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Outcry Erupts from Alleged Homophobia: Gay student asked to step down by Christian group
2009 The Cornell Daily Sun ^ | April 23, 2009 - 12:00am | By Alex Berg

Posted on 04/23/2009 8:00:12 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

A campus Christian group that receives funding from the student activity fee is coming under scrutiny after a student was asked by advisors to step down from its leadership team when he told them that he had openly accepted his homosexuality. This incident is also raising questions about the effectiveness of campus mechanisms for addressing instances of discrimination.

Chris Donohoe ’09, who joined the Chi Alpha Christian Fellowship when he was a freshman, said he had been openly struggling to reconcile his sexuality with his faith in Chi Alpha before he was asked to step down from the leadership team by Matt and Tracy Herman, the organization’s pastors. The Hermans, both members of Chi Alpha at Missouri State University before graduating in 2002, became Cornell Chi Alpha’s campus pastors in 2006.

The leadership team consists of 12 or 13 especially dedicated students who lead bible studies, teach and are “good examples,” according to Danielle D’Ambrosio ’10, Chi Alpha’s president. The leadership team differs from titled leadership positions because students do not have to apply to be part of the team.

Before joining the leadership team, Donohoe was vice president during his junior year. To enter a titled position in Chi Alpha, students must apply through the Hermans and demonstrate that they uphold certain values, including not engaging in premarital sex, and refraining from drinking alcohol and taking drugs, according to Donohoe.

“I thought it would be an awesome opportunity to be an openly gay man in a Christian organization,” Donohoe said.

After Donohoe finished his term as vice president, he was going to be on the leadership team last fall. The Hermans told Donohoe that they were comfortable with his position as long as he did not engage in a relationship. However, after Donohoe met his boyfriend last summer and affirmed his acceptance of his sexuality, the Hermans asked him to step down from the team without consulting the rest of the organization.

“I told them I’ve thought about [my sexuality] and I’m 100 percent OK with my sexuality. … I wanted the opportunity to show them I love god and I’m gay and it’s OK,” Donohoe said.

D’Ambrosio explained that Donohoe was asked to step down because he no longer believed his sexuality was a sin and stopped actively working to overcome it, disregarding the Bible.

“The decision to ask Chris to step down was not that he did something wrong in having homosexual tendencies. [It was because] he no longer thought it was wrong. … I support the decision fully,” D’Ambrosio said.

Because Chi Alpha is an independent student organization registered with Cornell’s Student Activities Office, the situation has provoked a reaction from Cornell administrators.

“We are very concerned with what happened and we want to make sure this is a campus that does not discriminate in this way,” Dean of Students Kent Hubbell ’67 said.

Indpendent student organizations at Cornell are prohibited from discriminating membership on the basis of race, religion, gender and sexual orientation, according to the Student Activities Offices Independent Organization Contract. The anti-discrimination policy, however, does not extend to the leadership of independent student organizations.

While registered as an “indpendent” student organization, Chi Alpha still receives a share of the student activity fee, distributed by the Student Assembly Finance Commission.

This Spring, the SAFC allocated Chi Alpha upwards of $700, according to a source who asked to remain anonymous because he is not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

Yuliya Neverova ’10, co-chair of the SAFC, explained that the SAFC does not investigate the specific goals or actions of groups as it allocates funds to different campus organizations.

Instead, the SAFC relies on the Student Activites Office to determine which groups are in “good standing.”

According to the SAO website, organizations are obligated to “operate in a manner consistent with the goals and standards of the [University],” which include a prohibition on denying a person admission to an activity on the basis of sexual orientation.

She said that the SAO and the SAFC may investigate the situation, though she conceded that there was little recent SAFC precedent to follow for handling these circumstances.

“We haven’t had to deal with this issue before,” she said.

Donohoe has a long-standing relationship with the Chi Alpha leadership and the decision to ask him to step down was made over a substantial period of time.

