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Jonathan Landay and McClatchy Newspapers Still Ignorant About Saddam’s Ties To Al Queda
Flopping Aces ^ | Friday, April 24th, 2009 at 5:56 am | Scott Malensek

Posted on 04/24/2009 11:20:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Earlier this week an article by Jonathan Landay was published by the failing McClatchy Newspapers. The article asserted that innumerable people had been tortured with the intent and purpose of proving a tie between Saddam Hussein’s regime and the Al Queda network of terrorist groups. The article asserted that there never were any ties between the two, and that the torturing of captured Al Queda terrorists was done largely to create a fictional narrative that would support the case for invading Iraq (let’s ignore that the alleged “torture” happened AFTER the invasion of Iraq-just as was done in the article).

I attempted to contact Jonathan Landay to nicely and politely inform him that the issue of regime ties had never been closed. He responded nicely, pointed me in the direction of a few reports, then categorically declared that no ties existed and that the intelligence community had known this all along, but the Bush Administration “cherry-picked” intelligence to make its case for war.

After that initial email, Jonathon refused to respond to further attempts at educating him. SO, here we go…

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alexandervassiliev; alqaeda; ciainterrogation; iraq; saddam

1 posted on 04/24/2009 11:20:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Watching him stammer through his diatribe tore the ass right outta me.


2 posted on 04/24/2009 11:21:59 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: pissant; Perdogg; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; ...

fyi


3 posted on 04/24/2009 11:24:16 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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Direct Link to the Article....timed to tie in with the Interrogation Uproar...:

Report: Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link

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Posted on Tuesday, April 21, 2009

By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration applied relentless pressure on interrogators to use harsh methods on detainees in part to find evidence of cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime, according to a former senior U.S. intelligence official and a former Army psychiatrist.

Such information would've provided a foundation for one of former President George W. Bush's main arguments for invading Iraq in 2003. In fact, no evidence has ever been found of operational ties between Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and Saddam's regime.

The use of abusive interrogation — widely considered torture — as part of Bush's quest for a rationale to invade Iraq came to light as the Senate issued a major report tracing the origin of the abuses and President Barack Obama opened the door to prosecuting former U.S. officials for approving them.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney and others who advocated the use of sleep deprivation, isolation and stress positions and waterboarding, which simulates drowning, insist that they were legal.

A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that the interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.

"There were two reasons why these interrogations were so persistent, and why extreme methods were used," the former senior intelligence official said on condition of anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity.

"The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack (after 9/11). But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al Qaida and Iraq that (former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed) Chalabi and others had told them were there."

It was during this period that CIA interrogators waterboarded two alleged top al Qaida detainees repeatedly — Abu Zubaydah at least 83 times in August 2002 and Khalid Sheik Muhammed 183 times in March 2003 — according to a newly released Justice Department document.

"There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, especially the few high-value ones we had, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney's and Rumsfeld's people to push harder," he continued.

"Cheney's and Rumsfeld's people were told repeatedly, by CIA . . . and by others, that there wasn't any reliable intelligence that pointed to operational ties between bin Laden and Saddam, and that no such ties were likely because the two were fundamentally enemies, not allies."

Senior administration officials, however, "blew that off and kept insisting that we'd overlooked something, that the interrogators weren't pushing hard enough, that there had to be something more we could do to get that information," he said.

A former U.S. Army psychiatrist, Maj. Charles Burney, told Army investigators in 2006 that interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility were under "pressure" to produce evidence of ties between al Qaida and Iraq.

4 posted on 04/24/2009 11:29:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
From the article:

ON THE WEB

Senate report, part 1

Senate report, part 2

5 posted on 04/24/2009 11:32:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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Website of the Lefties:

Charles Burney And Guantanamo Bay

50 Images in the Picture Gallery....I think...

6 posted on 04/24/2009 11:37:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
These people write what they want despite facts. If for any reason he had bothered over a period of time say between 2003 and 2005 to research all the stuff that came out in the public regarding the various Sunni groups within Iraq, and foreign elements that Saddam allowed to operate within Iraqi borders, where they made racin, various forms of VX etc., just on that point ties to the Islamic radical goal of attacking the USA would stand out. And of course the Able Danger data that was made public showed that some Iraqi elements worked with al Qaeda over an extended period of time.
The public continues to be held in a black room regarding all the connections between all the Islamic groups and countries that had a part in helping radical groups work toward attacks on the USA.
7 posted on 04/24/2009 11:39:30 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; abb; SierraWasp; tubebender

Outright lies and deceit/bias and bs like this pos story is why McC is going down the drain rapidly.


8 posted on 04/24/2009 11:40:30 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: Marine_Uncle

They have a plan and they intend to construct the FACTS....


9 posted on 04/24/2009 11:40:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Roger that E.


