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McVeigh reference prompts responseDavid Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic,
World Net Daily ^ | 04/23/2009 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon

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1 posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon

VIDEO OF SHIPPERS INTERVIEW here

www.americastruthforum.com


2 posted on 04/23/2009 4:20:39 PM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: RaceBannon

http://martinigraphicdesign.com/preview/atf/ATF-VIDEO-OK.wmv


3 posted on 04/23/2009 4:21:07 PM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: RaceBannon

for later


4 posted on 04/23/2009 4:21:57 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: RaceBannon

Schippers id 100% correct.

General Partin’s detailed analysis of the damage to the building proved that McVey’s truck had no effect on the building. Tim McVey has become the ‘Oswald’ of the building bombers.


5 posted on 04/23/2009 4:22:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: RaceBannon

Schippers busted his butt back then, making this case openly and repeatedly, but he lacked the necessary support from the Republicans to push it to the forefront. Sound familiar? Even then, they were selling us out with their gutlessness.


6 posted on 04/23/2009 4:23:29 PM PDT by raptor29
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To: RaceBannon
Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Crazy Napo’s got to go!
7 posted on 04/23/2009 4:24:17 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: RaceBannon

http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1537

At the bottom of the posted article!


8 posted on 04/23/2009 4:27:20 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: editor-surveyor
? At the same time that truck rained down parts all over the post office building just across the intersection AND the explosion, as paltry as it was, broke thousands and thousands of windows in downtown OK City.

Obviously it did nothing to the Murrah building but blow out one whole side and the top!

Gernal who?

9 posted on 04/23/2009 4:27:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: editor-surveyor
Why is it so hard for these folks to believe that islamic terrorists recruited some crazy American white guys to execute a terrorist plot? I'll be you that the islamists sent a letter to the White House the very same day of the bombing but that the government sat on it so as not to cause a public panic. Same thing with that jet shot down over Long Island Sound. Supposed to be some fuel tank. BS! The World Trade center would have been a tragic airline accident. All the fault of Republican spending cuts at FAA. Until the second plane hit on live TV. Trust the Federal government? HAHAHAHAHAH!
10 posted on 04/23/2009 4:27:34 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: editor-surveyor
No, nobody with any credibility buys into that.

McVeigh and Nichols were definitely involved.

The rented truck full of fertilizer and diesel fuel DID do the damage.

The truck was driven down I35, just 5 minutes from my house at the time.

I knew lots of people in OKC, at the time.

I absolutely think that others were involved, but to what degree I can not be sure.

However, McVeigh and Nichols were guilty. It is a shame that we did not learn more about their connections with other terrorist groups.

11 posted on 04/23/2009 4:32:18 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: RaceBannon

Just what we were saying here. What’s more, some of the Muslim terrorists were double agents working for the FBI and the ATF.

Kind of like that Muslim CIA agent who did the OpEd piece in the New York Times this morning, saying that all that horrible CIA “torture” of Muslim prisoners did absolutely no good—which is an outright lie.

So, it’s extremely unlikely that this story will get much beyond places like FR and WND.


12 posted on 04/23/2009 4:35:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RaceBannon

It’s mindboggling why the Bush administration didn’t use the Iraqi involvement in the OKC bombing to make the case for Saddam Hussein’s direct involvement with islamist terrorists and the mass murder of Americans. This was probably the most solid case.


13 posted on 04/23/2009 4:36:08 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to becomes slaves of Washington.")
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To: Kansas58

Yea, right, and the US military’s foremost expert on demolition was wrong, huh?

Say Baaaaa Mr Sheep.

Yes, McVey was involved, but just as cover for the real action.


14 posted on 04/23/2009 4:36:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: RaceBannon

These libtards will lie about anything to save their own skin.


15 posted on 04/23/2009 4:39:24 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: RaceBannon

After reading lots of information on this I determined, years ago, that this was a muslim attack and there was a cover-up. The government wanted the case closed.


16 posted on 04/23/2009 4:39:24 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: editor-surveyor

I think that McVeigh was guilty, too. The truck bomb wasn’t capable of knocking down the building, but it was capable of breaking the facade and blowing glass all over the place inside the building.

What the FBI did was to help him out, by planting further explosives on the support pillars in the basement, ensuring that the whole building would come down.


17 posted on 04/23/2009 4:39:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: muawiyah

Its way beyond the scope of this thread to educate one as deeply in the dark as you apparently are.

The damage to the Murrah building blew outward, not inward. The video from the water co. office camera clearly showed the glass and window frames flying outward.


