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Mexican standoff: Obama must ban assault weapons to halt violence on both sides of border
NY Daily News ^ | 4/20/09 | editors

Posted on 04/21/2009 5:58:38 PM PDT by pissant

Much of the talk about the U.S.-Mexico relationship these days centers on the flow of illegal guns south over the border. Fair enough, and long overdue.

American weapons, easily bought thanks to woefully lax gun-control laws, are winding up in the arsenal of Mexican drug cartels, who are murdering thousands and destabilizing our southern neighbor.

The havoc is spilling over into our border states.

But let's not neglect an equally dangerous trend in firearm trafficking - namely, the flow of illegal weapons from America's Southern states north, especially to big cities like New York.

As crime has declined in some big cities in recent years, that war has gotten less ink. But blood is still staining the streets, and easy access to guns is a big reason why.

We've said it before and we'll say it again: Most of the guns used in New York City crimes come from out of state - from places like Virginia, where it's criminally easy to get your hands on a firearm.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; assaultweapons; banglist; bho44; bhobanglist; bhomexico; guncontrol; immigration; larrysinclairslover; mythof90percent; narcoterror; obama; secondamendment; semiautomaticfirearm; shallnotbeinfringed
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Sure why not. Just make a law against them, that'll do the trick.

Lord knows the bad guys are just about done for with all the laws we have in place already. Banning scary looking guns oughta be the final nail in their coffin.

Smuggling arms across border - yep, illegal.

Unauthorized entering into the US from Mexico, yep illegal(except to Janet Napolitano and Rudy Giuliani).

Selling and distributing drugs - check, still illegal.

Murder. Check.

Kidnapping. Check.

Bribing officials. yep

We really have them in a box now.

1 posted on 04/21/2009 5:58:38 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

GIVE US A WALL!


2 posted on 04/21/2009 5:59:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: pissant

You can’t trample the Second Amendment just because the Mexicans are a bunch of homicidal idiots. Their violence is not OUR problem.


3 posted on 04/21/2009 6:02:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (So Orwell was off by 25 years! So what!)
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To: pissant

Our zero is ‘gettin’ ‘er done’ isn’t he.....?


4 posted on 04/21/2009 6:02:54 PM PDT by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: pissant
So....4th-graders in New York have their own newspaper?

That's what the logic behind this editorial sounds like.

5 posted on 04/21/2009 6:06:18 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: pissant
A no-brainer place to start:

That line pretty much sums up the gun-grabbers' approach to the subject.

6 posted on 04/21/2009 6:07:05 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Easier to ban our guns and the Second (so they think) then enforce immigration laws and protect the border. What a joke.


7 posted on 04/21/2009 6:07:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (Let seniors, boomers & young people who voted for O that they screwed their financial future)
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To: pissant

There is that term “assault weapons” again. Here it serves to identify an auto loading one-shot-per-trigger-pul AR15 with an M5 submachine gun or an RPG. You call all of those “assault weapons” then say that “assault weapons”(semi-auto rifles) are being sold in American stores therefore the machine guns and RPGS in use in Mexico all came from WalMart.


8 posted on 04/21/2009 6:07:15 PM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: pissant

This issue is the most remarkable study of the manner by which demagogues use “The Big Lie.”


9 posted on 04/21/2009 6:07:47 PM PDT by VR-21 (Think it's time we stop, Hey what's that sound.....)
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To: pissant

Funny how the media wasn’t very interested in the finding of an antiaircraft gun down there last week. Guess they figured even they couldn’t sell that story as one about a gun sold at a gun show.


10 posted on 04/21/2009 6:07:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: pissant

Is the problem Illegal aliens through a porous border? No.

Is the problem rampant corruption in the Mexican Government? No.

It’s guns. And we need to ban them here.

Where’s the “barfer”? I just ate.


11 posted on 04/21/2009 6:08:33 PM PDT by Tzimisce (http://groups.myspace.com/nailthemessiah)
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To: choctaw man

> We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: Most of the guns used in New York City crimes come from out of state - from places like Virginia, where it’s criminally easy to get your hands on a firearm.

