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Birth of Cloned Human Just Days Away? (U.S.-Based Fertility Doctor)
The Times of India ^ | 4/23/09

Posted on 04/22/2009 10:25:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A United States-based fertility doctor claimed to have cloned 14 human embryos and transferred 11 of them into the wombs of four women.

In an interview published on Wednesday, Panayiotis Zavos told Britain’s Independent newspaper that although none of the women had had a viable pregnancy as a result, the first cloned baby could now be born within a couple of years. “There is absolutely no doubt about it... the cloned child is coming. There is absolutely no way that it will not happen,” he said, quoted by the paper. “If we intensify our efforts, we can have a cloned baby within a year or two, but I don’t know whether we can intensify our efforts to that extent.”

Zavos’s work is widely condemned by mainstream fertility experts, who question whether the technique, which also raises complex ethical questions, is safe. Although other scientists have created human cloned embryos in test tubes to extract stem cells for research, Zavos has broken a taboo by actually putting them inside women’s wombs.

He said he has also produced cloned embryos of three dead people, including a 10-year-old girl called Cady who died in a car crash in the US. The child's blood cells were frozen and sent to Zavos.

The doctor, a naturalised US citizen born in Cyprus, is thought to have carried out the procedures in a secret laboratory somewhere in the Middle East to escape the US ban on cloning.

The procedures were recorded by a documentary maker and will be shown on the Discovery Channel in UK later on Wednesday.

Zavos said that his goal is to help infertile couples who can't have babies naturally, so that at least one of the parents can be reproduced as a twin of themselves through cloning. “I get enquiries every day. To date, we have had over 100 enquiries and every enquiry is serious”, he told the Independent. In 2004, Zavos claimed that he had implanted the first human cloned embryo into a woman’s uterus although the scientific community expressed scepticism over a lack of proof about his findings.

Last month, we had the spectacle of Italian fertility expert Severino Antinori’s assertion that three clones already exist: two boys and a girl. He told Italy’s Oggi magazine that the children are now nine years old and living in eastern Europe. However, he failed to back his assertions with proof.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; clonebirth; cloning; culturwar; geneticcannibalism; sendintheclones; zavos

1 posted on 04/22/2009 10:25:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Didn't you hear? The Raelians have already been there and done that.


2 posted on 04/22/2009 10:31:16 PM PDT by fso301
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To: nickcarraway

Of course it’s going to happen. We’ve been on our way to that since Dolly. I always laughed when I heard legislation would be introduced to stop it from happening.


3 posted on 04/22/2009 10:33:16 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: nickcarraway

I think some things should not be tampered with, even if theoretically possible.

The methods employed, while on a micro-cellular level, are very crude, not to far removed from Mengele’s methods.


4 posted on 04/22/2009 10:37:03 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: nickcarraway
"“I get enquiries every day. To date, we have had over 100 enquiries and every enquiry is serious”, he told the Independent. "

So, he's only been around for 100 days?

5 posted on 04/22/2009 10:40:26 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: nickcarraway

cool, as long as we can build an army to kill enemies like a mix of Star Wars and Universal Soldier


6 posted on 04/22/2009 10:41:43 PM PDT by Porterville ( I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh, gee. Another Doctor who thinks he is God. Why am I not surprised.


7 posted on 04/22/2009 10:58:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God; We will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
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To: nickcarraway
"He said he has also produced cloned embryos of three dead people, including a 10-year-old girl called Cady who died in a car crash in the US. The child's blood cells were frozen and sent to Zavos." Reminds me of H.P Lovecraft's Reanimator. Aside from that, I'm simply at a loss for words.....
8 posted on 04/22/2009 11:12:59 PM PDT by csense
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To: fso301
Gawd, ain't she perty!

 

9 posted on 04/22/2009 11:17:11 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Stop the pirates in Washington D.C.)
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To: valkyry1

I agree.


10 posted on 04/22/2009 11:29:56 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: nickcarraway

Wonder what the church folks think about the dude’s soul?

Does he/she have one?

If life begins at conception, between a sperm and egg, and this did not happen, is it life?


11 posted on 04/23/2009 1:25:31 AM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: JoJo Gunn
This is her boy-toy:


The Bee Gee's called and they want their wardrobe back!
12 posted on 04/23/2009 4:12:24 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: nickcarraway

50,000 cloned Obamas on the way?


