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'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers [SUN SPOTS HAVE DISAPPEARED]
BBC News ^ | 2009/04/21 05:04:15 GMT | Pallab Ghosh

Posted on 04/21/2009 10:28:59 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee


Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year (r)

There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the quietest it has been for a very long time.

The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.

The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.

Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet spell. But instead it hit a 50-year year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 04/21/2009 10:28:59 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

uh-oh...


2 posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:17 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

This is ALL George Bush’s fault...


3 posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:26 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Earth cooling here we come!


4 posted on 04/21/2009 10:30:55 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("Only Property Owners that pay taxes should have the right to Vote")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

5 posted on 04/21/2009 10:31:21 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Who is EveningStar?)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
The sun refuses to follow Al Gore's global warming agenda. Lack of sunspots portends an ice age. Gore will not be pleased. The rest of us may freeze and starve as a consequence of not paying attention to the actual physical phenomena instead of the agenda driven hoax.
6 posted on 04/21/2009 10:31:56 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Jessica Simpson is right...Proactiv works!


7 posted on 04/21/2009 10:33:09 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Looks like the sun used some Proactiv and cleared up its complexion :)


8 posted on 04/21/2009 10:33:12 AM PDT by GQuagmire (Who is EveningStar?)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Calm before the storm?


9 posted on 04/21/2009 10:33:40 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Human-caused Global Warming finally affects the Sun, just like al gore said it would!


10 posted on 04/21/2009 10:33:48 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

She’s gonna blow!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 04/21/2009 10:33:53 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; Salamander

It’s just sitting there, thinking about whether to incinerate us now ... or later.

(Animistic Universe anyone?)


12 posted on 04/21/2009 10:34:04 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Just resting for the big one like back in the late 1800’s. Only this time there's the whole world's electronics to fry, not just teletype operators to nearly electrocute.
13 posted on 04/21/2009 10:34:17 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
And here we are going to all the trouble of trying to stop global warming and the sun is going to do it for us. Al Gore has to be disappointed.
14 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:22 AM PDT by kempo (you are)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Does the alignment in 2012 have anything to do with this?


15 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:49 AM PDT by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die; Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death)
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To: GQuagmire
There used to be a version of that "OH NOES" .gif with ManBearPig in it ...

I can't seem to find it anymore.

Bummer.

16 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:53 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2001convSVT

Cooling is a lot worse than warming.

Late frosts, crop failures, things like that.

Of course, yesterday, the British news was warning of massive solar storms that would destroy all technology.


17 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:58 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Bookmark


18 posted on 04/21/2009 10:35:59 AM PDT by dragnet2 (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Obama Executive Order #2009-666.


19 posted on 04/21/2009 10:36:50 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Myrddin

Well, at least by the time the climate really starts to cool we will be paying out the rear for energy to heat ourselves. That is, of course, if our current leaders have their way.


20 posted on 04/21/2009 10:36:52 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Back in high school I used to observe the sun everey day just to see the spots and track them. With a small refractor (properly filtered of course!) I could easily see dozens of very large spots. It’s hard to imagine the sun now blemish free....C


21 posted on 04/21/2009 10:37:22 AM PDT by colinhester
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To: Zeppelin

LOL!!


22 posted on 04/21/2009 10:38:17 AM PDT by peace with honor
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Let’s send Al “Baby” Gore and the new environmental Czar on a space cruise to find and fix the problem with the sun. Obviously it’s a racist thing now that the dark spots on the sun are gone.


23 posted on 04/21/2009 10:39:44 AM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: waxer1

“Does the alignment in 2012 have anything to do with this?”

I heard on the history channel that s huge gamma ray explosion has occurred and is on the way to fry the earth so stop worrying about the sun.

Do we have to wait until imminent death before cutting loose and going wild?


24 posted on 04/21/2009 10:40:09 AM PDT by y6162
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To: colinhester

Hydrogen-Alpha filter, or projection?


25 posted on 04/21/2009 10:41:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2001convSVT
Earth cooling here we come!

Not to worry!

We can keep warm by capping and trading.

26 posted on 04/21/2009 10:42:37 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: shibumi
Animistic Universe anyone?

You know, I just watched a movie on cable the other night, Stardust, which used the same meme that Madeleine L’Engle introduced in Wrinkle - namely the idea of a star [in this case, Claire Danes's character], which has fallen to earth and must live as a human [sort of a dead star as fallen angel theme].

It's an interesting idea, here, though - that God might actively interfere with the fusion in the Sun and turn it up or turn it down depending upon His pleasure or displeasure with His children.

PS: If it weren't for the pervasive sodomy in the movie, Stardust would actually be kinduva nice story.

27 posted on 04/21/2009 10:42:43 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

Oh my God! We’re all going to freeze to death.


