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McCain facing 2010 primary
Politico ^ | Ben Smith

Posted on 04/21/2009 9:25:25 AM PDT by Hawk720

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To: DiogenesLaertius

Reagan’s 11th Commandment had nothing to do with primaries.


101 posted on 04/21/2009 2:00:21 PM PDT by Terpfen (Ain't over yet, folks. Those 2004 Senate gains are up for grabs in 2 years.)
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To: the long march
Did you read my whole post? I said Roe v Wade should be overturned but meddlesome government is not a conservative view point.

Depends on your definition of "meddlesome." I personally think that protecting the innocent from being murdered is a legitimate function of government.

102 posted on 04/21/2009 2:54:35 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: calcowgirl
Wasn't JD Hayworth a potential candidate? Now more than ever folks should convince him to run, IMO.

I agree. I like Chris Simcox, but let's face it - it's true that he doesn't have any experience, and despite all the talk that we Americans make about "outsiders" and all, we still have our own cursus honorarum, just like the Romans did. Generally, you need to start at the local level, or at least run for (and win) a House seat, before moving on to the Senate. Simcox probably needs to run for his Congressional District's seat, whenever it opens up, before he thinks about moving on to higher office.

103 posted on 04/21/2009 2:59:09 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Third Parties are for the weak, fearful, and ineffectual among us.)
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To: calcowgirl
I thought "Oh, no... not Simcox. Surely we can do better."

My question for you is, You and I know Simcox couldn't win election for dog catcher, Why are you not calling everyone promoting Simcox and idiot, a lunatic or both ?

104 posted on 04/21/2009 3:59:39 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: rabscuttle385; BillyBoy; chicagolady; fieldmarshaldj; Arizona Carolyn; calcowgirl; darkangel82

Baring the unlikely event someone stronger gets in Simcox has my endorsement.


105 posted on 04/21/2009 4:05:08 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: staytrue
My question for you is, You and I know Simcox couldn't win election for dog catcher, ...

I don't know that. I know that a bunch of pro-Amnesty RINOs used to run around here sliming the guy, and most of that was proved baseless, but I don't know much else about the guy. Hence I said I thought we could do better. Did you miss the part about JD Hayworth in my post?

Why are you not calling everyone promoting Simcox and idiot, a lunatic or both ?

I don't see folks promoting Simcox as much as I do promoting the defeat of John McCain. And that I agree with. As to namecalling, who would you label "idiot" or "lunatic"... and if you think so, why would you look to someone else to express your views for you? (assuming that I ever agreed with you, that is)

106 posted on 04/21/2009 4:30:42 PM PDT by calcowgirl (RECALL Abel Maldonado! - NO on Props 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F)
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To: gimme1ibertee
On the other...how much legislative or political experience does he have?

He's not supposed to have any! Our Constitution was set up for citizen legislators not the professional legislators we've seen in DC lately. That's why the country is in trouble.

107 posted on 04/21/2009 4:48:05 PM PDT by McGavin999 (How's that change old Hopey Dope promised you working out?)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

additional


108 posted on 04/21/2009 6:25:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Hawk720

Where do I donate???


110 posted on 04/21/2009 7:03:41 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Terpfen

primaries is where and when people need to fight like hell.. to strengthen their party... and heaven knows the GOP needs strengthening.... that is how they finally got rid of Cannon in Utah last year. The key here will be turnout, the turnout the last few elections has been pitiful (and it was up in Utah which turned out to be a blessing)... If he can turn out all the people angry about illegal immigration here in Arizona — and Obama is stupid enough to try and push Amnesty the next 18 months — McCain will have a tough fight... but count on Soros to pour tons of money in here to elect their democratic candidate.


111 posted on 04/21/2009 8:53:59 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DoughtyOne

I just hope after all the nasty stuff his daughter has alluded to Palin and the dising McCain himself has poured out, that Sarah doesn’t have a soft heart and show up here at the 11th hour to bail him out.


112 posted on 04/21/2009 8:55:18 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

You and me both. She might feel compelled to be the bigger person, but I would hope not. She doesn’t owe this guy anything, and it would cost her some credibility IMO.