How objective. I guess the lib writer has the facts ready and tracked “most” (as he wants us all to know) guns that are coming from Virginia, home of the ‘gun-crazy criminals’.


12 posted on 04/21/2009 6:08:49 PM PDT by max americana
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To: pissant

I think we should just ban Mexico - that will solve everything. It will end the flow of drugs, end the flow of illegals, end the drain that Mexicans are placing on each state’s social services networks and end the flow of guns into Mexico.

Of course, we could also demand that Mexico fix its own d@mn problems and stop treating the US as a dumping ground for its unwanted people and the whipping boy for all of its problems.

Not that I expect the Obamoron to send that message to Calderon, but SOME US president should grow a pair and tell the Mexicans EXACTLY that!!!


13 posted on 04/21/2009 6:11:19 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Tzimisce

Me too, fortunately I don’t throw up unless I’m sick.


14 posted on 04/21/2009 6:11:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pissant

The Mexican cartels appear to have access to full-auto weapons, grenades, and RPGs. How long before Mexican gangsters in the US get the same from Mexico? And how will the gun controllers rationalize things when gang bangers are using full-autos smuggled from Mexico?


15 posted on 04/21/2009 6:11:42 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: pissant

It is already against federal law to buy guns in one state and resell them in another without going thru a licensed dealer. It’s also against the law to smuggle them accross the mexican border.

Regarding a new AWB, we have something new we didn’t have in ‘94 when the 1st AWB was created by the feds......... SCOTUS ruled the 2A RKBA applied to us individuals. A new AWB may not pass heller muster.


16 posted on 04/21/2009 6:14:08 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: max americana
"We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: Most of the guns used in New York City crimes come from out of state - from places like Virginia, where it’s criminally easy to get your hands on a firearm.

Crime is in direct proportion to the amount of human trash allowed to run free in the population.

If the proportion of firearms were doubled and the proportion of human trash remained the same, I don't believe there would be a significant increase in crime.

If the number of firearms were doubled, and the proportion of human trash were reduced by one half, there would surely be a significant decrease in crime.

It is the human trash component which contributes most significantly to the levels of crime, and the only realy way to effectively decrease the levels of crime is to reduce the proportion of human trash running free in society.

This explains to my satisfaction the situation in the "northern cities" the author mentions.

17 posted on 04/21/2009 6:18:50 PM PDT by VR-21 (Think it's time we stop, Hey what's that sound.....)
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To: pissant
Great idea. If you want to instigate CW2.


18 posted on 04/21/2009 6:29:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: VR-21

You have it exactly. It’s not only how much trash there is, but what you do with the trash that makes the difference. For instance, despite all the guns in Virginia, the crime rate there is only a fraction of what it is in D.C. or New York. Why? If guns = crime, and gun control stops crime, then D.C. and New York should be much, much safer places than Virginia, but the opposite is true. It’s all in how you deal with criminals: D.C , for instance, is where you get probation for felonies, and Virginia is where you get jail time for misdemeanors.


19 posted on 04/21/2009 6:30:54 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: pissant

I think my tagline says all I need to say about this idiotic subject.


20 posted on 04/21/2009 6:32:08 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That is a classic tagline. Sums it all up.


21 posted on 04/21/2009 6:33:43 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: pissant
Obama must ban assault weapons to halt violence on both sides of border

So Carlos and Paco will immediately lay down their guns because Obama says so?

Someone wise once said (I paraphrase) "One that is willing to use a gun in the comittance of a crime, would willingly commit a crime to use a gun."

22 posted on 04/21/2009 6:41:30 PM PDT by infidel29 (BARACkarl OBAmarx)
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To: pissant

DHS Janet says illegally crossing the border is not a crime. So carrying EBRs across the border can’t be a crime
Somebody didn’t get the memo !!!


23 posted on 04/21/2009 6:44:24 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee

War is coming. If they want to retain power and expand their control of human beings, they’er going to have to do something fouls and drastic - just as you have written.

I don’t believe that they counted on the opposition that is growing. Makes for a dangerous set of circumstances.

Well, when the time comes, I’ll give them everything I’ve got.