28 posted on 04/21/2009 10:43:08 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Myrddin
Lack of sunspots portends an ice age.

So those guys back in the 70s who predicted one are turning out to be right. IIRC, it was all Man's fault then, too, so I hope it's just coincidence.

29 posted on 04/21/2009 10:45:02 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Someone cleaned the lense?


30 posted on 04/21/2009 10:45:08 AM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: y6162

“Do we have to wait until imminent death before cutting loose and going wild?”

Why not?


31 posted on 04/21/2009 10:46:01 AM PDT by waxer1 ( Live Free or Die; Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death)
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To: GQuagmire

More panic

32 posted on 04/21/2009 10:46:14 AM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

All of this is vindication for Al Gore’s claim: “We are altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe.”

Perhaps it’s time to bail out the Sun.


33 posted on 04/21/2009 10:49:20 AM PDT by ForeignDude
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; All
Solar/sunspot Cycle 24, which began in Jan 2008, is especially slow to get going with activity. In fact, 2008 had the most sunspot-free days of any year in the past 50.

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From NASA.gov, September 30, 2008:

Coinciding with the string of blank suns is a 50-year record low in solar wind pressure, a recent discovery of the Ulysses spacecraft. (See the Science@NASA story Solar Wind Loses Pressure.) The pressure drop began years before the current minimum, so it is unclear how the two phenomena are connected, if at all. This is another mystery for SDO and the others.

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"There is also the matter of solar irradiance," adds Pesnell. "Researchers are now seeing the dimmest sun in their records. The change is small, just a fraction of a percent, but significant. Questions about effects on climate are natural if the sun continues to dim."

Article:
Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age [50 years]

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Astronomers who count sunspots have announced that 2008 is now the "blankest year" of the Space Age

As of Sept. 27, 2008, the sun had been blank, i.e., had no visible sunspots, on 200 days of the year. To find a year with more blank suns, you have to go back to 1954, three years before the launch of Sputnik, when the sun was blank 241 times.

"Sunspot counts are at a 50-year low," says solar physicist David Hathaway of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center. "We're experiencing a deep minimum of the solar cycle."

And it is a very quiet time. If solar activity continues as low as it has been, 2008 could rack up a whopping 290 spotless days by the end of December, making it a century-level year in terms of spotlessness.

Hathaway cautions that this development may sound more exciting than it actually is: "While the solar minimum of 2008 is shaping up to be the deepest of the Space Age, it is still unremarkable compared to the long and deep solar minima of the late 19th and early 20th centuries." Those earlier minima routinely racked up 200 to 300 spotless days per year.

Some solar physicists are welcoming the lull.

"This gives us a chance to study the sun without the complications of sunspots," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "Right now we have the best instrumentation in history looking at the sun. There is a whole fleet of spacecraft devoted to solar physics--SOHO, Hinode, ACE, STEREO and others. We're bound to learn new things during this long solar minimum."

As an example he offers helioseismology: "By monitoring the sun's vibrating surface, helioseismologists can probe the stellar interior in much the same way geologists use earthquakes to probe inside Earth. With sunspots out of the way, we gain a better view of the sun's subsurface winds and inner magnetic dynamo."

"There is also the matter of solar irradiance," adds Pesnell. "Researchers are now seeing the dimmest sun in their records. The change is small, just a fraction of a percent, but significant. Questions about effects on climate are natural if the sun continues to dim."

Pesnell is NASA's project scientist for the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO), a new spacecraft equipped to study both solar irradiance and helioseismic waves. Construction of SDO is complete, he says, and it has passed pre-launch vibration and thermal testing. "We are ready to launch! Solar minimum is a great time to go."

Coinciding with the string of blank suns is a 50-year record low in solar wind pressure, a recent discovery of the Ulysses spacecraft. (See the Science@NASA story Solar Wind Loses Pressure.) The pressure drop began years before the current minimum, so it is unclear how the two phenomena are connected, if at all. This is another mystery for SDO and the others.

Who knew the blank sun could be so interesting?

More to come...

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm

Related article:
Solar Wind Loses Power, Hits 50-year Low - Sept. 23, 2008
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/23sep_solarwind.htm

34 posted on 04/21/2009 10:49:52 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; All
Although sunspot cycle 24 is VERY slow to get underway (decades-long records are being broken --it officially began in Jan 2008), over the course of the past 80-100 years sunspot numbers have actually been through the roof. That is, during each *peak* of the 11-year solar activity cycle throughout this 80-100 yr period. Cycle-24 has now begun but is not expected to get really busy for a couple more years yet (will the high level of sunspot activity continue?). The peak of SC-24 isn't expected until 2011 or 2012. The following which I pieced together, describes a possible connection between solar/sunspot activity and climate.-etl

If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks every apprx 11 yrs) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".-etl


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From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface.