13 posted on 04/23/2009 4:14:53 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I agree with Rick..)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
genetically engineered superman

Kahnnnnnnnnnnn


14 posted on 04/23/2009 4:33:59 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
First Obammma says it's ok to kill newly born babies and now it will be ok to clone people like Garafola
15 posted on 04/23/2009 5:13:06 AM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin st)
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To: nickcarraway
What people fail to realize is that this leads the way to designer humans cloned for spare parts.

(And why bother protesting abortion when designer children are so much...better...than natural ones anyway?)

I feel a vanity coming on about this...

NO cheers, unfortunately.

16 posted on 04/23/2009 5:14:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: nickcarraway; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
A United States-based fertility doctor claimed to have cloned 14 human embryos and transferred 11 of them into the wombs of four women.

Why not put 9 of them into the womb of one woman? Then Octomom would be put to shame, someone would outdo her, 9 babies, and they are clones!

17 posted on 04/23/2009 6:33:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: grey_whiskers

“What people fail to realize is that this leads the way to designer humans cloned for spare parts.”

Of course you will clone the parts you need, less chance on biological rejection.


18 posted on 04/23/2009 6:33:45 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: Darwin Fish

Are you arguing that not all twins have a soul? Or are you just making an atheist argument against souls altogether?

Monozygotic twins, frequently referred to as identical twins, occur when a single egg is fertilized to form one zygote (monozygotic) which then divides into two separate embryos. The division of the developing zygote into 2 embryos occurs within 8 days of fertilization 99% of the time.


19 posted on 04/23/2009 6:36:55 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: valkyry1

How about the things they are doing in Europe, like working with human-animal hybrids so they can claim that their scientific experiments are “ethical” (non-human subjects).
Create deliberate SUB-humans (part human but not deserving of rights).

Sick culture.


20 posted on 04/23/2009 6:38:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: nickcarraway

MST3K did a documentary about this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0655438/


21 posted on 04/23/2009 6:55:46 AM PDT by isom35
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To: valkyry1
Zavos said that his goal is to help infertile couples who can't have babies naturally, so that at least one of the parents can be reproduced as a twin of themselves through cloning.

Hard to believe that some people are so narcissistic that they would go to these lengths to have a child instead of just adopting one of the hundreds of thousands of children already born and waiting for families.

22 posted on 04/23/2009 8:13:42 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: a fool in paradise
"Are you arguing that not all twins have a soul? Or are you just making an atheist argument against souls altogether?"

Not arguing anything, just seeking opinion. It is a simple question, actually. If life begins at conception, and there is no conception, is it life? If this irritates you, I am sorry. But perhaps I am the canary in the coal mine. The question is not going to go away. There have to be many, many folks asking the same question, and the church is going to have to answer, eventually. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but it is not going away.

I believe in God with all my heart. Peace.

23 posted on 04/23/2009 11:02:11 AM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: Darwin Fish

I pointed out how 2 fetus can grow from 1 “conception”. You skated around my evidence and the original question about twins.


24 posted on 04/23/2009 11:11:40 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: a fool in paradise; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
Take it, Weird Al!


25 posted on 04/23/2009 12:03:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: a fool in paradise

I concede that twins are human, and two different and sacred souls. No problem there. God bless them.

But what about cloned people? No conception at all. What is your opinion as to their souls and is it possible to have a soul without conception? Not being a contrarian, just wondering, and don’t know what to think.

So I am just asking you and everyone, if there is no conception, is the person, well, human? Is there a soul? Yes or no?


26 posted on 04/23/2009 12:28:34 PM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: Darwin Fish

From where comes the soul of the twin who splits off the child conceived through “conception”? You are hung up on a word. Does the soul also divide when the second embryo splits off?


27 posted on 04/23/2009 12:29:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: valkyry1
I think some things should not be tampered with, even if theoretically possible.

Nailed it. It's not "what can I do," but "what should I do."

28 posted on 04/23/2009 5:25:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: a fool in paradise

Is that a yes or no?


29 posted on 04/23/2009 11:51:36 PM PDT by Darwin Fish
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To: Darwin Fish
You are hung up on a word "conception" of a sperm connecting with an egg. There are other means of creation. Such cell division occurs naturally as well as these scientists unnatural inducement.

At the moment of creation, it becomes a unique being. That being can be subdivided but that becomes the creation of something new. The old still remains.

30 posted on 04/24/2009 7:11:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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