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Political commentator Fareed Zakaria says GOP must have growth
NewsOK ^ | April 15, 2009 | JAMES S. TYREE

Posted on 04/21/2009 1:44:49 PM PDT by americanophile

Political commentator Fareed Zakaria told a University of Oklahoma gathering that the Republican Party needs to grow for the good of the country.

Zakaria, seen regularly on CNN and ABC News and the editor of all Newsweek international editions, was not simply playing up to his red-state audience.

He said the GOP is becoming a regional party controlled by a base dominated by radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, whose average listener is age 67.

Meanwhile, a majority of people younger than 30, working women, college graduates and minorities — all demographics on the upswing — voted Democrat in the last election.

Zakaria said the trend is pointing to a vocal Republican base that’s shrinking coupled with an emboldened Democratic Party that feels it no longer needs moderates from either party.

"We’re ending up in a 1½-party system, and that’s not healthy,” he said Monday at an OU President’s Associates dinner. "We need a two-party system, and that only happens if the Republican appeal expands.”

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We are facing both a branding and a demographic crisis.
1 posted on 04/21/2009 1:44:49 PM PDT by americanophile
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2 posted on 04/21/2009 1:46:30 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

I’m a recent college graduate and, contrary to what the article said, I certainly did NOT vote for Obama.

Don’t blame me, I voted for Sarah!!!!!


3 posted on 04/21/2009 1:46:32 PM PDT by wk4bush2004 (PALIN-BACHMANN, 2012......."GIVE ESTROGEN A CHANCE!!!!")
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To: americanophile

Translation: The Republican Party needs to become even more liberal so they are dead for good.


4 posted on 04/21/2009 1:47:01 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: wk4bush2004

...unfortunately trends indicate that your increasingly the exception rather than the rule.


5 posted on 04/21/2009 1:47:30 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

You forgot the blowing chunks alert.


6 posted on 04/21/2009 1:47:59 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: americanophile

The GOP better pay attention to the Tea Partiers or else.


7 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:01 PM PDT by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: americanophile

Does Fareed Zakaria have any good ideas for how to achieve said growth?


8 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:01 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: americanophile

The conservatives need a party. The GOP is not a conservative party.


9 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:08 PM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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To: americanophile
That settles it!

We have to adopt Democrat policies or we're doomed.

We must advocate cradle-to-grave, single-payer health care.

We must advocate confiscatory taxes on the rich so we can buy the votes of gang-bangers and illegal aliens.

We must open the borders wide and give American citizenship to anybody who wants it.

We must give social security benefits to the new citizens who never paid a penny into it.

Need I go on?

10 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Only after disaster can we be resurrected." -- Tyler Durden)
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To: americanophile
We are facing both a branding and a demographic crisis.

Actually, one was brought on by the other.

In other words, the branding issue, or simply put, walking away from our principles, caused the demographic crisis.

Even simpler, all of the current GOP problems can be laid at the feet of the GOP walking away from Reagan Conservatism.

"The Big Tent", "Kinder or Gentler Conservatism", and any other marketing term used to move the GOP to the left has failed miserably.

Now we get to see if the GOP is smart enough to recognize the problem.
11 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: americanophile

>> He said the GOP is becoming a regional party controlled by a base dominated by radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, whose average listener is age 67. <<

I call Zakaria out for making up his own statistics.


12 posted on 04/21/2009 1:48:50 PM PDT by dangus
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To: r9etb

...that’s the tough part.


13 posted on 04/21/2009 1:49:28 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

There is no doubt that the GOP, and conservatism, needs to become more accepting of gays and gay marriage to survive. The GOP also has to understand that due to gloabl warming we may only have a few years left to live as we will be drowned soon when the ice melts. It is also clear that more social programs are needed.


14 posted on 04/21/2009 1:50:13 PM PDT by impimp
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To: americanophile

That’s the problem with the Republican party. They’ve been listening to internationalist CFR-type goons like Zakaria for decades.