24 posted on 04/21/2009 6:45:04 PM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: pissant

I’m willing to bet this idiot writer has no idea of the hoops a law-abiding US citizen has to jump through to buy a gun.


25 posted on 04/21/2009 6:46:29 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Noumenon

They are going to miss every opportunity to avoid the coming train wreck.


26 posted on 04/21/2009 6:47:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Travis McGee

MAke no mistake about it - they would rather rule in hell than live peacably and in prosperity with the rest of us. They wil lreduce Western Civilization to rubble as long as they believe that they’ll be the one sitting on top of the rubble heap.

They are muderous monsters.


27 posted on 04/21/2009 6:50:28 PM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and to pick up a gun)
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To: Noumenon
That's why peaceful separation may be our only option to resolve this peacefully.


28 posted on 04/21/2009 6:51:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s coming.


29 posted on 04/21/2009 6:53:50 PM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: max americana; choctaw man
I you could buy a gun on the streets of New York within 15 minutes, and chances that gun was obtained via theft no mater what laws are in effect..

The grabbers haven't figured that out. There are laws now on the books that cover illegal weapons and people get caught and charged with possession and sale of illegal weapons, but the revolving doors of the justice allow that trade go on. Why would new laws make any difference?

Anyway, the people that want stronger guns laws are the same people that don't want to build more prisons.

30 posted on 04/21/2009 7:00:36 PM PDT by oyez (To the extent veterans read it as an accusation -- and apology is owed(i.e. not given))
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To: pissant

NOTE: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


31 posted on 04/21/2009 7:20:21 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: pissant

Just more Liberal Democrat blathering.


32 posted on 04/21/2009 7:24:49 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: pissant

Greta’s on right now. They are going to shoot seized full auto’s. (Gee I wonder where those came from? Mexico, not the US, or from any US gun dealer. Same with the .50 cal belts)


33 posted on 04/21/2009 7:29:13 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: oyez

> Anyway, the people that want stronger guns laws are the same people that don’t want to build more prisons.

That is true. The bleeding hearts never think with their brains. Their mentality is “never in my backyard”. As long as it sounds good and noble, let OTHER people do it.


34 posted on 04/21/2009 7:38:09 PM PDT by max americana
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To: max americana

The bleeding hearts live in a free country because they let OTHER people do work of winning it. Now they want punish those OTHER people. They now say these OTHER people are tyrants.


35 posted on 04/21/2009 7:51:44 PM PDT by oyez (To the extent veterans read it as an accusation -- and apology is owed(i.e. not given))
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To: max americana

The bleeding hearts live in a free country because they let OTHER people do work of winning it. Now they want punish those OTHER people. They now say these OTHER people are tyrants.


36 posted on 04/21/2009 7:52:18 PM PDT by oyez (To the extent veterans read it as an accusation -- and apology is owed(i.e. not given))
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To: pissant

“Let me assure you that my administration has no intention of registering legally-owned air rifles when used as appropriate in a backyard setting, on Monday, Wednesday and Friday afternoons, as long as the owner complies with the legal requirements of safe storage and re-registers each of them yearly and pays the tax. I have no intention of infringing on any rights here.”


37 posted on 04/21/2009 7:53:09 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: pissant

It would be most effective then to simply make breaking the law illegal. A simple declarative and bold, unambiguous statement that lawbreaking will henceforth be completely illegal, we could stop all crime - in one fell swoop. Why not give it a go?


38 posted on 04/21/2009 8:01:25 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: pissant

The biggest mistake our founders made was not burning that red coat traitor’s nest city of new york to the ground. We’re still paying for that.


39 posted on 04/21/2009 8:09:34 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: Thunder90
Greta’s on right now. They are going to shoot seized full auto’s. (Gee I wonder where those came from? Mexico, not the US, or from any US gun dealer. Same with the .50 cal belts)

I just caught the tail end of that segment, if you watched can you verify if I understood correctly?

1. Guest ATF guy admitted that the full-auto firearms came from somewhere else, not the USA.

2. Semi-auto varieties are common in the US and could be smuggled into Mexico.

3. After purchasing these semi-autos in the US and smuggling them into Mexico they could be converted into full-auto rifles.

