maps of the school) where he bled to death waiting for help that 911 dispatchers told students who were helping him was coming, but never arrived.

Trying to get help up to Coach Sanders, student Deidra Kucera posted a sign in the window: "1 BLEEDING TO DEATH". The sign was ignored. Despite their attempts to save him, Dave Sanders died nearly three hours later from blood loss. His last words were reported to be: "Tell my family I love them."

Dave's daughter Angela said at his funeral: "What you did in that school on Tuesday was an amazing act of heroism. Even after you were hurt, you continued to be the brave, selfless man we all know you are."

Source

39 posted on 04/20/2009 2:05:32 PM PDT by Loud Mime (If Christians cannot unite in battle to save this nation, it will be lost)
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To: nralife

ping to above


40 posted on 04/20/2009 2:10:31 PM PDT by Loud Mime (If Christians cannot unite in battle to save this nation, it will be lost)
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To: gorilla_warrior
FBI agent downplays son's film

41 posted on 04/20/2009 2:29:36 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Loud Mime
Worst was the law enforcemnt yellowtails, who shrunk outside while children were being killed. The question was: What is more important, the lives of the unarmed children inside or the armed law enforcement officers outside?

Same happened in NY a week ago. Cops arrived in minutes, waited and hour to go in.

Ever watch 'Cops'?
One line you hear over and over.
'..and I get to go home tonight'.

What's the point of having SWAT teams dressed like stormtroopers and then they stand around until it's deemed safe for them to enter.

42 posted on 04/20/2009 2:50:49 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: TalBlack
Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I am a culture relic and proud of it.
43 posted on 04/20/2009 4:40:22 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: gorilla_warrior
I remember that day. We graduated in 1994, and a group of friends of mine were together the weekend after for a college graduation.

We all said “If that happened back home we would have ran to our cars and grabbed our own guns.”

But that was in Nebraska, in different time.

44 posted on 04/20/2009 5:45:54 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Gees, it felt like yesterday. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are your run in the mill psychopaths. Harris and Klebold were bullies and gleefully bragged about it in their diaries.


45 posted on 04/20/2009 9:22:25 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: The Great RJ

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are proof that some people born evil like Fred Phelps, Lori Drew, Osama bin Laden/September 11 Terrorists, Adolf Hitler, and Joseph Stalin.


46 posted on 04/20/2009 9:24:52 PM PDT by Ptarmigan (God Hates Bunnies. God Loves Ptarmigans)
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To: Lady Jag

I believe anyone can be trained to spot a psychopath, even though they are masters of deceit. Sociopathic behavior exhibits a broad range. There are many telltale signs:

Pathological lying
Total lack of remorse, guilt, or conscience
Refusal to accept responsibility
Conning/manipulative
Glibness/superficial charm.
Grandiosity
Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Shallow affect
Callous/lack of empathy
Parasitic lifestyle
Poor behavioral controls
Promiscuous sexual behavior
Early behavior problems
Impulsivity
Many short-term relationships
Criminal versatility

Sociopathy is primarily genetic, and there is no treatment. It can be spotted in young children who gleefully inflict pain on others and who laugh off any attempt to shame them for theior cruelty. The only protection against psychopaths is to avoid them at all costs. This is why the idea of “rehabilitation” of career criminals, almost all of whom are psychopaths, is out of the question. Most politicians and many lawyers exhibit psychopathic behavior.

The Clintons are a textbook example of a psychopath with a companion enabler. At Columbine, harris was the psychopath, Klebold was the enabler. Do-gooders are the psychopath’s best friends, because do-gooders are enablers who assist in facilitating mayhem and avoiding consequences.


47 posted on 04/21/2009 11:25:53 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Liberalism is a hate crime that can no longer be tolerated.)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Conscience free? Haven’t we been told for many years that there is no right or wrong, no absolutes - it’s just a matter of opinion. There was even advice from “experts” that used to be promoted in the media that parents shouldn’t pass their values on to the children but let them make up their own minds when they grew up.

One thing is for sure, this type of bizarre behavior co-incides with the liberal overturning of all of our values and concepts of reality.

I think feminism also has done much damage to the psychology of males. They have stripped males of a sense of self and special purpose in life. Throughout their formative years, young males only hear negative things about themselves. And if they have a feminist mother and clueless father, they are especially vulnerable. It is very odd, but you did not hear of these kinds of crimes in other generations.


48 posted on 05/02/2009 10:07:37 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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