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Presidential Poison (the signal to support prosecutions will haunt Obama)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 23, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 04/22/2009 8:10:00 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Mark down the date. Tuesday, April 21, 2009, is the moment that any chance of a new era of bipartisan respect in Washington ended. By inviting the prosecution of Bush officials for their antiterror legal advice, President Obama has injected a poison into our politics that he and the country will live to regret.

Policy disputes, often bitter, are the stuff of democratic politics. Elections settle those battles, at least for a time, and Mr. Obama's victory in November has given him the right to change policies on interrogations, Guantanamo, or anything on which he can muster enough support. But at least until now, the U.S. political system has avoided the spectacle of a new Administration prosecuting its predecessor for policy disagreements. This is what happens in Argentina, Malaysia or Peru, countries where the law is treated merely as an extension of political power.

If this analogy seems excessive, consider how Mr. Obama has framed the issue. He has absolved CIA operatives of any legal jeopardy, no doubt because his intelligence advisers told him how damaging that would be to CIA morale when Mr. Obama needs the agency to protect the country. But he has pointedly invited investigations against Republican legal advisers who offered their best advice at the request of CIA officials.

"Your intelligence indicates that there is currently a level of 'chatter' equal to that which preceded the September 11 attacks," wrote Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, in his August 1, 2002 memo. "In light of the information you believe [detainee Abu] Zubaydah has and the high level of threat you believe now exists, you wish to move the interrogations into what you have described as an 'increased pressure phase.'"

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1 posted on 04/22/2009 8:10:00 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Obama will prosecute GWB and Cheney OVER MY DEAD BODY!


2 posted on 04/22/2009 8:13:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Finally some transparency. Pres—ent Ubama considers the Bush administration as threats but not terrorists and Latin American dictators.


3 posted on 04/22/2009 8:13:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
No matter how vile the concept is, I hope his administration goes forward with this. It will repulse the majority of Americans, and seriously damage the traitorous RATS.
4 posted on 04/22/2009 8:16:10 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

DemocRATS fight to WIN.
Republicant’s fight to WIMP out.


5 posted on 04/22/2009 8:16:55 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Paul Revere is riding and sounding the alarm.

April 19, 1775. Lexington and Concord.

April 22, 2009—the skirmish line is forming. This issue is the proverbial line in the sand.


6 posted on 04/22/2009 8:18:29 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He can't prosecute.

Who can he prosecute?

It may be that he is mollifying his base by first supporting the idea of prosecutions and then letting it be known that Condoleeza was in the middle. Now he can let it die.

7 posted on 04/22/2009 8:19:39 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: P-Marlowe

It will never happen, he will posture and act like he will, but prosecution will shed light on what those interrogations yielded, thus making him look more like a creampuff. He will posture and act for the MoveOn crowd, but he isn’t dumb enough to do anything.


8 posted on 04/22/2009 8:20:09 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The prosecution and jailing of political opponents.

Karl Rove said, and I’m paraphrasing: “This is what you see in Third World coutries run by colonels wearing mirrored sunglasses.”


9 posted on 04/22/2009 8:20:11 PM PDT by nhwingut (m)
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To: Lockbar

I’m kinda with you on that. If BHO would follow through on this, the consensus seems to be it would cost him Independent and moderate Democrat support, and effectively end his Presidency. One has to at least give that some consideration...even though the idea is abhorrent.


10 posted on 04/22/2009 8:21:06 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: St. Louis Conservative

All part of the Obowma dictator plan. Haul Pres Bush and VP Cheney up for war crimes. Do not be surprised if he gets the UN to put them on trial.


11 posted on 04/22/2009 8:21:33 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This is more than a policy change, it is a prescription for revolt. A large segment of this country will not allow this to happen.


12 posted on 04/22/2009 8:22:18 PM PDT by Larry381 ("in the final instance civilization is always saved by a platoon of soldiers" Oswald Spengler)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This “threat” will be dropped like a hot potato....unless the dummy Dems in Congress pursue it.
Then, keeping it in the Public eye “Bush was nasty to Terrorists” will remind everyone Congress is Ignoring The Economy and Fiddling with Revenge while America Burns.


13 posted on 04/22/2009 8:22:49 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Yes, this is what third world dictators do. But surely obama knows this. Is he giving in to pressure from the left or is this what he planned all along?