113 posted on 04/21/2009 10:40:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Well you know if he is in trouble he will turn to her... it will be interesting if we start to see a change in his comments and attitude now that he knows he may have a re-election problem, my $$$ is we will suddenly start seeing him say how wonderful she is.


114 posted on 04/21/2009 10:46:22 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: numberonepal

Goooooood.....That’s better!:)


115 posted on 04/22/2009 5:19:29 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (For the sake of our Republic....RAISE HOLY HELL!)
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To: Hawk720
Almost makes me want to move to Arizona just so I could vote for Chris and dump that sorry excuse for a Republican, Juan 'Amnesty' McCain.
116 posted on 04/22/2009 7:30:24 AM PDT by Ron H. (I believe in and practice the 4 Gs : God, gold, guns and a garden)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yep, that sounds like vintage McCain. We’ll see.


117 posted on 04/22/2009 10:33:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I wonder if he will shut his daughter up.

Looks like the people who ran Don Goldwater's campaign for governor in 2006 are involved with Simcox, I find this most interesting since McCain sits on Barry Goldwater's senate seat.

118 posted on 04/22/2009 12:43:48 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

He might ask her to tone it down. He might also make light of it and state how wonderful it is that his daughter is free to say what she wants, since he’s such a good father. “I disagree with her, but I defend her right to be wrong.”

This guy is a snake. He’ll work it whichever way he thinks will buy him the most brownie points. If ever there were a ‘go whichever way the wind blows’ guy, this is a perfect example of one.


119 posted on 04/22/2009 1:02:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

He might ask her to tone it down. He might also make light of it and state how wonderful it is that his daughter is free to say what she wants, since he’s such a good father. “I disagree with her, but I defend her right to be wrong.”

This guy is a snake. He’ll work it whichever way he thinks will buy him the most brownie points. If ever there were a ‘go whichever way the wind blows’ guy, this is a perfect example of one.


120 posted on 04/22/2009 1:03:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It was funny that Simcox was on Fox this morning and they asked McCain to come on and he refused. I was afraid Simcox would hire people to work for his campaign who would cause him to be looked at as a fringe candidate, but smartly he seems to be going after some of the movers and shakers in teh state to help him... his advisor said they plan to work to bring back in all the Republicans who re-registered independents because of McCain and Kyl.


121 posted on 04/22/2009 1:11:56 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

That’s weird, I didn’t think I hit the post button twice.

I didn’t comment on the Goldwater topic.

I respected Senator Goldwater. In his later years he made some interesting decisions, but I don’t think any of us is spot on with regard to every issue over time.

It’s somewhat sad when I see someone I’ve had a lot of respect for over the years, come out on the wrong side of an issue.

For instance, I never agreed with Reagan that a zero nuclear weapons option was ever going to be a same approach to our defense needs. That being said, Ronald Reagan would never have let our defenses down foolishly. He would have been unable to implement the zero option, and would have been sad about it, but he would never have done it in today’s world. At least that’s my take on it.

I view Barry in pretty much the same way. I respect him, but I didn’t agree with everything he said.

With McCain it’s the opposite. I don’t trust a thing the guy says. And over time, just because he makes a mistake and says something we like, we know it was a mistake and he’ll be back to his same old self in moments.


122 posted on 04/22/2009 1:12:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

That’s a good plan. I haven’t heard Simcox much. When I have heard him, I’ve been impressed by his instincts, not allowing himself to be cornered saying something inappropriate. As for his MinuteMan project, I think he did a good job, keeping the riff raff out for the most part.

In this day and age, I cannot believe that a guy like him would have a hard time garnering a large following. Kudos to him and I wish him every good break on the path he has selected.


123 posted on 04/22/2009 1:15:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

BTW, when it comes time next spring, I will try to make it over to help out for a few days. Keep me in mind.


124 posted on 04/22/2009 1:16:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: DoughtyOne

A friend was telling me a few minutes ago that AZ minutemen groups are gearing up to help Simcox and whoever declares against Harry Reid, too.... things may be looking up...


125 posted on 04/22/2009 1:29:18 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: meandog; All

Lovely, just lovely. Another candidate with “baggage”.

