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Posted on 04/23/2009 1:58:29 PM PDT by Lucky9teen
Here is the petition to the USSC. Read it and you will get a taste of just how corrupt cops, prosecutors and judges can be. Outside of a coerced “letter” there was no evidence he committed a murder.
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/pdfs/07-08/07-1529_Petitioner.pdf
I will bet the libtards don’t even know nor have they bothered to look or understand what Obama is doing.
This one I agree with. Miranda is a farce. They should be able to ask. But you should also be able to refuse to answer, with or without an attorney.
I think Miranda did more harm than good.
paving the way for the Civilian Security Force to stop you on the street and ask who you voted for....
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This is very bad news for civil rights, if Obama gets his way. People have to have some legal “shell” they can crawl into where the police cannot intimidate them, and use a vast array of coercive means to obtain incriminating statements. Note, I did not say “evidence”.
Believe me, even the strongest of individuals can be confused and ramrodded into saying something that can incriminate them, given enough time.
“Were you there last night?”
“Weren’t you there last night?”
“Are you admitting to being there last night?”
“So you are admitting that you said you were there?”
“You admit confirming that you are not denying you were there?”
“Look, if you cooperate, we might be let you go back to your family tonight, but if you keep giving us a hard time, you could be looking at years behind bars. Someone like you wouldn’t do good in prison. All you have to do is admit you were there, and you sign a few forms, and we can probably get you back to your parents tonight.”
“We already have everything we need to put you in prison for years, but if you help us, we can talk to the D.A. about going easy on you. But we can only help you if you let us. We aren’t really interested in you anyway, but we know that you were there last night, and if you just admit it, then we can move on to other things.”
“There is nothing an attorney can do for you that we can’t.”
LBJ was a better president then the Kenyan.
No, no, that's just for foreign, uh....freedom fighters, yeah that's it. If you're an American born conservative, pulling out your fingernails and drilling holes through your joints is a "prudent medical examination".
I wonder when people are going to start realizing that both the democrats and republicans are playing us for fools.
“The administration’s action — and several others — have disappointed civil rights and civil liberties groups that expected President Barack Obama to reverse the policies of his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, after the Democrat’s call for change during the 2008 campaign.”
Well, that just makes them dumb. When has a Republicrat ever done anything besides egg on the SCOTUS to increase federal power and decrease their already narrow interpretation of Americans’ rights as citizens?
But hey, in our one-party system, you vote for change, you get it! See, now it’s a black man asking for the po-po to be able to jerk everyone around.
Doesn’t this undermine Miranda?
I see both sides of this issue. - you can always waive your right to remain silent, however once you are arrested and are represented your attorney is going to tell you to STFU - and if you want to talk, your attorney is going to want to negotiate for some sort of quid pro quo for your waiver.
the issue here is whether, once you have counsel, should law enforcement talk to you without your counsel present - an altogether different analysis and different right
most state's ethical laws prevent attorneys (includes prosecutors) from speaking with a represented person without their counsel's presence - which prevents federal prosecutors from talking to these defendants
yes, you can waive your right to remain silent, but if you are represented, you've invoked another right - the right to counsel and that's where the rub is, for any waiver to be valid it must be knowingly invoked, and the analysis of whether one truly understands what they are waiving wrt right to counsel is normally undertaken by a judge
Then what’s the problem with “I have nothing to say until my lawyer is present.” Or “Talk to the mouthpiece, flatfoot.” Or words to that effect?
As long as you’re not being tortured for info, the cop should be able to talk until he’s blue in the face. Its up to the suspect, witness, etc., to maintain his silence. Even if your “right to remain silent” is waived you don’t HAVE to say anything.
Of course he does. That way, he can have his cronies more easily prosecute scapegoats from the Bush administration. The Soviets and Cuba had show trials, too. Here it comes, America. Are you going to just take it?
You'll have the right to remain silent for as long as you can. They will quit beating you when they grow tired of the noises you make.
Exactly! Someone who gets it!
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