14 posted on 04/22/2009 8:22:55 PM PDT by ElayneJ (q1`dsz)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Juan McCain and other like minded Republican leaders should reach out across the aisle once again to their fellow socialists in the Democrat party in the spirit of bipartisanship.


15 posted on 04/22/2009 8:23:12 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: When do we get liberated?
Waxman, Conyers, and Leahy are so far left of Karl Marx, they will now go full bore into the prosecutions, and it will be interesting to see how O bow ma resists releasing the subpoenaed documents.
16 posted on 04/22/2009 8:23:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I hope this is one big deflection, because if its not, this country will fracture.

Which is what obama wants in the end, but before it splits he wants to shred the constitution.

17 posted on 04/22/2009 8:24:08 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: exit82
April 22, 2009—the skirmish line is forming. This issue is the proverbial line in the sand.

I had my issues with Bush, but when it came to protecting us from terrorists, Bush is a hero in my book. If Obama tries to prosecute Bush for saving America while at the same time Obama is trying to buddy up to tyrants and murderers like Chavez and Castro, then this is WAR.

This is 1812 and the Enemy is occupying the White House.

18 posted on 04/22/2009 8:24:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: When do we get liberated?
It will never happen, he will posture and act like he will, but prosecution will shed light on what those interrogations yielded, thus making him look more like a creampuff.

The threat alone is a shot across our Constitutional bow. It should be enough for any Constitution loving American to heed this warning of events to come.
19 posted on 04/22/2009 8:25:27 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: P-Marlowe

I stand with you!


20 posted on 04/22/2009 8:25:39 PM PDT by Himyar
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To: When do we get liberated?
he isn’t dumb enough to do anything.

He is not merely dumber than a box of rocks, he is Evil. He is determined to destroy America. Common sense will not stand in his way.

21 posted on 04/22/2009 8:27:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Somebody stole my tagline)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
This is what happens in Argentina, Malaysia or Peru...

Barak Obama -- our first 3rd World President?

I doubt Obama is this stupid move for MoveOn, Zaza Huffington, or any of his Nutroots worshipers. I'd bet he has had his butt reamed by his megalomaniac boss, George Sorus.

22 posted on 04/22/2009 8:28:40 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: DannyTN
The chief target right now may be Cheney, since he has had the temerity to speak out (interviewed on Hannity). Maybe the Obama crowd thinks he will be easily intimidated, but I don't think so.

Maybe Obama thinks he can just throw some red meat to his base, that they'll be satisfied, and then he can divert their attention with another issue before it gets serious, but he may have unleased something he can't stop, since Congressional Democrats aren't under his control.

I hope that the majority of the American public would be appalled at the idea of prosecuting a previous administration over policy differences, and that the Obama gang will refrain from following through (or extraditing anyone to the Hague) for that reason, but I've guessed wrong before.

23 posted on 04/22/2009 8:29:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The more I think about this...the more I think it’s RAZZLE DAZZLE.....better watch out what’s going on elsewhere that they don’t want us to look at....


24 posted on 04/22/2009 8:30:19 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Free Speech for THEE, but NOT for ME????)
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To: goodnesswins
The more I think about this...the more I think it’s RAZZLE DAZZLE.....better watch out what’s going on elsewhere that they don’t want us to look at....

Yes. When I lived abroad, I was amazed at our navel gazing while things went on all about us. Dangerous things.

25 posted on 04/22/2009 8:33:50 PM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Man50D

The threat alone is a shot across our Constitutional bow.


I agree. And the fact that so many dems are in favor of it is disturbing.


26 posted on 04/22/2009 8:34:37 PM PDT by ElayneJ (q1`dsz)
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To: When do we get liberated?

I wondered what message Obama is trying to send with this nonsense, and to whom. The terrorists or whatever politically correct term now describes them, cut off people’s heads. Bin Laden and his boys are not impressed by Obama saying America is living up to our highest ideals and banning torture and all that.

So I figure the Move on.org crowd and various liberals will get a tingle somewhere on their bodies by this. But this sends no discouraging message to the real evil in the world.