15 posted on 04/21/2009 1:50:49 PM PDT by SandWMan (Even if you can't legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: americanophile
Well heck! If the GOP could just explain to the little nitwits that “WE TAKE LESS OF YOUR PAYCHECK LITTLE SWEETIES!” Then perhaps we could get some traction with that younger demographic. But when the Republicans cut the entire federal income tax rates and then allowed the Democrats and media — for 6 years — to say “Bush only gave the rich tax cuts” then it doesn't matter what we do if we can't even get the fikin’ truth out.
16 posted on 04/21/2009 1:51:02 PM PDT by avacado
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To: americanophile
Ugly comments from an even uglier person nothing to see here.
17 posted on 04/21/2009 1:51:22 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: impimp

When conservatives become “accepting” of buggery and sodomite “marriage”, they will no longer be conservative. Which, of course, would be fine with many people, I’m sure.


18 posted on 04/21/2009 1:52:22 PM PDT by SandWMan (Even if you can't legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: americanophile

One election does not translate into a realignment no matter how much liberals insist that it does. This past election was unique for a number of reasons. Moreover, the MSM is now thoroughly corrupt and had a hand in propagandizing Obama.

Unless the corrupt MSM is torn assunder there will be little that can be done. The answer is not to assimilate into the Democrat Party as Zakaria intimates, that simply insures our doom, and the doom of the country. Rather, we need to wake up and be willing to sacrifice and not rest on the couch and think someone else will do something.


19 posted on 04/21/2009 1:52:33 PM PDT by Obadiah (Party - my house - on December 22, 2012!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I agree...though the ‘new’ immigrants seem to have very different ideas about the scope of government. We’re importing millions of people who have been weened on anti-American socialism...the old Anglo-Saxon/protestant work ethic demographic is rapidly disappearing.


20 posted on 04/21/2009 1:52:44 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: r9etb

He’s not a Republican, so that’s not really his job. But his point is good: we need to appeal to younger people or we’re not going anywhere. IMO, the way to do that is to rediscover our principles on spending—I can’t imagine most young people are thrilled about paying $20 trillion in debt down the road.


21 posted on 04/21/2009 1:53:35 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: americanophile

he needs to take another look at Rush’s demographics. If those numbers were correct stations would be ditching him right and left.


22 posted on 04/21/2009 1:55:24 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SolidWood

“Translation: The Republican Party needs to become even more liberal so they are dead for good.”

That is certainly a valid translation, and one no doubt meant by the mainstream types in the media and education propaganda organs.

I look at it another way: The Republican Party needs to become a viable alternative to the current left-socialist democratic party, and then grow on that basis. In order to accomplish this, we need:

1. To become the Party of fiscal restraint, and promote that government be limited, not limitless.

2. To agitate and promote those fiscal ideas in our population, starting by coming out with a clear message and infiltrating the propaganda organs in our own “Long March” to accomplish them.

What we should NOT do is get bogged down in making personal issues campaign issues, and by that I mean we should not espouse SOCIAL conservatism. Right now, we can only hope to win if we fight ONE fight at a time. Personally, I consider myself a social conservative; I am a Christian, pro-life, opposed to gay marriage, and want family-oriented activities (usually in context of church or youth sports organizations). If we make them public issues, we will lose the more important fight, which is over the economic and military health and vitality of our nation. If we lose that fight, the social issues don’t matter.

Follow the money. Shrink government by starving it of money. Everything else we want will flow from there.


23 posted on 04/21/2009 1:56:23 PM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: "I'll loan you all the money you need to get out of debt.")
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To: avacado

I don’t even care about taxes as much as I care about spending. If the Republicans cut taxes now, when I’m paying a relatively small amount, but still increase spending at obscene rates, it’s only going to cost me more down the road.


24 posted on 04/21/2009 1:56:41 PM PDT by Arguendo
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Oh, let me guess, we have to abandon all of our core convictions, our religious beliefs, our values, our conservatism, turn our backs on Reagan...

then we’ll have a chance to succeed.

Ask McCain how that worked.


25 posted on 04/21/2009 1:58:01 PM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: manic4organic
The GOP better pay attention to the Tea Partiers or else.