I don’t know if all the claims in that article are true. Probably not.

But is it true that he’s been divorced twice? That he was violent with one of his exes? That he’s estranged from his son and daughter? Did he really try to join the Border Guard before his Minutemen efforts?

All of these things are pretty easily verifiable (or falsifiable) and would be slung like the mud they are in the primary. His politics now seem desirable, but if the portrait painted by that article are true, he’s pretty unstable and, as bad as McCain is wouldn’t be as unreliable. That is, at least we know that McCain is consistently RINO. Which is better, a consistent RINO or an inconsistent “conservative”?

All of this is just stemming from my frustration about not being able to (apparently) find any candidate for any public office without some kind of serious “baggage”. If I were involved in his campaign, I’d try to stem some of the mud from that article off at the pass, by having him address some of the more serious charges first, before McCain gets his hands on them.

But seriously, WHY can’t there be a candidate without baggage? I was just skimming through this thread to see if he had a website set up for donations yet.

*sigh*


126 posted on 04/22/2009 1:29:25 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: DoughtyOne

all good points... I just think this could be interesting since Mcain loves to brag about holding this particular seat, if Goldwater relatives help take it back from McCain for someone else it strikes me as humerous.


127 posted on 04/22/2009 1:32:17 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FourtySeven
where did you hear all that? Hes married, ha three kids being homeschooled, is a former teacher himself, is pro-lfe..

< http://www.simcoxforsenate.com/index.php?p=biography

128 posted on 04/22/2009 1:40:22 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn; meandog
where did you hear all that? Hes married, ha three kids being homeschooled, is a former teacher himself, is pro-lfe..

In the post that meandog posted. If you know him personally, you might want to alert him about that article.

129 posted on 04/22/2009 1:45:19 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
No, I don't know him personally, but I can tell you Tucson and Flagstaff are both very left-leaning liberal bastions in Arizona and you need to careful what comes out of both areas... when you take a look at Mark Potok I would take anything he says about anyone with a very large grain of salt, he sounds like he'd get along fine with Meghan McCain, but not very well with a right-leaning, conservative.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-potok

130 posted on 04/22/2009 1:56:29 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: meandog
I think you best take a look at Mark Potok before using him as a "hmmmmmmmmm" against Simcox!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-potok

131 posted on 04/22/2009 1:57:25 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

First, let me say that what you just said is a very good rebuttal to the article in question, don’t get me wrong.

I’m just TIRED of having to apologize for every candidate I support. I’m just whining about the baggage. Again, what you said is a very good rebuttal, and I’d probably use it myself, but it doesn’t address every single point in the article.

For example, is it true that he was violent with his past 2 wives? Is it even true that he HAD 2 wives previously? Did he try to join the Border Patrol before his Minuteman efforts?

These are all questions that quite frankly, while may be “puffed up” by some leftist hack journalist, aren’t necessarily complete fabrications. After all, if they were/are, then Mr. Simcox has a pretty good case for libel against whoever wrote that piece.


132 posted on 04/22/2009 2:14:11 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; meandog

Addendum to my post 132:

Apparently someone named Tim Vanderpool wrote the article meandog posted. Again, if the claims in the article are completely false, Mr. Simcox should be willing to at least say so publicly and quickly if not take Mr. Vanderpool to court.

I’m not trying to be a wet towel here, but really, again, I’m tired of being these potential candidates’ apologists. I’ll BET you this stuff is gonna come out in the primaries.


133 posted on 04/22/2009 2:18:38 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks for the link.

I see nothing anywhere on there that talks about the fund raising for the fence Simcox was going to build. How did that come out? What did he do with the $$? Did he ever disclose his financials from that deal?

While I agree, that ANYONE is better than McCain, I would think Arizona could do better than Simcox. He’s exactly what the left/McCain would like to take down.


134 posted on 04/22/2009 2:25:03 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I sure hope so.


135 posted on 04/22/2009 2:59:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

No doubt about it, that would be the icing on the cake.

Love it.