27 posted on 04/22/2009 8:34:40 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: St. Louis Conservative
To the left all disagreement is criminal because the Left is Correct and no one can be correct who does not support the Party line. There is no room for disagreement even when the Party Line changes a little or totally. That is because politics is not about what works or what is better for the country or even what lines one's pockets the most efficiently. It is about Us and Them. Policy and ideology is not important except as it supports Us against Them. It is wholly logical that We would prosecute and punish Them whom we replaced. They did not accept the Party Line and therefore are criminals, even where the Party Line was formed ex post facto.

The Left in power does not worry that the other side will pay back in the same coin because the left cannot ever envision being out of power once they have taken power. Clinton talked about repealing the 2 term amendment. I believe Hussein will seriously try it and/or some other method to eliminate term limits for the Left. Amnesty and ACORN should handily accomplish that for the left but Hussein will want it for himself, too. Chavez is the model.

28 posted on 04/22/2009 8:37:52 PM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every electioTo a lefty lmn is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

we need to run a highly charismatic ulta conservative Republican in 2012, somebody who understands the meaning of payback.


29 posted on 04/22/2009 8:38:05 PM PDT by RC one
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To: DannyTN

“That leaves only Bush.”

Hello? Cheney! That’s what it’s about, in my opinion. Bush was never the target.

I don’t think Cheney will be prosecuted. But they’ll try. They’ll have hearings. They’ll haul lawyers, especially Gonzales, in to testify. They’ll refuse to listen to any operatives that tell them enhanced techniques worked. They’ll take every opportunity to smear Cheney. Maybe they’ll even manage to convict one or two nobodies chasing their white whale.

That’s what the whole Valery Plame/Scooter Libby was about.


30 posted on 04/22/2009 8:40:19 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The “mesage” is to domestic dissidents- i.e. Christians, Conservatives, gun fanciers, etc. Disagreement is criminal.


31 posted on 04/22/2009 8:40:35 PM PDT by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every electioTo a lefty lmn is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: Verginius Rufus

The chief target right now may be Cheney

One would not rationally think Dick Cheney would be someone easily intimidated. I will stand up for and with this fine American no matter what!

Watched the man on Hannity and sure wish he was in better health, we need a “FU Leahey” sort of guy right now. BUT you never know from the road what lies in the bushes. He sure looked like a very confident patriotic statesman, the sort they had back in 1776. Was nice to see him speaking his mind on Hannity, about the only Republican that will.

CHENEY-PALIN 2012!


32 posted on 04/22/2009 8:42:10 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Republic of Texas is rising again!)
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To: Ditto

Bingo!

This is Soros’ dream come true.

I say bring it. Once a case is filed, the door to discovery is open. Let’s drain this swamp. Depose Pelosi & the rest of the maggots.

Levin has offered the services of his law firm, others will follow. We can raise defense funds.

Bring it, b***h.

Once discovery starts, a lot of dhims will wish they’d never heard of BO.

Anyone else recall when the mentally retarded Speaker was asking if waterboarding was harsh enough?

Let’s go. Get all the memos, we know the good guys have documented everything. Then hit the jackals with subpeonas from here to Kowloom & post every frickin response to every single form interogatory online for all of us to see.

And we can talk about Holder’s conflict of interest since his former law firm defends terrorists.

BO doesn’t have the cajones to do this. Soros just wants to demoralize & thereby disrupt our intel agencies.


33 posted on 04/22/2009 8:44:16 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: Verginius Rufus
I hope that the majority of the American public would be appalled at the idea of prosecuting a previous administration over policy differences..

Sadly, I think the majority of the American public is busy watching American Idol, and really does not give a damn what game politicians play. (I say that hoping we do not get hit again. If the Democrats push that and we have another 3000 dead in some spectacular attack, that party is out of business.)

If this thing goes forward, it's the political class on all sides that will start peeing their pants. Good policy or bad policy, setting a precedent that something done in good faith could lead you into prison or financial ruin is not why any of them went into the political industry. Deciding that the next set of climbers and clowns in government are somehow entitled to revenge over the previous set over policy differences will end the tradition of of a peaceful transition of power.

It is Third World BS.

34 posted on 04/22/2009 8:44:54 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Most divisive president since they started measuring.
35 posted on 04/22/2009 8:46:19 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Man50D

Is this a Constitutional issue? If this is, I would like to know. Where in the Constitution is this prohibited?