10 posted on 04/24/2009 11:42:59 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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I am to image 14 of the photo Gallery and now they are including the Bagram Base and mention the expansion of a prison there....hmmm?

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Bagram Air Base is slated for a $60 million expansion, nearly doubling the size of the prison at Bagram. Currently the base north of the Afghan capital Kabul holds over 600 prisoners classified as enemy combatants.

11 posted on 04/24/2009 11:44:11 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Puppage

If Al-Qada never existed, and Saddaam never had ties to a non-existent Al-Qada, the grounds for entering war with Iraq would remain essentially unchanged.

The Bush administration did not point to 911 as a basis for entering Iraq, and it did not point heavily to Al-Qada as a basis for entering Iraq.

The fundamental basis for entering Iraq was Iraq’s reemergence as a resource-rich nation state, and it being/having:

- a well-armed nation state

- hostile intent to the west,

- unaccounted-for stocks of previously measured chem-bio weaponry

- distablizing intent to the oil producing region

- a recent history of military attacks on our military air flights

- claims of possession of chem-bio weaponry in statements to Iran

Saddaam had ties to Al-Qada, but it wasn’t these ties per se that weighed heavily in the decision to go to war. Instead, it was the previously mentioned list above, plus the expectation that a hostile, resource-rich nation state, would pass these resources along to any of many tansnational, militant terror groups, that led to the decision to enter Iraq with military forces.

By the way... If the Clinton administration hadn’t abrogated its responsiblity to enforce the conditions placed on Iraq at the end of Gulf War I, then Bush never would have been faced with a war decision.


12 posted on 04/24/2009 11:44:24 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From my files, hope the links all still work:

In in 1998, an Arab intelligence officer, who knows Saddam personally, predicted in Newsweek: "Very soon you will be witnessing large-scale terrorist activity run by the Iraqis." The Arab official said these terror operations would be run under "false flags" --spook-speak for front groups--including bin Laden's organization.

Then there were the predictions by an Iraqi with ties to Iraqi intelligence, Naeem Abd Mulhalhal, in Qusay's own newspaper several weeks before the attacks that stated bin Laden would “demolish the Pentagon after he destroys the White House and ”bin Laden would strike America “on the arm that is already hurting.” (referencing a second IRAQI sponsored attack on the World Trade Center). Another reference to New York was “[bin Laden] will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra everytime he hears his songs.” (e.g., “New York, New York”) which identified New York, New York as a target. Mulhalhal also stated, “The wings of a dove and the bullet are all but one and the same in the heart of a believer." which references an airplane attack.

The Arabic language daily newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabic also cited the cooperation between Iraq, bin Laden and Al December 1998 editorial, which predicted that “President Saddam Hussein, whose country was subjected to a four day air strike, will look for support in taking revenge on the United States and Britain by cooperating with Saudi oppositionist Osama Bin-Laden, whom the United States considers to be the most wanted person in the world.” This info is in the link provided below. How could these people have had foreknowledge without Iraq being involved?

Source for this info

Warning...slow loading .pdf file. This was from a lawsuit filed against Iraq after 9/11...the court ruled against Iraq.

There was also another lawsuit filed by the family of John O’Neill (a former FBI agent who captured Ramzi Yousef after the 1993 WTC bombings) after he died in the WTC on 9/11. His personal files from his years of traveling around the world investigating al-Qaeda are were used as evidence in the lawsuit. The evidence includes documents unearthed in the headquarters of the Mukhabarat (Iraq's intelligence service) and information gleaned from the interrogation of both al-Qaeda and Iraqi prisoners. (Link below). It also quotes Vincent Cannistraro, the former CIA counter-terrorism chief, who stated in October 2000 that Iraq had been wanting to carry out terrorist attacks, and that the Iraqi military had been in contact with Osama bin Laden.

Click Here

We know from these IIS documents that beginning in 1992 the former Iraqi regime regarded bin Laden as an Iraqi Intelligence asset. We know from IIS documents that the former Iraqi regime provided safe haven and financial support to an Iraqi who has admitted to mixing the chemicals for the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. We know from IIS documents that Saddam Hussein agreed to Osama bin Laden's request to broadcast anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi state-run television. We know from IIS documents that a "trusted confidante" of bin Laden stayed for more than two weeks at a posh Baghdad hotel as the guest of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think.

Weekly Standard: The Mother of All Connections

The Saddam-Al Qaeda Links: In Photos and Video (MUST SEE)

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:

Click here

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:

Click here

The AQ connection (excellent):

Click here

Western Nightmare:

Click here

Saddam's link to OBL:

Click here

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:

Click here

Document linking them:

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Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:

Click here

A federal judge rules there are links:

Click here

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:

Click here

Iraq and Iran contact OBL:

Click here

More evidence:

Click here

Saddam's AQ connection:

Click here

Further connections:

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What a court of law said about the connections:

Click here

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:

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Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)

Click here

Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.