The Tea Partiers are a great political stunt; we must recognize, however, that stunts get nothing done in and of themselves. The hard part will be taking that stunt and putting it to work to achieve actual political change.

Much has been made of the grass-roots nature of the Tea Parties, but that's a curse as well as a blessing.

To make a serious political impact, the Tea Party ideas have got to be taken up and turned into real strategies and implementations ... and that means it has to become the basis of a major party's actions.

In the current political environment it would have to be done by the Republican Party in a way that doesn't sell out the underlying principles. (Fat chance....)

OR.... the Republican Party may have reached its own "Whig Party" moment -- in which case a serious political organization needs to be created to take up the banner. Unfortunately, none of the existing splinter parties seems up to the task at present.

A real, heavy-weight statesman could bring it about. A lesser politician (e.g., not Newt Gingrich, or Sarah Palin at this point of her career) would fail.

SO ... got any ideas for a real, heavy-weight politician on whom we can count to carry these ideas into real action?

26 posted on 04/21/2009 1:58:09 PM PDT by r9etb
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"Translation: The Republican Party needs to become even more liberal so they are dead for good.

I'm certainly not a fan of Zakaria, but his statement taken at and only on face value is accurate. The Republican party is shrinking in size. And, if it were a business, we would say that it's losing market share in a growing market - that is incredibly unhealthy for any venture.

Also, Ronald Reagan carried the youth vote (18-29) by almost 20 full points in 1984. He only lost the youth vote in 1980 by 1 point. GHWB, riding on Reagan's coattails won the youth vote in 1988, and lost it in 1992, but only by single digits. Since that year, the GOP has consistently lost the youth vote by double digits culminating in the shellacking that Barry gave McCain by almost 34 points.

The Dems will be buoyed by the youth advantage, in much the same way that the Republicans were buoyed for twenty years by Reagan's college Republicans.

Reasonable people can debate and disagree about the best way to recapture the youth vote or at least shrink the Dems advantage. But, to discount the GOP problem with the 18-29 block or to ignore the problem all together will spell doom for the GOP party and the conservative movement.

27 posted on 04/21/2009 1:58:45 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: americanophile

Why are they so worried about what the GOP/Conservative movement is doing? They won for heavens sake. If one is not conservative you cannot mold our theme? Geez.


28 posted on 04/21/2009 1:59:42 PM PDT by GoCards
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To: Arguendo

I care about spending too... but my point was that the Republican Party is incapable of getting a messge out and the Democrats are terrific at lying about what the Republicans do. That has got to change or we won’t get anywhere.

8 out of 10 Americans believe that Republicans crashed the US economy. Not good!


29 posted on 04/21/2009 1:59:49 PM PDT by avacado
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To: henkster

Very well put. IMO, the Republican party shouldn’t even abandon socially conservative positions, but it shouldn’t make them the focus of its message. They encompass a small minority of what most politicians actually do, so politicians should keep their focus on fiscal issues, and let other organizations (such as churches) promote the conservative message on social issues.


30 posted on 04/21/2009 1:59:58 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: avacado

While it’s clear neither party bears responsibility for the economic crisis, the Republican party would be in a much better position to get its message out if they’d actually acted on that message in the last eight years. There’s a reason the’ve been afraid to talk about fiscal responsibility, and that’s because the Democrats can easily point a finger back at them on the issue.


31 posted on 04/21/2009 2:02:17 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Birch T. Barlow

“The conservatives need a party.”

If by that you mean another Political Party for those of us with Conservative interests, then you are dead wrong.

Forming a “Third Party” as it is called is precisely what the enemies of Conservatism want us to do. The act of placing ourselves into our own coffin would greatly appeal to them. The Democrats would never again have to worry about those of us whom are true Conservatives ever becoming of sufficient force to cause them to perspire at the brow.

We have to take back the GOP not only to refresh it with Conservative ideals, but to wrest it from the controlling appeal it has to those whom think they are of “Moderate” perspective. Those sorts will be easily led by “Moderate-Leftist” perspectives when in fact we could lead them for the sake of America to “Moderate-Right” perspectives with being in control of the Republican Party.