“The leadership of Chi Alpha and Chris have had a relationship and very in-depth now have been grappling with this particular situation, so this was not just an arbitrary sort of circumstance,” Kenneth I. Clarke, Sr., D. Min, Cornell United Religious Work director, said.

After he was asked to step down, Donohoe remained in the organization but sought to create a dialogue with Chi Alpha, to both hold the organization accountable for asking him to step down due to his sexuality and to educate instead of punish.

“There was a consequence for my belief — that it’s okay [to] be a homosexual. … I believe you should be held responsible and accountable to your beliefs so that Chi Alpha is answering to everyone to the community,” Donohoe said.

Donohoe contacted Mary Beth Grant, the judicial administrator, to pursue an outlet. Grant informed Donohoe that no legal action could be taken through the J.A. since Donohoe was permitted to remain in the organization, Donohoe explained. Donohoe filed a bias report a month ago and contacted Dean Hubbell and Rev. Clarke.

Grant could not be reached for comment.

Donohoe met with Hubbell and Clarke to find the best avenue to pursue action, by addressing the issue as it relates to students rights — why outsiders are coming into a student organization and limiting students meeting with the Hermans and/or changing the campus code, Donohoe said.

“Student organizations are supposed to be by and for students. There are systems of having advisors, but they advise, they don’t supervise,” Hubbell said. “The students are the ones who make the final decisions.”

Since Chi Alpha is a part of CURW, the organization is held to a CURW covenant that permits religious organizations to make decisions based on doctrinal convictions, but also prohibits organizations from excluding members based on their sexual orientation.

“Certainly we do not support … discrimination of any sort. On the other hand, what makes this complex is the fact that according to the CURW covenant, organizations may be able to make decisions based on doctrinal convictions,” Clarke said.

Hubbell and Clarke have communicated the University’s position to the Hermans and the next step will be a meeting between all parties involved.

In the meantime, the controversy has spread across various campus listservs, and the Student Assembly will discuss on Thursday a resolution about the future of Chi Alpha.

“It is unfortunate that both a registered student organization and an SAFC-funded organization has mistreated its members and leaders in such an egregious manner. A resolution regarding the group’s current funding and funding eligibility in the future will be discussed at [Thursday’s] Student Assembly meeting,” Ryan Lavin ’09, S.A. president, said yesterday.

A vigil will take place Friday on the Arts Quad outside of Chi Alpha’s meeting.

“This is more than a slap in the face to one individual, this is a slap in the face to the entire LGBT community, especially those of faith,” Donohoe said. “Chi Alpha is basically saying that my sexuality — along with the sexualities of every other LGBT community member — is not legitimate in the eyes of god. Chi Alpha must recognize that this belief is hurtful and discriminatory. It’s time for Chi Alpha to face the Cornell community and own up.”

Homosexuality is considered a sin, which is “biblically based,” according to Jessica Longoria ’09, former president of Chi Alpha.

“If you’re committing sins “If you’re committing sins you will not enter the kingdom of god,” Longoria said.

“My personal belief is that … I don’t believe it is a genetic thing,” D’Ambrosio said.

But despite these beliefs the situation has been difficult for all involved.

“I’m still friends with [Chris], I know a lot of people in Chi Alpha are friends with him. … Just to say that this is a really difficult situation for all of us. … I think we’re all struggling,” Longoria said.

Likewise, D’Ambrosio affirmed Chi Alpha’s relationship with Donohoe.

“I think that a lot of times Christian organizations do get a bad name for taking a stance against homosexuality because it looks like we are condemning a person but I want to make it clear that we have nothing against Chris or another person for choosing to be a homosexual,” D’Ambrosio said.

Matt and Tracy Herman declined to comment for this story until a meeting is held between all parties.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: christianstudents; cityofevil; communistgoals; cornell; frankfurtschool; gramsci; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; ithaca; subversion
Ithaca is the City of Evil.


1 posted on 04/23/2009 8:00:13 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; John Valentine; TLBSHOW; ...
City of Evil bump:


2 posted on 04/23/2009 8:02:13 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Start. fighting. these. creeps. now.


