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Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
McVeigh reference prompts response David Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic, not 'right-wing,' plot
Posted: April 23, 2009 2:37 pm Eastern
Responding to the Obama administration's attempt to justify a controversial "right-wing extremism" report by citing Timothy McVeigh, a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists.
David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books. Davis asserts McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators but part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq . The explosion April 19, 1995, at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured another 684.
In the video, released by America's Truth Forum, Schippers says there's "no question the Oklahoma City bombing was a part of a state-sponsored attack on the heartland of the United States ."
"I have been asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether there was any kind of federal cover-up. The simple and direct answer is yes," he said. "Unquestionably, a federal cover-up beginning in 1995 and continuing to today."
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
VIDEO OF SHIPPERS INTERVIEW here
Schippers id 100% correct.
General Partin’s detailed analysis of the damage to the building proved that McVey’s truck had no effect on the building. Tim McVey has become the ‘Oswald’ of the building bombers.
Schippers busted his butt back then, making this case openly and repeatedly, but he lacked the necessary support from the Republicans to push it to the forefront. Sound familiar? Even then, they were selling us out with their gutlessness.
At the bottom of the posted article!
Obviously it did nothing to the Murrah building but blow out one whole side and the top!
McVeigh and Nichols were definitely involved.
The rented truck full of fertilizer and diesel fuel DID do the damage.
The truck was driven down I35, just 5 minutes from my house at the time.
I knew lots of people in OKC, at the time.
I absolutely think that others were involved, but to what degree I can not be sure.
However, McVeigh and Nichols were guilty. It is a shame that we did not learn more about their connections with other terrorist groups.
Just what we were saying here. What’s more, some of the Muslim terrorists were double agents working for the FBI and the ATF.
Kind of like that Muslim CIA agent who did the OpEd piece in the New York Times this morning, saying that all that horrible CIA “torture” of Muslim prisoners did absolutely no good—which is an outright lie.
So, it’s extremely unlikely that this story will get much beyond places like FR and WND.
It’s mindboggling why the Bush administration didn’t use the Iraqi involvement in the OKC bombing to make the case for Saddam Hussein’s direct involvement with islamist terrorists and the mass murder of Americans. This was probably the most solid case.
Yea, right, and the US military’s foremost expert on demolition was wrong, huh?
Say Baaaaa Mr Sheep.
Yes, McVey was involved, but just as cover for the real action.
These libtards will lie about anything to save their own skin.
After reading lots of information on this I determined, years ago, that this was a muslim attack and there was a cover-up. The government wanted the case closed.
I think that McVeigh was guilty, too. The truck bomb wasn’t capable of knocking down the building, but it was capable of breaking the facade and blowing glass all over the place inside the building.
What the FBI did was to help him out, by planting further explosives on the support pillars in the basement, ensuring that the whole building would come down.
Its way beyond the scope of this thread to educate one as deeply in the dark as you apparently are.
The damage to the Murrah building blew outward, not inward. The video from the water co. office camera clearly showed the glass and window frames flying outward.
Partin's analysis is certainly interesting. But I have an acquaintance who makes bombs for the military. He told me that he could easily have made a bomb out of the materials McVeigh supposedly used and exploded them in a truck near the building with similar effect. Jayna Davis' book is also interesting, and not even irrelevant if the McVeigh truck story is true, but nothing is certain about what happened in Oklahoma City, except that some FBI guys took the day off to play golf and it helped to resurrect the Clinton Presidency.
It's quite simple physics.
McVey was cover.
His bomb didn’t have much affect on the building, and there was absolutely nothing blown inward. The water co surveilance video shows all the stuff flying outward.
Partin covered all the bases in his report.
Actual,ly, I think odds are you are spot on.
And it was flight 800.
Yea, the same “depth” as you study everything.
Read the Partin report. He has no equal in demolition.
It is a shame that we COULD NOT learn more about their connections with other terrorist groups. This was a fine example of the Clinton administration not letting a good crisis go to waste.
There’s plenty of evidence out there but we’ll never see it. The same with the TWA explosion. I really began to detest the Clintons after I read Davis’ book. Now I detest the entire democrat party.
All I can say in this day of 20 year long drawn out appeals before death row inmates are executed they sure got McVeigh out of the way in a hurry.
can not seem to open these videos.
