Posted on 04/23/2009 11:10:59 AM PDT by kellynla
JERUSALEM – Jews who arrived last night to pray at Joseph's Tomb – Judaism's third holiest site – were stunned to learn the structure had been vandalized, with the headstone smashed in and swastikas painted on the walls.
"Only barbarians could do such things. People who pathologically disgrace such a holy place don't deserve to be called human beings," said Gershon Mesika, head of the Jewish regional council in the West Bank.
Joseph's Tomb is the believed burial place of the biblical patriarch Joseph, the son of Jacob who was sold by his brothers into slavery and later became viceroy of Egypt. Following repeated Palestinian attacks, Israel in October 2000 unilaterally retreated from Joseph's Tomb and, with very few exceptions, banned Jews from returning to the site purportedly for security reasons. The tomb area is now controlled entirely by the Palestinians.
Mesika has been working with the Israel Defense Forces to lead monthly midnight excursions to the tomb in hope of restoring a Jewish presence to the area.
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I can’t believe sites like that aren’t under a 24 hour guard.
I can’t say I’m surprised. I knew muzzies had a lot of control of that area. Of coure the little hate-filled thugs would do that.
The should have taken the Temple Mount in ‘67. No one would have cared much then. That would have stopped a lot of the rubbish we see.
May all such evil doers fall in the pit of their own doing of the biggest stench available.
Let’s see:
First would be the Jerusalem Temple site.
and Second would be.. Mt. Sinai?
They should have taken it, and the Christians should have retaken Constantinople in 1918. Reticence is an ongoing problem in the West.
The only difference between them was a filthy nightshirt and a weird hat..
“The tomb area is now controlled entirely by the Palestinians”
It is - by the Phillistinians.
Can’t believe Israels founding fathers would have allowed this to happen
Rothman I find very problematical.
He has a radio show on KGO San Francisco, on late at night, on Friday and Saturday nights. I believe he is a history teacher at one of the schools in San Fran (UCSF or USF)
He is phenomenally intelligent and has an astounding memory for historical facts. He can tell you who James Buchanan’s agriculture sec’y was.
He co-authors the book you cite which, from everything I hear, is meticulously researched and footnoted and very well written.
Yet he is an absolute flaming liberal, thinks GWB was the single worst president in US history, thinks 0bama is probably the greatest, and provided he just keeps doing what he is doing (despite an obvious familiarity with Madison, Adams, Lincoln et al) will in likely dethrone FDR. He wants the Gitmo crew freed, if not granted scholarships to study humanistic sociology, is completely in favor of gay marriage, and any number of other issues that few here would agree with. But he supports Israel vs (for example) the rain of rockets from Gaza.
He’s probably the smartest liberal on the planet. I just find it odd how strangely distorted his obvious intelligence is from living in San Francisco.
This is incredible for more than one reason. Yusuf is a respected elder in the panoply of Islam.
You’re right, though frankly I find his indictment of the Arab-NAZI connection in spite of his lefty koom-by-ya background even more powerful. The book is well researched and very interesting, and if there are a few leaps of faith toward the end, they are fairly logical extensions given the history that is so well laid out in previous chapters. I think it’s definately worth the read, and it’s a very quick read. We may not like Rothmann, but he doesn’t like the NAZI, and he doesn’t like the Islamists. At the end of the day, the enemy of your enemy is your friend, no?
yeah, they plagiarized the Bible extensively.
But these scum are just thugs. The religion is merely a control method. It’s about race to them. They made some non-arabs convert by the sword, but only so they could be slaves. Islam is merely a representation of the culture itself.
“he supports Israel vs (for example) the rain of rockets from Gaza”
Big whoop. While the “jew-hating liberal jew” has become a stereotype, it’s still not quite so common that it’s surprising when you find a counter-example.
I’m not sure if muawiyah was the one, but someone once posted something about Muhammad having plagiarized the texts of Christian missionaries in Arabia, to invent Islam.
I am still waiting to see a story anywhere about a tolerant Muslim who acts in a way that helps someone of another religion. You read about Christians protecting Jews and vice versa, sometimes risking their own lives. Has there ever been a recorded instance of a Muslim giving up his life or giving up anything for that matter to protect a Jew or a Christian? Just curious.
Funny, I kind of think his expose of the Arab-Nazi connection against the background of all his other lib views works exactly the opposite as you do. I appreciate your view, though, I’m not claiming I’m right & you’re wrong.
To me...if I just take the book as it is, on a stand alone basis, then I guess it’s just a book. Meticulously researched, footnoted, etc; On that, there’s likely no possible disagreement.
But if I contexturalize (is that a word?) the book against all his other kooky views....then it’s just another kooky view.