This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm
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It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all. /s

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun (the sun isn't getting warmer) but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a couple of yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now -the next sunspot max is expected in about 2011 or 2012), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level, sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field deflects incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube (old-time television tube) or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-etl
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There's an excellent new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing this theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm
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And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate
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From a well-referenced wikipedia.com column (see wiki link for ref 14):
"Sunspot numbers over the past 11,400 years have been reconstructed using dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred over 8,000 years ago. The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[14]"

[14] ^Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred & Beer, Jürg (2004), “Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years”, Nature 431: 1084–1087, doi:10.1038/nature02995, . Retrieved on 17 April 2007 , "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved on 2005-03-11.


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"Reconstruction of solar activity over 11,400 years. Period of equally high activity over 8,000 years ago marked.
Present period is on [the right]. Values since 1900 not shown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation
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From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections. These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling. Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroom/notsofaq.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE
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NASA graph of sunspot activity over the past 400 years [note the profound lack of sunspot activity during the "Little Ice Age" period (apprx 1650-1720), AND the sharp INCREASE particularly during the past 60 years:

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/images/ssn_yearly.jpg
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100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:

ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

35 posted on 04/21/2009 10:50:13 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
CO2 emissions are causing the Sunspots to disappear.

Everyone hold your breath!!!

36 posted on 04/21/2009 10:50:41 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

I demand congress fund my “Sunspot Restoration Project” today! Funds will be accepted in gold bullion.


37 posted on 04/21/2009 10:53:42 AM PDT by PogySailor (We're so screwed.....welcome to the American Oligarchy)
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To: Liberty1970
My thoughts exactly...

2012 here we come!

/sarc

38 posted on 04/21/2009 10:54:11 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: sniper63

bookmark


39 posted on 04/21/2009 10:56:57 AM PDT by Marie ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
So does this mean the ‘moon’ is rising and leaving spots?
40 posted on 04/21/2009 10:57:54 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet spell.

Que?

41 posted on 04/21/2009 10:59:17 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
"Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (left), but not this year (right)"

Important to note, there is an *11-year sunspot cycle*. In 2001, the Sun was near a peak. We are now in a minimum period of the cycle, an especially deep one at that. The next peak isn't due until 2011 or 2012, perhaps later.

42 posted on 04/21/2009 11:03:38 AM PDT by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: P-Marlowe
From the original posted article:

No-one knows how the centuries-long waxing and waning of the Sun works. However, astronomers now have space telescopes studying the Sun in detail.

This sentence really encapsulates the basic flaw with the entire man-made global warming supposition. Earth's climate is very complex with elements of atmosphere, inner earth dynamics, ocean movements and sun activity playing a role. To what extent we can measure or control or manipulate to achieve a desired effect is unknown.

The bottom line is that we have no idea what we can do to make the earth warm or cool with any certainty by implementing man-made activities. At this point, all we know for sure is that we might make it better, we might make it worse, or we might have no effect.

43 posted on 04/21/2009 11:05:17 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: ETL
sunspot activity... [was] almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age"...

It's pretty dadgum amazing that the Puritans were able to establish a permanent beachhead in Massachusetts [& New England] during that time.

You think it gets cold in the Foxboro Stadium during the playoffs nowadays? Try to imagine what the poor Puritans were shivering through, back in the day.

44 posted on 04/21/2009 11:09:43 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: kempo

” And here we are going to all the trouble of trying to stop global warming and the sun is going to do it for us. Al Gore has to be disappointed. “

God has a wonderful sense of humor....


45 posted on 04/21/2009 11:11:28 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
What's funny is that the scientist interviewed about this says it doesn't matter what the Sun does, because it can't save us from overheating from CO2 by going dormant.

He claims that in the mid-1980’s, the Sun was at its most active and has been less active ever since, but our temperatures have kept going up. As if the lead time for influence couldn't be longer than scientists have estimated (however, we've had some really active years for the Sun since, too).

I can't wait to watch people lambaste this guy when our global temperatures keep going down and the only reason is that the sunspots have stopped, making the solar wind, etc. all go down.

46 posted on 04/21/2009 11:11:33 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (When you're RuPaul posing as the wife of the president, you need all the make-up help you can get.)
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To: Smedley; GQuagmire

Even MORE panic! Aaaaiiiieee!!!

47 posted on 04/21/2009 11:13:24 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: ETL

Too much thinking for liberals.

Can you get it onto a postcard or bumper sticker?


48 posted on 04/21/2009 11:13:32 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

Absolutely correct. Science really is still in its infancy across almost all disciplines.

Excepting the soft sciences which are designed for infants.


49 posted on 04/21/2009 11:15:43 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

wow. ‘cool’ stuff.

sol a blank canvas.. for now.


50 posted on 04/21/2009 11:16:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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