36 posted on 04/22/2009 8:48:53 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: P-Marlowe

agreed.


37 posted on 04/22/2009 8:49:42 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: jazminerose
Soros just wants to demoralize & thereby disrupt our intel agencies.

I'm convinced that George Sorus is nuts. He has no real strategy or goal in mind. He is simply obsessed, but he has all the money in the world, and none of the people around him, including servants like Obama, have the courage or integrity to tell him to go get some treatment.

38 posted on 04/22/2009 8:51:14 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Ah, but you are wrong. Apparently the real evil in this world, and the greatest threat to this country are conservatives like us. We are the new terrorists. Nothing to fear from Al Quida he is doing everything to be their buddy.


39 posted on 04/22/2009 8:52:40 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Am I the only one that hopes they'll actually have the show trials, witch hunts and grand spectacle?

This is clearly the STUPIDEST political move of the last 100 years.

The split will be as violently disastrous as the Civil War...metaphorically speaking, of course.

In a mere 100 days the dims will have completely blown their chance to remake the nation. The "moderate" dims will begin to desert in droves on nearly every controversial issue before the congress and they'll get a fairly severe trouncing at the polls in 2010.

If this moves forward, no matter what else happens Obama is out in 2012, if not sooner.

40 posted on 04/22/2009 8:54:22 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: P-Marlowe

that would be 1814


41 posted on 04/22/2009 8:56:26 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: nhwingut
Karl Rove said, and I’m paraphrasing: “This is what you see in Third World coutries run by colonels wearing mirrored sunglasses.”

Yep. That's pretty much dead on. How embarrassing. Truly, what does anyone expect with Rahm in charge?
42 posted on 04/22/2009 8:57:14 PM PDT by khnyny ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Ditto

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8574

The term “euphemism” refers to the substitution of a vague or milder term for one that may be considered harsh, offensive or blunt.
Example:

George Soros is a “philanthropist”.

If by “philanthropist” we mean one who creates chaos, destruction and financial ruin for his own personal gain, it’s a perfect fit. Calling Soros a philanthropist is rather like referring to the Nazi block wardens as Neighborhood Watch


43 posted on 04/22/2009 8:58:24 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The Kenyan Marxist Commie manchild is insane and controlled by Soros. He’s so pathetic half the time I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


44 posted on 04/22/2009 8:59:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: RC one
2012 Will make no difference. The left will still have their power team(acorn) in affect. Also the media will back them up 100% as they are doing now. And then there will be the great divide. The left have divided the population by race and culture. Even today you can see the average citizen kowtow in fear of the angry black man and the gay mafia. By 2012 most of the Constitution will be shredded. So I believe our votes will not matter, our voices will be silenced. Congress is not and will not listen to the majority of the people. Revolution is the only way to win back our country....or I could be wrong.
45 posted on 04/22/2009 9:01:11 PM PDT by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: P-Marlowe
"Somebody stole my tagline"

It was Obama.

Remember how, from the day he took office, the Libtards blamed everything that went wrong on Bush? Well I'm doing that with Obortion. We all should.

Mail's late?

Obama.

Can't find a cab?

Obama.

I blame him for every single thing that doesn't go right. And let me tell you; I know it sounds foolish... but it feels GREAT!

Try it... you might just like it. Not to mention, he and the Dems really have it coming.

;-/

46 posted on 04/22/2009 9:01:35 PM PDT by Gargantua ("In the land of the midnight sun, where the ice-blue roses grow...")
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To: jazminerose
Calling Soros a philanthropist is rather like referring to the Nazi block wardens as Neighborhood Watch

Quote of the Day! And true.

47 posted on 04/22/2009 9:02:04 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Cold Heart

Wrong! Bush got 51% of the vote, he was divisive Obama got 52% of the vote so he is well loved by a vast majority of the population...


48 posted on 04/22/2009 9:03:46 PM PDT by When do we get liberated?
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To: nhwingut

““This is what you see in Third World coutries run by colonels wearing mirrored sunglasses.””

Could someone please do a photoshop of Obama looking like a 3rd world colonel in sunglasses?


49 posted on 04/22/2009 9:04:24 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Seems to be a VERY bright line the Dimbulbocrats are about to arrogantly and stupidly step over.


50 posted on 04/22/2009 9:06:16 PM PDT by behzinlea
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