Conclusion: The US is at fault and should ban semi-auto rifles to stop violence carried out by drug gangs with full-auto rifles in Mexico which can do nothing to help themselves, because they are smart and already made guns illegal there.

Did I get it all?

40 posted on 04/21/2009 8:16:33 PM PDT by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: pissant

Except for the part where the Mexicans get their fully-automatic weapons from the American gun stores, it’s a ripping yarn.


41 posted on 04/21/2009 8:32:11 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Give us a new president, a new congress, desolve all federal departments except for FBI, CIA, military, commerce, and treasury.


42 posted on 04/21/2009 8:36:19 PM PDT by Jukeman
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To: pissant
A no-brainer place to start: Renewing the ban on assault weapons. With a Democratic Congress and President, that shouldn't be a heavy lift.

You guys don't get away from Manhattan much, do you?

43 posted on 04/21/2009 9:02:09 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: pissant; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!

A traveling House subcommittee is having hearings in Phoenix - AZ Governor Jan Brewer told ‘em in no uncertain terms that new gun control laws would do nothing to stop the violence - the only solution now is to do what the Constitution has been telling them to do for over 200 years - seal the border and protect our nation.


44 posted on 04/21/2009 10:13:19 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
You can’t trample the Second Amendment just because the Mexicans are a bunch of homicidal idiots. Their violence is not OUR problem.

When it starts coming accross the border, which it has in some places, it is. But the answer is not to disarm the American people, it's to arm them, or at least allow them to arm themselves with effective weapons. Weapons that would be hiding behind every prickly pear along the border, pointing south.

45 posted on 04/21/2009 11:00:05 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: umgud
Regarding a new AWB, we have something new we didn’t have in ‘94 when the 1st AWB was created by the feds......... SCOTUS ruled the 2A RKBA applied to us individuals. A new AWB may not pass heller muster.

Almost all the stuff Obama is doing doesn't pass Constitutional muster, what's one more? Besides, Kennedy would likely switch sides on any Assault Weapon ban case. "Reasonable regulation" don't you know?

46 posted on 04/21/2009 11:15:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: voteNRA
Did I get it all?

Pretty much, but that "could be converted" was more like "are easily converted". But as we know, that would be illegal, and secondly if it were true, the weapons in question would be banned by the 1986 machine gun ban, since any weapon that can be "readily converted" to fire more than one round per trigger pull, is legally a machine gun.

In fact that could be the "hook" that Holder and Obami use to ban assault weapons, just declare the to be readily convertible to full auto, since "readily" isn't defined in the law, and walla, instant ban, without bothering a hair on the heads of any Congress Critters.

Other hairs might be disturbed, however, in the fashion that "The Ghost" disturbed the hair of the Redcoats after his son was taken away and his house and other property burned to the ground, after #2 son was shot by the Green Coated Dragoon officer.

47 posted on 04/21/2009 11:24:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Thunder90
Same with the .50 cal belts

Those were said to have been bought in Arizona, and it's quite possible, being perfectly legal. Even that Big Barret .50 cal sniper rifle is legal to purchase in AZ, or Texas.

Sell a few (hundred) more of those to the citizenry, and we wouldn't need to worry about rogue Mexican army or drug dealers coming across the border in hummers.

48 posted on 04/21/2009 11:27:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Travis McGee; El Gato

In other news the Ninth Circus made the temperature in Hell lower a few degrees by upholding the 2nd Amendment in most of it’s meaning.

This ruling reestablishes Californian’s rights to arm themselves without determinations of mental problems by unqualified bureaucrats or conviction of misdemeanors. They still have to contend with the Catch 22 of accusations of spousal threats/abuse, where a citizen can have their 2nd Amendment Right stripped through hearsay.


49 posted on 04/22/2009 2:20:30 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: pissant

“As crime has declined in some big cities in recent years”

What’s this? Gun sales are up 30% year over year, month after month, and crime is not rising accordingly?

Are you telling me guns really do not cause crime?

{do I need a sarc tag?}


50 posted on 04/22/2009 4:44:17 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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