3 posted on 04/23/2009 8:03:38 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

>A campus Christian group that receives funding from the student activity fee is coming under scrutiny after a student was asked by advisors to step down from its leadership team when he told them that he had openly accepted his homosexuality.

I see nothing wrong with this; and here’s why: Suppose that I was a deacon at my church — an Evangelical Free church — which has in its charter a clause on the church’s stance on sexuality. Now, imagine that I endorse homosexual relations, which is against the charter, and draw a request from the congregation to stand down/resign.

The same principle applies.


4 posted on 04/23/2009 8:08:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I think student activity funds should either be voluntary or work like a voucher. You get to join 4 organizations and your fee would be divided between them.

Its absurd that on many campuses the largest student groups are denied any funding. mostly christian and conservative.


5 posted on 04/23/2009 8:09:10 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If this Donahue was such a Christian, WHY? would he try to sue his former ‘brothers and sisters’..doesn’t sound very Christian like to me..! (Only God truely knows someone’s heart, however he is openly resisting the words spoken in the Bible, and trying to force Others to do so as well..so I would question his faith, he even goes to secular authories to do so, rather than handling it “inside” the Christian group (the Church) as the Apostle Paul instructs us to do).


7 posted on 04/23/2009 8:13:57 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Obama yo 'mama', Uncle Sam yo 'baby daddy'!; (The new cry of the Obama generation)!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This has to be a setup by “da gays”.


8 posted on 04/23/2009 8:14:43 PM PDT by FreepShop1 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
> Because Chi Alpha is... registered with Cornell’s Student Activities Office, the situation has provoked a reaction from Cornell administrators.... Chi Alpha still receives a share of the student activity fee, distributed by the Student Assembly Finance Commission.

Okay, so if this money comes with strings attached (e.g. Chi Alpha has to keep the gay fellow), turn their stinking money down.

I don't see the issue with the gay fellow. Chi Alpha should (in my opinion) have the right to choose and keep its members according to its own rules. The gay fellow knows the rules, and broke them. He's toast.

So if taking student-activity money comes with unwelcome strings, turn it down. At that point, if Chi Alpha is still hearing crap from the college, they can fight it on a purely moral basis, which is where the fight belongs.

9 posted on 04/23/2009 8:15:56 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Oh I am so homophobic.


10 posted on 04/23/2009 8:19:13 PM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“I thought it would be an awesome opportunity to be an openly gay man in a Christian organization,”

An awesome opportunity for in-your-face advancement of homosexuality—a queer hiding behind Christianity advancing the goals of homosexualism. Sin comes in many forms.


11 posted on 04/23/2009 8:22:54 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; WKB; NYer

Christophobia ping.


12 posted on 04/23/2009 8:30:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: JSDude1

CINO


13 posted on 04/23/2009 8:31:26 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lilylangtree

He saw it as an awesome opportunity to start a lawsuit to bring the organization down.

He was probably a plant.


14 posted on 04/23/2009 8:32:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Beloved Levinite; TwelveOfTwenty; arderkrag; dixiebelle; raynearhood; Between the Lines; Enosh; ...

Baptist ping


15 posted on 04/23/2009 8:33:21 PM PDT by WKB (If life was fair Elvis would be alive and all the imitators would be dead.)
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To: lilylangtree

There’s something about someone who’s gay that considers themselves a man that just doesn’t quite fit.

The term *gay man* is an oxymoron.


16 posted on 04/23/2009 8:33:51 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Celebrate sin.

Sounds like a new religion. One called aposty.

He’s discriminating against the Christians and their beliefs. There is plenty of evidence for their beliefs, not so much for his.


17 posted on 04/23/2009 8:39:27 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (IRONY - we know more about the First Dog's historical papers than we do of President Barack.)
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To: metmom

Yep, I believe he was a plant too. Anything, anyway, any how states the mantra of homosexual community to further their agenda. That’s why I don’t feel sorry for this jerk.


18 posted on 04/23/2009 8:56:54 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I wanted the opportunity to show them I love god and I’m gay and it’s OK,” Donohoe said.