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Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)

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Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)

Click here

The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)

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Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)

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Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):

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Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):

Click here

Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:

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Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:

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Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:

Click here

Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club

Click here

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:

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Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999

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The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003

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Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:

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No Question About It, National Review, September 2003

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Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View

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Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:

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Free Republic Thread that mentions some books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:

Click here

The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:

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Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003

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September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:

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Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

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Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003

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James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35

Click here

A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:

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Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:

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Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03

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CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:

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Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:

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The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again

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Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002

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The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003

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Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01

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Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:

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Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:

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The Missing Link (What the Senate Ingelligence Report Said about Iraq/AQ Connections)

Click Here

Credit to Peach for the above info.

Credit to joesbucks for the following links:

Dozens of links here:

Click here

Just a few of those links include:

The Clinton Justice Department's indictment against OBL in federal court which mentions the terrorist's connections to Iraq. November 4, 1998. The federal indictment:

Click here

Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate. The federal indictment against OBL working in concert with Iraq and Iran is mentioned. November 1998. The New York Times

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Saddam reaching out to OBL January 1, 1999. Newsweek

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ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections January 14, 1999. ABC News

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Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL. February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam's Link to OBL February 6, 1999. The Guardian

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Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden February 13, 1999. AP

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Video coverage from drzz:

Saddam- Al Qaeda VIDEOS library (MUST SEE)

And kabar submitted these two little gems showing Bin Laden supported Iraq and its struggle against the US and the West.

1996 Fatwa: "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

1998 Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans

13 posted on 04/24/2009 11:55:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

No “operational” links between al Qaeda and Saddam? Tell it to the thousands of people Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s network (which actually called itself “al Qaeda in Iraq”) killed in Iraq.

al-Qarqawi was “operating” training camps in Iraq as early as 2002. Secretary of State Colin Powell mentioned him by name at the UN. Think about that, al-Zarqawi was operating terrorist training camps in Saddam’s police state and it’s all just a coincidence to the Saddam apologists.


14 posted on 04/24/2009 12:04:47 PM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: ravingnutter

The link to 1996 Fatwa works but not the 1998.


15 posted on 04/24/2009 12:05:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They are NOT ignorant of these ties.


16 posted on 04/24/2009 12:06:09 PM PDT by TBP
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To: mbarker12474

Let’s not forget the resolutions that Saddam broke. After the first Iraq war, you break ANY resolution (not to mention the 18 that were actually broken) and the war can begin anew as if it never ended.


17 posted on 04/24/2009 12:06:38 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: ravingnutter

Thanks for all the good reading....


18 posted on 04/24/2009 12:25:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Grampa Dave

This plan needs a Media voice....wonder when the Soros money bails McClatchy out.


19 posted on 04/24/2009 12:28:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here is a link to the 1998 Fatwa text I found in a Google search a few moments ago. I will switch the active link for the dead one in my files. Thanks for the heads up.

More that I found in another file of mine:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths (OKC) in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

I checked those links and they all seem to be working.

20 posted on 04/24/2009 1:46:18 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://cancelthebee.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-info-confirms-revered-american.html

New info confirms revered American journalist worked for the KGB

I. F. Stone, a left-wing reporter who published I. F. Stone’s Weekly for several years and who is an icon for many journalists, worked for the KGB, according to recently-released KGB archival documents. More information about I. F. Stone’s work on behalf of the communists is coming to light thanks to an about-to-be-published book by John Earl Haynes, Harvey Klehr, and Alexander Vassiliev. More info here and here.


21 posted on 04/24/2009 1:55:33 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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here are the links:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/special-preview—i-f—stone—soviet-agent-case-closed-15120

http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/04/22/if-stone-soviet-spy/


22 posted on 04/24/2009 1:56:13 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

I. F. Stone, McClatchy "journalist" and KGB agent

23 posted on 04/24/2009 1:57:23 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: ravingnutter

nice!


24 posted on 04/24/2009 1:57:50 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

$oreA$$ is probably waiting to buy out the major Fishwraps when their stocks drop to penney stock values.


25 posted on 04/24/2009 3:01:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0B0Z0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax cheats?)
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To: ravingnutter; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the great list of links on this subject.


26 posted on 04/24/2009 5:24:19 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There are going to be a lot more people rounded up over the next year. I can see why they need to expand these prison facilities quickly.


27 posted on 04/24/2009 5:33:31 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (I still believe Duncan Hunter would have been the best solution... during this interim in time....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Probably had the flu the day the editors discussed it with their writers. ;’)


28 posted on 04/24/2009 6:40:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Thanks for your additions....I love good threads with a lot of references...
29 posted on 04/24/2009 7:31:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: ravingnutter

wow thank you


30 posted on 05/25/2009 7:31:33 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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