D1


136 posted on 04/22/2009 2:59:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: AuntB
There is rumors someone else is getting ready to declare as well. I think the key here is McCain is finally going to have some competition and will have to show up and answer to the voters in Arizona instead of taking us for granted as he has done for years here in Arizona.

The general consensus of opinion on McCain here is he has forgotten about the people of Arizona .... the very people who sent him to Washington to represent our interests.... that he is only focused on national and foreign issues. McCain dislikes having to deal with the citizens back here because, frankly we are too right wing for his tastes out here.... his daughter and here beliefs didn't fall all that far from the old tree.

As for Simcox, I've been searching and there isn't a lot of info pro or con on him, I think it will start to bubble out, but one thing that is interesting, he can't be too stupid, he has managed to wrest control of the AZ GOP out of the total control of John McCain and without that accomplishment no one would have been able to challenge McCain.

BTW over at Redstate they are not pleased that McCain is being challenged the same time as Specter is being challenged.... guess we can't handle changing to old farts in one election term.

137 posted on 04/22/2009 3:01:24 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Folks, CONTROL THE LOCAL AND YOU CONTROL THE NATIONAL PARTY.

Remember, the RINOs count on outside the base money. However they can’t save ALL the RINOs.

There is Specter, McCain, and in the open seat in FL there is crist.

By controling the locals WE CONTROL the volunteers, WE CONTROL the local constributions, WE CONTROL the absentee ballots for the senior homes...


138 posted on 04/22/2009 3:08:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
"There is rumors someone else is getting ready to declare as well. I think the key here is McCain is finally going to have some competition and will have to show up and answer to the voters in Arizona instead of taking us for granted as he has done for years here in Arizona."

Hooray! I'm all for that!

BTW over at Redstate they are not pleased that McCain is being challenged the same time as Specter is being challenged.... guess we can't handle changing to old farts in one election term. "

I suppose it's some of that 'the devil you know vs. the devil you don't'. Same reason women stay with men that abuse them. It's all pretty primitive if you ask me. We really aren't picking our leaders any better than they did hundreds of years ago...instead we still let them divide us up in 'camps'.

We the people? More like We the R's, the D's, the gays, the blacks, the hispanics, the north, the south, the muslims, the catholics, the mormons....ad finitum!

And the best they can agree on is the John McCain's of this country?? Primitive.

Please Arizona, get rid of McCain, but be careful what you wish for.

139 posted on 04/22/2009 3:11:39 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: FourtySeven

I’m reading there is someone else going to throw in the battle as well. Personally, I think we all would be better to watch, read, separate truth from fiction and then decide by next year’s primary what is what, best of all, however, is McCain is going to have to show up and answer for himself here..... something he has not had to do in many, many years... he looks down on the people he represents and everyone knows it.


140 posted on 04/22/2009 3:22:38 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FourtySeven
But seriously, WHY can’t there be a candidate without baggage?

Because that's the type of people drawn to politics?

141 posted on 04/22/2009 3:37:10 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: AuntB

Did you see Carl Cameron’s report on Simcox a few minutes ago, said not to confuse his minuteman group with the one that is always in the news, his is the one that observes and reports only...


142 posted on 04/22/2009 4:58:40 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FourtySeven

Carl Cameron said he tried to join the border patrol after 911 and was turned down because he was “too old” that is when he formed the minuteman project... also said not to confuse him with the other minuteman group that is in trouble all the time.


143 posted on 04/22/2009 5:00:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“also said not to confuse him with the other minuteman group that is in trouble all the time.”

In trouble over what? What trouble? Internal squabbling? Simcox is the master at that. Both he and Gilchrist did a fantastic job disclosing the problem of the border. Both have ego’s ten miles wide.

First, everyone, Simcox formed MCDC. Jim Gilchrist formed the Minute Men. They combined for a while, until the organizations became a mess within, as they always do.