Should the Socialists win their stake in the Republican Party through their RINO allies, as they won their stake in the Democrat Party years ago, then they would have absolute control.

YOU nor I should want ever to place ourselves into the coffin, reach down and grab the lid, and place it over ourselves as that is precisely what we would be doing should we decide to go a “Third Party”.


32 posted on 04/21/2009 2:02:30 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: wk4bush2004
The GOP don't welcome our kind in their resturant. Damn uppity conservatives don't know their place.

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33 posted on 04/21/2009 2:02:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Arguendo

Exactly. The left is using classic Alynskyism against us by defining us as social conservatives, and then ripping us apart with them. This allows them to grow government without our opposition. We have to ignore this canard and go for the fiscal issues and control the size of government.


34 posted on 04/21/2009 2:04:05 PM PDT by henkster (0bamanomics: "I'll loan you all the money you need to get out of debt.")
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To: Arguendo

I have gone over all the numbers for budget deficits.

Republican Party (fiscal) 1995 - 2007: $1.8 trillion total budget deficit.

Democratic Party (fiscal) 2008 - 2009: $2.25 trillion total budget deficit.

Also, the Republican Congress from 1998 - 2001 is the only Congress to run a budget surplus since 1968!

The Republicans have a much better fiscal responsibility record than the Democrats. No contest!


35 posted on 04/21/2009 2:06:48 PM PDT by avacado
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To: americanophile

Ignore this BS folks. Obama eff’ed the economy. Look at June 2008 Dow and S&P 500 charts. This is when Hillary was out of the race. It was all down hill from there.

Fareed the fellow Islamo traveller with Hussein is clueless about economics as he works for the dying NewsWeak. NW page count keeps shrinking Fareed was on hi sprayer rug and O was smoking dope when Jiminy Carter totally Eff’ed the U.S. economy.

Young people ran from Carter and embraced Reagan.

When Ms. and Mister senior or baby boomer who voted for O realize their retirement is Eff’ed for good they may wake up.

When college kids get out of college with loans and find now jobs (NOW) - they cannot blame Bush.

People like you and me who listen to Rush largely did the same thing after election day. We stopped spending. It is only getting worse.

Sorrry FAREED - we are not being suckered by you or Hussein’s global Islamic caliphate call.

I just hope these Muslims decide to have trials for Bush Administration employees. Go for it.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 2:07:22 PM PDT by Frantzie (Let seniors, boomers & young people who voted for O that they screwed their financial future)
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To: Big_Monkey

Youth advantage? Two words:

Jimmy Carter.
We have an Islamic Jimmy Carter now.

how long will the “youth” with an IQ above 50 be happy they are being dumped on with O’s huge debt or that their are almost NO NO NO jobs now versus 3.9% unemployment with Bush. Most American youth are a lot smarter than we realize.

Ignore Fareed & NewsWeak’s Islamo-Obamo-Marxism.


37 posted on 04/21/2009 2:11:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Let seniors, boomers & young people who voted for O that they screwed their financial future)
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To: americanophile
We are facing both a branding and a demographic crisis.

Conservatives aren't. Republicans may be having an identity crisis, but they've always been that way. Conservatives know who we are and what we stand for; that's how we were able to carry the GOP’s water for nearly 30 years, until the RINOS kicked us to the curb. Now the RINOS want to define Conservatism too,in hopes that real conservatives don't get uppity. I guess they prefer to be in charge of a minority party.

38 posted on 04/21/2009 2:11:40 PM PDT by skully (Right Wing Extremist : Someone who loves America more then a liberal)
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To: avacado

Thank you. The GOP needs to be better but the GOP Congress was a LOT better than we realize.


39 posted on 04/21/2009 2:12:24 PM PDT by Frantzie (Let seniors, boomers & young people who voted for O that they screwed their financial future)
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To: Arguendo
But his point is good: we need to appeal to younger people or we’re not going anywhere

That is exactly why I am sick and tired of hearing and seeing Newt Gingrich!