In other words, I am thinking about either the “mind-changing power” or the “provide concrete evidence power” of the book. If the reader is conservative, said conservative is probably already inclined in a pro-Israel direction; which is not that easy to do if you consider yourself open-minded, because the volume of propaganada on the Arab/Pali side is simply overwhelming. OTOH, if you’re a lib, you don’t read books with footnotes, you slough over historical reference, that was then and this is now, and you’re so used to comparing “the other side” with Nazis that it doesn’t even register any more!
Can you see it both ways?
Some of the stuff in there comes from older pagan documents, even Gnostic materials, and parts appear to have the Torah as their source, albeit a Torah or two not exactly consistent with the standard version. (There were Jewish tribes in the Arabian desert in those days. They all had a Torah or two. They buried old worn out Torah's in the dry desert soil where they'd last centuries.
You must also remember the purpose of the Kaabah in Mecca. People throughout the region brought copies of their "gods" to the Kaabah and placed them in a circle around a moderate sized meteorite (Arabia has lots of meteorites on the surface in the Rub al Khalid, the great desert to the East.) They also brought copies of their sacred texts and buried them in and around the area now occupied by Mecca.
It is, in fact, the Arabian tradition that Hagar was sent to the Wilderness at the spring of Zim Zim which is, in fact, the source of water for the oasis at Mecca.
There are caves in the hills where texts could be buried and kept intact for thousands of years.
A couple of Turkish Caliphs had an interest in archaeology and pretty much dug up everything of interest in and around Mecca and Medina so it's unlikely such things still remain. The early Moslems also burned the wooden idols at the Kaabah.
That there was a religious reformer in the time of Mohammad is beyond doubt. That his name was actually Mohammad is questionable since that name doesn't pop up until the Moslems had conquered Damascus (where that missionary's manual came from) many years after Mohammad's death.
The best opinion in the West is that there was a religious reformer, that ancient texts played a part in what he was doing, and there was Damascene Christian influence in the early days of the Moslem movement.
For the first 300 years after Mohammad fled to Medina Moslems appear to have attended Christian churches.
There is much less known about the founding of this religion than is popularly believed. Questioning the official story is considered heresy and worthy of death.
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It's under palestinian control, they control the security, not Israel
The phillistines were proto-Greek, not arab.
Regular vikings of the mediterrian. Early mastery of iron smelting, which was one of their great military secrets.
Contemporary accounts from Eqypt of the “sea people” (as they called them) were not particularly flattering, either.
The “palestinians” are just arabs who occupy Judea.
NOT “Phillistines”, Phillistinians.
I call the Jordanian arabs “Phillistinians”
Sure, and you’re right to contextualize. I haven’t read Rothmann’s other works, but he has a co-author on this, and I didn’t find too much to quibble with in this book, in terms of sloppy history or unfair inferences. In some ways, I look at it the way I look at works by Christopher Hitchens. I often disagree with him, but there’s no doubting that he’s an intelligent and provocative commentator. I was thinking about picking up his book on athesim. Anyway, I think this book can be judged on its own merits, and I did find it to be very interesting and illuminating with regard to the Arab-NAZI connection. For instance, I did not know that there were entire Muslim SS units! Worth the read if you ask me.
schmuckistinians...
Thanks for the info! As always, your posts are very interesting!
The difference between the modern Palestinians, Israelis and Lebanese is not particularly striking ~ and actually, there are millions of Italians, Greeks, Turks, Egyptians and Syrians who could easily "pass", if need be, for any of them.
The divisions are cultural, linguistic, religious, and historic.
The Druze are the only group that appears to have substantial exogenous elements.
For most purposes the Arabic speaking populations in the region continue to have several generations to go to overcome the health and other disabilities the 1000 year occupation by the Turks created.
You can look up "mammalian patterning" and "human patterning". If your grandmother was small and half starved, you may also be small and weak. It's a phenomenon under intense study. Arabs definitely show the symptoms. As much as the Arabs might have wished to join the SS, they simply weren't fit for use in a modern military force ~ maybe for guard duty ~ hence the pictures of the fellows lined up marching around.
After this sickening display there should be security around the clock and cameras as well, ones that actually function at night, not just for looks.
They may not have been good soldiers, particulary as compared to the Germans, but they were killers nontheless. Don’t like being allies with Bosnia? Don’t worry, you’re about to be a NATO partner with Albania...
Except for some folks in their 80s we're just about out of WWII SS killers ~
But Arabs as real soldiers? You gotta' be kidding. There are some major health problems throughout the Arabic speaking world.
The disgrace is on us, who allow Palestinians to control Jewish holy sites. What did you expect?
You know, in Lebanon we called the Druze Philistines. Not as an insult or anything, it was just truly thought that they were Philistines or closely related.
Palanimals....do what Palanimals do. They are paleolithic uncivilized primates. Boot them out to Eastern Palestine...Jordan.
...I was in Albania in 2007, trust me, nothing good for the U.S. can come from an alliance there.
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“There are some major health problems throughout the Arabic speaking world.”
Yes, primarily mental ones. Too much inbreeding amongst those tribes.
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