18 posted on 04/23/2009 4:40:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
General Partin’s detailed analysis of the damage to the building proved that McVey’s truck had no effect on the building.

Partin's analysis is certainly interesting. But I have an acquaintance who makes bombs for the military. He told me that he could easily have made a bomb out of the materials McVeigh supposedly used and exploded them in a truck near the building with similar effect. Jayna Davis' book is also interesting, and not even irrelevant if the McVeigh truck story is true, but nothing is certain about what happened in Oklahoma City, except that some FBI guys took the day off to play golf and it helped to resurrect the Clinton Presidency.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 04/23/2009 4:42:03 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: editor-surveyor
I've studied the matter in great depth. The truck was beside the building. The building blew UP. The debris then came DOWN, with the greater part of it coming down on the rest of the building.

It's quite simple physics.

20 posted on 04/23/2009 4:42:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RaceBannon

For Later


21 posted on 04/23/2009 4:44:42 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Cicero

McVey was cover.

His bomb didn’t have much affect on the building, and there was absolutely nothing blown inward. The water co surveilance video shows all the stuff flying outward.

Partin covered all the bases in his report.


22 posted on 04/23/2009 4:45:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: April Lexington

Actual,ly, I think odds are you are spot on.

And it was flight 800.


23 posted on 04/23/2009 4:46:15 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: muawiyah

Yea, the same “depth” as you study everything.

Read the Partin report. He has no equal in demolition.


24 posted on 04/23/2009 4:47:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Kansas58

It is a shame that we COULD NOT learn more about their connections with other terrorist groups. This was a fine example of the Clinton administration not letting a good crisis go to waste.

There’s plenty of evidence out there but we’ll never see it. The same with the TWA explosion. I really began to detest the Clintons after I read Davis’ book. Now I detest the entire democrat party.


25 posted on 04/23/2009 4:47:01 PM PDT by beelzepug (OFA (ofay) had best stay away.)
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To: editor-surveyor

All I can say in this day of 20 year long drawn out appeals before death row inmates are executed they sure got McVeigh out of the way in a hurry.


26 posted on 04/23/2009 4:47:48 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: RaceBannon

can not seem to open these videos.


27 posted on 04/23/2009 4:49:23 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Cicero

As I recall, the Oklahoma University seismograph registered explosions at the Murrah Building a full ten seconds prior to McVeigh’s truck going off.

There could have been shaped charges on the columns of the buildings.

Some survivors said that they went under their desks when they felt the building rumble. A short time later was the explosion from McVeigh’s truck.

The truck held an unshaped charge that was not UNDER the building, but out side the building on the street.

The resultant blast went off in all directions. The buildings across the street did not collapse but had their windows blown out. The truck bomb did some damage, but it would not have brought down half the building, which was reinforced concrete in construction, that is, unless the truck was UNDER the building in the garage.

Funny how NO building security camera footage from any of the downtown buildings that morning was ever shown.

The deflection was immediate as to the cause of the bombing. Within the day, Rush Limbaugh and right wingers were blamed.

The truth is there were ex-Iraqi soldiers in Elohim City that were involved. John Doe #2 from Tim’s truck became a legend by the second day.

A lot of people who questioned the government’s position, well, shall we say, died in untimely ways.

Someday we will know the truth. But as an engineer, I never believed that the truck brought down the building. The blast would never have severed interior colums as cleanly as that unfocussed, unshaped mass of fertilizer did.


28 posted on 04/23/2009 4:51:21 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: RaceBannon

Placemarker


29 posted on 04/23/2009 4:51:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: ml/nj

McVey’s bomb was incapable of shearing the collumns.

Had there not been all the cutting charges in the basement, the whole thing would have been a job for a small glass company.


30 posted on 04/23/2009 4:51:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: RaceBannon

I was watching ABC news on Good Morning America that morning. the newscaster said the police were looking for ...”SIX swarthy complected men of Middle Eastern extraction who were seen dressed in jogging suits running from the scene of the blast.”

No more was ever mentioned about them.


31 posted on 04/23/2009 4:53:17 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Wonder what could have been learned from McVey and Nichols had they been waterboarded or otherwise inconvenienced while in Federal custody?


32 posted on 04/23/2009 4:53:42 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: RaceBannon

BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM !!!!!


33 posted on 04/23/2009 4:57:55 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops)
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McVey’s bomb was incapable of shearing the collumns(sic).