Yes, you do love 'god' but it's the god that dwells only within the dark netherworld that encompasses and entertains the soul of the homosexual pervert.


19 posted on 04/23/2009 9:02:02 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
“I thought it would be an awesome opportunity to be an openly gay man in a Christian organization,” Donohoe said....“I told them I’ve thought about [my sexuality] and I’m 100 percent OK with my sexuality. … I wanted the opportunity to show them I love god and I’m gay and it’s OK,” Donohoe said....Donohoe filed a bias report...“This is more than a slap in the face to one individual, this is a slap in the face to the entire LGBT community, especially those of faith,” Donohoe said. “Chi Alpha is basically saying that my sexuality — along with the sexualities of every other LGBT community member — is not legitimate in the eyes of god. Chi Alpha must recognize that this belief is hurtful and discriminatory. It’s time for Chi Alpha to face the Cornell community and own up.”

Yegads, what hubris! What is he doing for his senior thesis, writing his own Bible?

20 posted on 04/23/2009 9:04:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: lilylangtree; metmom
" said he had been openly struggling to reconcile his sexuality with his faith in Chi Alpha"

There's his problem. Faith in Chi Alpha won't get him to Heaven, only accepting Christ as his personal savior will do that. That would take care of his struggle to "reconcile his sexuality" too. I can't find any "reconcilin" to homosexuality in the bible.

21 posted on 04/23/2009 9:09:12 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; All

The simple question is:

does any campus student group have the right to set the rules for membership in their organization?

The simple answer MUST BE - yes, or else THAT - that they cannot set their own rules of membership - IS discrimination.

On issues of social and religious values, the only “tolerant”, “non-discriminatory” position for a secular public school administration to take is that of an agnostic - neither an advocate nor an opponent, between different positions.

To demand “acceptance” of the political “gay” position in these matters, as an enforceable value standard on diverse student groups, is not a position of an agnostic, not a position of tolerance and not a position of “diversity”, but, in fact, an act of discrimination.


22 posted on 04/23/2009 9:12:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Because Chi Alpha is an independent student organization registered with Cornell’s Student Activities Office, the situation has provoked a reaction from Cornell administrators. “We are very concerned with what happened and we want to make sure this is a campus that does not discriminate in this way,” Dean of Students Kent Hubbell ’67 said.

Any administration that browbeats Chi Alpha for daring to respect biblical values is an administration that DOES discriminate. It is an administration that will destroy diversity, freedom of choice, and a level playing field for all groups.

23 posted on 04/23/2009 10:16:20 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: bboop
Oh I am so homophobic.

No you are not.

There is no such thing as "homophobia".

Are you afraid of gays? Didn't think so..

And if there is such a thing as "homophobia" why are "homophobics" treated with disdain? Do we beat up on any other phobics? No! All other phobias are tolerated in society and the phobics are sympathized with - but not "homophobics".

That, in itself, that gays, themselves, don't consider "homophobia" to be a true phobia.

24 posted on 04/23/2009 11:06:22 PM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Why the "Homophobia" premise? Because that is the first step to calling it a mental health problem. Next they will move the premise toward "Homomania" or "Homopathic".

And yet, some continue to unknowingly push this premise, for example Rush Limbaugh who says "they call us racists/bigots/homophobes but that's not true"

It is an evil premise that must not be promulgated.

25 posted on 04/24/2009 2:11:50 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: skeeter

What about the Heterophobia suffered by Miss California?


26 posted on 04/24/2009 2:18:40 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, BLACK, Beautiful, Conservative!!!)
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To: brwnsuga

I’d prefer to call it plain old lefty nastiness.


27 posted on 04/24/2009 2:25:17 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Wil H
There is no such thing as "homophobia".

Absolutely not true!

Homo -- the same

Phobia -- an fear of ____

therefore, Homophobia: a fear of monotony.


Homosexmisia is a more appropriate word.