I do think Sarah Palin & Bobby Jindal bring a bit of freshness & youth & energy to our lame party.

40 posted on 04/21/2009 2:13:03 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: GoCards

Zakaria’s not really a Democratic ideologue either, so maybe he doesn’t want to see our country dominated by one—increasingly liberal—party.


41 posted on 04/21/2009 2:13:12 PM PDT by Arguendo
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To: Birch T. Barlow
The conservatives need a party. The GOP is not a conservative party.

That's it. The GOP won't grow because it stands for nothing. It has become a pale reflection of the Democrats.
42 posted on 04/21/2009 2:14:37 PM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: americanophile

Reach yes. But reach out to conservative democrats and not RINO republicans. Reagan did it.


43 posted on 04/21/2009 2:16:14 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: americanophile
Who the heck gives a hoot what either of these losers say?


44 posted on 04/21/2009 2:16:39 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: americanophile; All

The GOP has a big problem in that:

1. They strayed from conservative principles.
2. They are clueless in making a case as to why they are a better choice than Democrats, partly as a result of...
3. A media that is very sympathetic to Democrats.
4. Many Americans simply are clueless (ignorant or just plain stupid) when it comes to politics.

It will be interesting to see what happens come 2010.


45 posted on 04/21/2009 2:17:33 PM PDT by eekitsagreek (Give me a Stanley Cup (or Amy Grant or Sarah Palin) under my Christmas tree PLEASE!)
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"I call Zakaria out for making up his own statistics.

I'm not sure about the 67 number, it seems high. But, you just have to listen to the people who advertise on Rush's program to understand that his listener base is definitely an older set - probably somewhere well north of 45 on average - lower in the rural areas and much higher in the urban areas.

I think the threat of becoming a regional party is true and can't be denied. The factual evidence is clear. The GOP is retreating to the traditional south. And, with losses in Virginia and NC, that may not even be true in 15 more years.

The GOP has problems. It's lost, perhaps for ever, in the far Western states, North West and New England areas. To think anything else is foolish.

46 posted on 04/21/2009 2:19:07 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: SandWMan

“That’s the problem with the Republican party. They’ve been listening to internationalist CFR-type goons like Zakaria for decades.”


I second that.


47 posted on 04/21/2009 2:19:11 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Frantzie
"Thank you. The GOP needs to be better but the GOP Congress was a LOT better than we realize."

You're most welcome! And yes, when looking at the raw numbers -- without all the emotional hysteria of politics -- the Republican Congress doesn't do a bad job at all.

Also, when Bush gave the 2003 tax cuts, the federal revenue was only $1.7 trillion/yr. By 2006, after those cuts, federal revenue had jumped to $2.4 trillion, almost $2.5 trillion. We now bring in about $2.6 trillion and it's dropping down to $2.4 trillion.

48 posted on 04/21/2009 2:20:59 PM PDT by avacado
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To: TexasCajun
"I do think Sarah Palin & Bobby Jindal bring a bit of freshness & youth & energy to our lame party.

I'm not sure about Jindal. I haven't seen any polling data on him broken out by demographics. But with Palin, her negatives are highest among the 18-29 voting block. She's not the answer to recapturing the younger vote. Sorry.

49 posted on 04/21/2009 2:22:03 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Big_Monkey
By 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities, as classified by the USG. By 2042 half of the country will be minorities. This is being fueled by our immigration policies that are bringing in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year, 87% of whom are minorities and higher birth rates by minorities.

Demography is destiny. We need to reform our immigration polices as well as stop fighting on the battlefield dictated by the Dems. We are still a center right country. The Reps need to go after the Reagan democrats and embrace policies that recognize we are a post racial society. We should go after discriminatory polices like affirmative action and minority business set asides. The reality is the Dems are the party of bigots and racists who prey on racial, gender, and ethnic differences and encourage people to identify with these various groups rather than as individuals.

50 posted on 04/21/2009 2:23:11 PM PDT by kabar
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