My experience with you is that you do not know what you are talking about. I have spoken to someone who is an obvious explosives expert to me, and he tells me he could have done this too. What expertise do you have that causes you to say it couldn't have happened the way my acquaintance (engineering college friend) says it could have happened? (You can't even spell column!)

ML/NJ

34 posted on 04/23/2009 4:58:37 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: RaceBannon
We had an act of war perpetrated by Iraqi intelligence agents on American soil that cost innocent American lives. Jayna Davis' research was confirmed by Clinton CIA appointee James Woolsey and STILL Bush said NOTHING. For years, he took constant bashing from the left about Iraq not being a threat, and didn't bat an eyelash.

It makes absolutely no sense... unless he was taking one for the team.

35 posted on 04/23/2009 4:58:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's time to waterboard that teleprompter and find out what it knows.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Question: In what U.S. city did the alleged Al-Qaeda 9-11 hijackers take their flight training?

Answer: Oklahoma City


36 posted on 04/23/2009 4:59:13 PM PDT by Raster Man
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To: exit82
"The deflection was immediate as to the cause of the bombing. Within the day, Rush Limbaugh and right wingers were blamed."

Bill Clinton's "Reichstag Fire."

37 posted on 04/23/2009 5:00:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: April Lexington

You are so right ON with this. Isn’t it amazing that it takes 20 to 25 years to put a murderer to death and the Government put Tim down in a month. They put the reporters that had a swatch of a seat with rocket fuel on it in jail. Read my tag line.


38 posted on 04/23/2009 5:00:13 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Cicero

“What the FBI did was to help him out, by planting further explosives on the support pillars in the basement, ensuring that the whole building would come down.”

I hope that is sarcasm, because if it isn’t, you need help.


39 posted on 04/23/2009 5:00:25 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: Carry_Okie
"It makes absolutely no sense... unless he was taking one for the team."

Just like Gerald Ford.

40 posted on 04/23/2009 5:01:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Partin covered all the bases in his report.

I spoke to a Denver Fire Chief who was a first responder.

He said there was no crater under the truck.

It was an unshaped charge that could not have done
this much damage to the Murrah building.


41 posted on 04/23/2009 5:02:38 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ml/nj

“My experience with you is that you do not know what you are talking about.”

I don’t need any experience to know he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Way too many people in this thread sound like Rosie Odonell. Tehy start with an idiotic premise that the truck could not have brought down the building and the next thing you know, FBI agents planted the charges. It’s sick.


42 posted on 04/23/2009 5:03:46 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: yazoo; Cicero
"I hope that is sarcasm, because if it isn’t, you need help."

The only help he needs is to get the correct agency. It was ATF that was in charge of that one, not FBI.

43 posted on 04/23/2009 5:04:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: ml/nj

Your ‘friend’ lacks the credentials of General Benjamin K. Partin.


44 posted on 04/23/2009 5:06:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: yazoo

You are either incredably naive, or incredibly stupid.

I won’t bother committing to either.


45 posted on 04/23/2009 5:08:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: RaceBannon

Not only Jayna Davis’ book required reading but a reminder of NYTimes connection to shutting down the investigation.


46 posted on 04/23/2009 5:08:23 PM PDT by Carley (MOANING IN AMERIKA)
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To: 70th Division

“Isn’t it amazing that it takes 20 to 25 years to put a murderer to death and the Government put Tim down in a month.”

He was convicted in 1999 and sentenced to death. In January of 2001 he waived all further appeals and asked for his execution to be carried out. He was executed 6 months later. All people sentenced to death get an execution date set within months of the the verdict. It is always lifted when an appeal is filed. When he refused to appeal the government executed him on schedule. No mystery, no conspiracy, no black helicopters. You people need to get a grip.


47 posted on 04/23/2009 5:10:13 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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idiotic premise

I wouldn't call it an idiotic premise. Partin obviously is not an idiot. My only point is that there are experts with different opinions about this and if you're relatively unwashed regarding explosives as I am, then it's best not to think you know for sure what happened.

ML/NJ

48 posted on 04/23/2009 5:11:06 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Kansas58

should have asked KSM, Zubayda and that fricken yemeni what’s his face when their heads came up from the water!!!! Yeah I know, I’m really sensitive and probably going to prison.


49 posted on 04/23/2009 5:12:02 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: yazoo

I appreciate the facts. You had my respect until the last sentence. I tell my liberal friends it is about ideas and issues, not personal attacks.


50 posted on 04/23/2009 5:12:33 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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