Homo -- the same

Sex -- duh

-misia -- a loathing for ____, disgust of ____

therefore, Homosexmisia: Loathing of homosexual sex

28 posted on 04/24/2009 2:57:08 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It must be spring. A young man’s fancy turns to love.


29 posted on 04/24/2009 3:06:53 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Vetran trained in demolition and small arms, anti large govement guess I made Janet's list)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
“I thought it would be an awesome opportunity to be an openly gay man in a Christian organization,” Donohoe said.

Infiltrate and destroy. What could be more obvious?

30 posted on 04/24/2009 4:19:41 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
So, if a white man, who believes that whites are superior to blacks and other minorities wants to be President of the campus Black Studies Student Group, it would be discriminatory not to hire him? Or if a local Imam, who believes that all women should wear burkas and be subservient to men wants to be president of the student Feminist Group, that would be OK?

Noooo, of course not. That's different. When leftists "discriminate," its a good thing. Rules, regulations, morals, laws, none of these things apply to them. They're above such menial considerations.

31 posted on 04/24/2009 4:21:36 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: markomalley

Most liberals are Christianphobes.


32 posted on 04/24/2009 4:21:41 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: OneWingedShark

There is nothing wrong with this, in the context of the Campus Christian group. Unfortunately, the same principle applies to the student association as a whole. Their “charter” (or whatever they call the equivalent) says that you cannot discriminate on these grounds. You may think that is wrong, but that is what is in the charter. Therefore the campus christian group is in breach of it.

The answer is quite clear. If the campus christian group feels that their stance is right and true and biblical, then they must proceed as they have, and if the student association feels said action is against their charter of incorporation, then the christian group is going to have to forego the funding the association provides. That should be the end of the matter. The student association does not, or should not, have any other way of influencing them.


33 posted on 04/24/2009 4:29:48 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: dayglored

Quite so!


34 posted on 04/24/2009 4:31:01 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Chris is a mole, a ringer , a destructive force designed to kill the fraternity.


35 posted on 04/24/2009 4:32:38 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: Wuli

“does any campus student group have the right to set the rules for membership in their organization?”

Quite so. The most basic liberty, even more important than the right to vote, is the right of freedom of association. Without that there can be no variation, no democracy, no free will.


36 posted on 04/24/2009 4:34:29 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Reaganesque

Its so obviously twisted I think it helps our side out just by being. When I was at University (and that is nearly thirty years back) the only student organisation that actively forbade people from being members based on their race, ethnicity and gender was the Women’s group, who spent most of their time campaigning for “equal” rights!


37 posted on 04/24/2009 4:38:29 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Money never comes without strings atached.

You use their money you abide by their policies. Wether it be complying with the non-discrimination policy applied to a student club or granting access to Marine Corp recruiters at campus that accepts Federal funds.

FYI - Also need to remember that not all Christian sects/groups view homosexuality as a sin. So we are going to see more conflicts arrising over this issue al,olng with old ones like can a person lead a Christian Goup if their Baptism was not Immersion?


38 posted on 04/24/2009 5:03:44 AM PDT by The_Repugnant_Conservative
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

bttt


39 posted on 04/24/2009 5:49:34 AM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

$700 is chump change. Why take Ceasar’s coin if there is no advantage in it and it beholdens you to kiss his filthy ring?


40 posted on 04/24/2009 5:57:11 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: metmom
He was probably a plant.

That thought occurred to me as well. We need to be wise as serpents in these evil days.

41 posted on 04/24/2009 5:58:54 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Genesis 13:13       Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight?
Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends.
Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



 

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....


42 posted on 04/24/2009 9:57:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Genesis 13:13       Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight?
Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends.
Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Ain't this just FABULOUS??      More?

 

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



 

But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape.....


43 posted on 04/24/2009 9:57:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
“I thought it would be an awesome opportunity to be an openly gay man in a Christian organization,” Donohoe said.

No, you saw it as a way to force acceptance. It definitely wasn't awesome.

44 posted on 04/24/2009 10:32:58 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy)
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To: Morgana
delenda est...
45 posted on 04/24/2009 2:40:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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