144 posted on 04/22/2009 5:19:24 PM PDT by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; rabscuttle385; chicagolady; fieldmarshaldj; Arizona Carolyn; darkangel82
Simcox is unlikely to beat McCain in the primary, but McCain REALLY does need to take the hint and retire. In any other country, he would have announced he was "stepping down" from the government the moment his party failed to win with him on top of the ticket -- EVEN if they had gained seats on his coat tails (which the Republican certainly didn't do in 2008 -- but notice how the leader of the British conservatives and NZ conservatives retired from parliment when they 'came up short', even though they did far better than McCain) Bob Dole set the example in 1996 when he announced he was resigning from the Senate due to the party nominating him for President. It's a shame no Senator since then has followed his lead. We desperately need term limits in this country because politicians don't know how to ride off into the sunset gracefully. McCain will be 80 if he serves out another six year term, and almost certainly be a past-his-prime former "leader" of the party in a Senate controlled by Dems, and therefore won't chair any committees. Now... given those circumstances... Honestly, WHAT does he hope to accomplish in the next six years that he hasn't done in the first 28?? We need to write McCain and ask him that question. He needs to be encouraged to "rethink" his retirement plans.

J.D. Hayworth is not going to challenge McCain in the primary. In fact, Hayworth endorsed McCain for President in both the 2000 and 2008 primaries. It seems sometimes that I'm the only freeper who noticed that, since his name is continually floated as a potential McCain challenger. Ain't gonna happen.

Endorse Simcox? If I had to choose between the two of them, I'd probably vote for him over McCain, but not until I know where he stands on other issues besides immigration. Any candidate I support will have to be at least as good or superior to McCain on key issues like right to life, traditional families, cutting government waste (one of the few areas where McCain is pretty solid, IMO), lower taxes, gun rights, and of coruse, the WOT -- I certainly won't back any surrender monkey's like the alleged "true conservative" from SC who wanted to sing kumbaya with terrorists. My guess is that Simcox is pretty solid on these issues, but my rule is thumb is always verify first. In any case, the drive-by media will villify Simcox as a hate-filled nut and portray him as a single issue candidate, so it's unlikely he's the one who can take out McCain.

I do think it's somewhat hypocritical of freepers to blast the MoveOn.org crowd in 2006 for "turning on their own party's presidential ticket nominee" and ousting LIEberman in the RAT primary, if we're willing to do the same to McCain in 2010 (though I admit there's a big difference as McCain has never been liked/trusted by conservatives, whereas liberals were happy with LIEberman for years, until he didn't do their bidding on the war issue)

145 posted on 04/22/2009 5:39:06 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; Arizona Carolyn
Simcox is unlikely to beat McCain in the primary, but McCain REALLY does need to take the hint and retire.  Arizona Carolyn, one other person here, and I discussed this late last year, if I remember the time frame correctly.  The consensus on their part was that McCain would be getting votes from both parties, thus a very difficult task of taking him down by an alternate Republican.  They know their state better than I do, but I'll be damned if I'll give up on this without a fight.  Simcox will get serious money from me.  I'll travel to the state and go door to door if that will help.  There isn't another political figure in this nation that has done more to defeat Conservatism over the last twelve years, than John McCain.  The lefties tried, but they weren't able to do it from within.  John was, and he utilized that advantage every chance he got.  God damn him.

In any other country, he would have announced he was "stepping down" from the government the moment his party failed to win with him on top of the ticket -- EVEN if they had gained seats on his coat tails (which the Republican certainly didn't do in 2008 -- but notice how the leader of the British conservatives and NZ conservatives retired from parliment when they 'came up short', even though they did far better than McCain) Bob Dole set the example in 1996 when he announced he was resigning from the Senate due to the party nominating him for President. It's a shame no Senator since then has followed his lead. We desperately need term limits in this country because politicians don't know how to ride off into the sunset gracefully. McCain will be 80 if he serves out another six year term, and almost certainly be a past-his-prime former "leader" of the party in a Senate controlled by Dems, and therefore won't chair any committees. Now... given those circumstances... Honestly, WHAT does he hope to accomplish in the next six years that he hasn't done in the first 28?? We need to write McCain and ask him that question. He needs to be encouraged to "rethink" his retirement plans.  The only answer is that John plans on continuing his efforts to destroy Conservatism from within the Republican Party.  Democrats may read this and get excited, thinking McCain would defeat us.  But the truth is, John in all his selfishness, is helping to take this nation down.  He runs cover for Obama's plans constantly.  He support closing Gitmo.  He supported Obama's carbon plans, or something close to it.  He voiced support for the cuts in procurement for our military.  John is a traitor to Conservatism.  And folks, you can read that as a traitor to our nation, when you realize what his support of Obama's policies will ultimately lead to.  The ballot box is the place to take John down, and the spring of 2010 looms large.