As I recall, the Oklahoma University seismograph registered explosions at the Murrah Building a full ten seconds prior to McVeigh’s truck going off.
There could have been shaped charges on the columns of the buildings.
Some survivors said that they went under their desks when they felt the building rumble. A short time later was the explosion from McVeigh’s truck.
The truck held an unshaped charge that was not UNDER the building, but out side the building on the street.
The resultant blast went off in all directions. The buildings across the street did not collapse but had their windows blown out. The truck bomb did some damage, but it would not have brought down half the building, which was reinforced concrete in construction, that is, unless the truck was UNDER the building in the garage.
Funny how NO building security camera footage from any of the downtown buildings that morning was ever shown.
The deflection was immediate as to the cause of the bombing. Within the day, Rush Limbaugh and right wingers were blamed.
The truth is there were ex-Iraqi soldiers in Elohim City that were involved. John Doe #2 from Tim’s truck became a legend by the second day.
A lot of people who questioned the government’s position, well, shall we say, died in untimely ways.
Someday we will know the truth. But as an engineer, I never believed that the truck brought down the building. The blast would never have severed interior colums as cleanly as that unfocussed, unshaped mass of fertilizer did.
McVey’s bomb was incapable of shearing the collumns.
Had there not been all the cutting charges in the basement, the whole thing would have been a job for a small glass company.
I was watching ABC news on Good Morning America that morning. the newscaster said the police were looking for ...”SIX swarthy complected men of Middle Eastern extraction who were seen dressed in jogging suits running from the scene of the blast.”
No more was ever mentioned about them.
Wonder what could have been learned from McVey and Nichols had they been waterboarded or otherwise inconvenienced while in Federal custody?
My experience with you is that you do not know what you are talking about. I have spoken to someone who is an obvious explosives expert to me, and he tells me he could have done this too. What expertise do you have that causes you to say it couldn't have happened the way my acquaintance (engineering college friend) says it could have happened? (You can't even spell column!)
It makes absolutely no sense... unless he was taking one for the team.
Question: In what U.S. city did the alleged Al-Qaeda 9-11 hijackers take their flight training?
Answer: Oklahoma City
Bill Clinton's "Reichstag Fire."
You are so right ON with this. Isn’t it amazing that it takes 20 to 25 years to put a murderer to death and the Government put Tim down in a month. They put the reporters that had a swatch of a seat with rocket fuel on it in jail. Read my tag line.
“What the FBI did was to help him out, by planting further explosives on the support pillars in the basement, ensuring that the whole building would come down.”
I hope that is sarcasm, because if it isn’t, you need help.
Just like Gerald Ford.
He said there was no crater under the truck. It was an unshaped charge that could not have done
I spoke to a Denver Fire Chief who was a first responder.
this much damage to the Murrah building.
He said there was no crater under the truck.
It was an unshaped charge that could not have done
“My experience with you is that you do not know what you are talking about.”
I don’t need any experience to know he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Way too many people in this thread sound like Rosie Odonell. Tehy start with an idiotic premise that the truck could not have brought down the building and the next thing you know, FBI agents planted the charges. It’s sick.
The only help he needs is to get the correct agency. It was ATF that was in charge of that one, not FBI.
Your ‘friend’ lacks the credentials of General Benjamin K. Partin.
You are either incredably naive, or incredibly stupid.
I won’t bother committing to either.
Not only Jayna Davis’ book required reading but a reminder of NYTimes connection to shutting down the investigation.
“Isnt it amazing that it takes 20 to 25 years to put a murderer to death and the Government put Tim down in a month.”
He was convicted in 1999 and sentenced to death. In January of 2001 he waived all further appeals and asked for his execution to be carried out. He was executed 6 months later. All people sentenced to death get an execution date set within months of the the verdict. It is always lifted when an appeal is filed. When he refused to appeal the government executed him on schedule. No mystery, no conspiracy, no black helicopters. You people need to get a grip.
I wouldn't call it an idiotic premise. Partin obviously is not an idiot. My only point is that there are experts with different opinions about this and if you're relatively unwashed regarding explosives as I am, then it's best not to think you know for sure what happened.
should have asked KSM, Zubayda and that fricken yemeni what’s his face when their heads came up from the water!!!! Yeah I know, I’m really sensitive and probably going to prison.
I appreciate the facts. You had my respect until the last sentence. I tell my liberal friends it is about ideas and issues, not personal attacks.