J.D. Hayworth is not going to challenge McCain in the primary. In fact, Hayworth endorsed McCain for President in both the 2000 and 2008 primaries. It seems sometimes that I'm the only freeper who noticed that, since his name is continually floated as a potential McCain challenger. Ain't gonna happen.  I have appreciated J.D. Hayworth at times.  I find his support of John McCain to be disgusting.  That being said, I think he would be far better than McCain in Washington, D.C.  Still, if he's going to support McCain, then he's damaged goods in my book.

Endorse Simcox? If I had to choose between the two of them, I'd probably vote for him over McCain, but not until I know where he stands on other issues besides immigration. Any candidate I support will have to be at least as good or superior to McCain on key issues like right to life, traditional families, cutting government waste (one of the few areas where McCain is pretty solid, IMO), lower taxes, gun rights, and of coruse, the WOT -- I certainly won't back any surrender monkey's like the alleged "true conservative" from SC who wanted to sing kumbaya with terrorists. My guess is that Simcox is pretty solid on these issues, but my rule is thumb is always verify first. In any case, the drive-by media will villify Simcox as a hate-filled nut and portray him as a single issue candidate, so it's unlikely he's the one who can take out McCain.  I don't know everything there is to know about Simcox, but I do know quite a bit about McCain, and Simcox would have to work awfully hard full time to be as big a turncoat as McCain.  I've studied McCain, and I don't need to study Simcox much to know he's a damned site better than that bitch McCain.  And yeah, I mean John.  On the border alone, something that is being used to take our nation down, Simcox got it right.  Seriously, that's all I need to know.

I do think it's somewhat hypocritical of freepers to blast the MoveOn.org crowd in 2006 for "turning on their own party's presidential ticket nominee" and ousting LIEberman in the RAT primary, if we're willing to do the same to McCain in 2010 (though I admit there's a big difference as McCain has never been liked/trusted by conservatives, whereas liberals were happy with LIEberman for years, until he didn't do their bidding on the war issue)  Frankly I don't give a fig what MoveOn.Org did/does with regard to Lieberman.  When it comes to John McCain, there's just one topic on my mind, and that's working my ass off to get him defeated in the primaries of 2010.  There isn't a side issue important enough to move me off that goal.  John has been in Washington, D.C. since around 1982.  He was a Congressman first and now a Senator.  Twenty-eight years is a lot of seniority.  Even if Simcox was bad in some areas, as a freshman he would not be in a position to do near the harm McCain can and does.

In 2010, my first three operative words are, Adios John McCain.

For those who think there could be something worse than McCain out there, I would remind you that John has at one time or another been on every side of every issue.  He talks a good game, then betrays you.  If I and others get our way, the only person he'll have a chance to betray after November 2010, is Cindy.  I wouldn't wish that on her, but I don't wish it on the nation either, and it comes first.

146 posted on 04/22/2009 7:16:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Pres__ent Obama's own grandmother says he was born in Kenya. She was there.)
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To: Ben Mugged
As much as I dislike John McCain as a politician. I have to say that Simcox is worse.

I am a card-carrying Arizona Minuteman who was on the border from day-one. But Simcox is as crooked as the Rio Grand River.

He will be taken down by his own -- mark my words.

147 posted on 04/22/2009 9:35:31 PM PDT by grayeagle (Ronald Reagan -- the President of my lifetime.)
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To: FourtySeven

Yes, he definitely has been married twice before, and his second wife filed court petitions for full custody of their son because he was acting so erratically and was dangerous.

The Southern Povery Law Center (which hates him, of course), posted a bunch of legal documents about him on their website a long time ago. Disregard the article - it’s all their biased crap. But the documents are court documents.

http://www.splcenter.org/news/item.jsp?sid=27


148 posted on 04/24/2009 12:50:20 PM PDT by Hawk720
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