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Dem Congressman: ‘Nobody in This Country Realizes That Cap-and-Trade is a Tax’(Climate Pirates)
http://www.breitbart.tv ^ | 04-24-2009 | http://www.breitbart.tv

Posted on 04/24/2009 1:58:13 PM PDT by Maelstorm

"Nobody in this country realizes that cap-and-trade is a tax -- and it's a great big one," Rep. John Dingell (D-Michigan) said Friday.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 111th; capandtrade; dingell; michigan; taxincrease
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Just remember that cap and trade is a CO2 tax pure and simple. It will be the biggest gas (fuel) tax we've seen, it will be the biggest coal tax, it will prevent new coal plants being opened and will cause some to have to shut down. It means your electric bill will double and the cost to transport goods, fly on airplanes, fill up your car etc will become very expensive and all this money will go to Washington DC.
1 posted on 04/24/2009 1:58:13 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm
Nobody?

Only if you exclude FReepers...

2 posted on 04/24/2009 2:00:09 PM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013)
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To: Maelstorm
Most DemonRATS don't pay no stinkin taxes!
3 posted on 04/24/2009 2:00:22 PM PDT by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: Maelstorm; Shermy
"Nobody in this country realizes that cap-and-trade is a tax -- and it's a great big one,"

Well, yes. Unless we are going to go 100% nuclear, which I wish we would, it is a tax and its going to be paid by ordinary rate payers, which is to say, ordinary Americans.

And it has the additional attraction of being another form of money laundering, and the beneficiaries will be the oligarchs in suits. For them its a money machine.

4 posted on 04/24/2009 2:02:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: Maelstorm

“Nobody in this country realizes That Cap-and-Trade is a Tax???”

I certainly do, and a Commie power grab. They fully intend to destroy the U.S.

Actions have consequences, this will eventually play out, and it will not be pretty.


5 posted on 04/24/2009 2:02:19 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: timestax
Most DemonRATS don't pay no stinkin taxes!

They'll pay this one, because it will be on their electric bill.

6 posted on 04/24/2009 2:02:58 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Poor people will get “energy vouchers” to cover the energy bills. this is another redistribution scheme.


7 posted on 04/24/2009 2:04:25 PM PDT by Pantera
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To: marron
beneficiaries will be the oligarchs in suits

NO, it will be "tribute" (tax) to our Muzzie Overlords

I promise, I will NOT be a "good little" Dhemmi!

8 posted on 04/24/2009 2:04:46 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Maelstorm

Apparently that’s what happened to Dingle/Norwood. Dingle got a clue!


9 posted on 04/24/2009 2:08:45 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Maelstorm

THE ONLY CAP & TRADE SHOULD BE GOVERNMENT POWER & SPENDING!!!


10 posted on 04/24/2009 2:10:05 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Redneck Radicalized Right-Wing Extremist NOW RECRUITING - see Constitution for details!)
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To: Maelstorm

Everybody will know it soon enough.


11 posted on 04/24/2009 2:12:48 PM PDT by boroman
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To: Maelstorm

I think “nobody” refers to Obama supporters...

hh


12 posted on 04/24/2009 2:15:06 PM PDT by hoosier hick (Gotta go, millions of Obama supporters are counting on me to pay their mortgages)
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To: Texas Fossil

Exactly. People DO realize it. Those in power realize it, but won’t admit it. Its the big fat wad of $$ that is culmination of 20+ years of Propaganda.


13 posted on 04/24/2009 2:15:39 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Maelstorm
"Nobody in this country realizes that cap-and-trade is a tax -- and it's a great big one

Pretty much explainS how 0bama got elected - just superimpose cap-and-trade with 0bama & TAX with SOCIALISM and you begin to understand the gravity of the problem at hand.

The people have no clue WHO they voted for or what he really is.

If DingelL can come to this conclusion in less than 100 days then I'd have to say even Kindergartners can as well.

14 posted on 04/24/2009 2:16:17 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Texas Fossil
NO, it will be "tribute" (tax) to our Muzzie Overlords.

Don't Tread on Me. I will never bow to a Saudi King and if I ever meet the Queen of England, I will kick her in her large bottom and tell her to go back to Germany.

15 posted on 04/24/2009 2:16:48 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Maelstorm

As usual politicians trying to cover up and hide the truth. We really need to clean out our elected officials. They are worthless.


16 posted on 04/24/2009 2:19:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Brett66

“Dingle got a clue!”

Amazin’ ain’t it? I hope a few more Dems will speak up against this “Fiscal Suicide Bill”


17 posted on 04/24/2009 2:21:40 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Maelstorm

“It means your electric bill will double and the cost to transport goods, fly on airplanes, fill up your car etc will become very expensive and all this money will go to Washington DC. “

...so, what’s the problem? /sarc


18 posted on 04/24/2009 2:22:20 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Maelstorm

You mean no Democrat realizes the problem with cap and trade don’t you dingelberry?


19 posted on 04/24/2009 2:24:47 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Maelstorm

Nobody, A lot are aware of it. The Radical Democratic press just prefers to ignore it.

The Dumass DemoRat.


20 posted on 04/24/2009 2:26:06 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Maelstorm
Technically, “cap and trade” does not have to involve a tax. The government could simply set the cap & distribute the emission credits without charge. These credits would then be traded amongst producers.

The Obama version involves a huge tax grab; because the government would charge for the emission credits. It doesn't have to be that way — but, the tax grab is obviously what Obama really wants.

21 posted on 04/24/2009 2:26:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Pantera

“Poor people will get “energy vouchers” to cover the energy bills. this is another redistribution scheme.”

They will have no incentive to conserve since you will be paying their bill.


22 posted on 04/24/2009 2:30:48 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Maelstorm

Cap and trade will never pass. Too many dem congressmen and senators have to face their electorate next year.


23 posted on 04/24/2009 2:36:41 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The government could simply set the cap & distribute the emission credits without charge. These credits would then be traded amongst producers.

Meaning, they would be bought and sold among producers.

Thats a cost that gets passed to the rate payer, and its an opportunity for financial mischief that will make Oil for Food look like a kid's piggy bank, just like Oil for Food made Enron look like a kid's piggy bank.

24 posted on 04/24/2009 2:36:56 PM PDT by marron
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To: Maelstorm

This is kind of funny. I wonder how Dingle voted regarding taxes in the past?


25 posted on 04/24/2009 2:37:23 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Maelstorm

its a very big tax. the poor and middle class are going to be hardest hit


26 posted on 04/24/2009 2:40:06 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Maelstorm

A Democrat said this? Maybe there is HOPE. Or maybe some Dems are already fearing the CHANGE Congress will see after the next election.


27 posted on 04/24/2009 2:52:50 PM PDT by giotto
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Regardless it will have a huge economic impact because companies have to comply with the number of credits they are given and doing so will be VERY expensive even if the government gives them away. It is just a shell game.


28 posted on 04/24/2009 3:02:40 PM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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To: giotto

He never said he was against it and he was speaking among friends. Cap and Trade is just another stupid layer of bureaucracy for companies to have to deal with and we end up paying for it big time in the end.


29 posted on 04/24/2009 3:05:09 PM PDT by Maelstorm (It is better to to get outside of the box than to just think outside of it.)
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To: Maelstorm
Cap and Trade is just another stupid layer of bureaucracy for companies to have to deal with and we end up paying for it big time in the end.

Yes, but GE will be the better for it.

30 posted on 04/24/2009 3:09:33 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: GeronL
the poor and middle class are going to be hardest hit

Not really. The poor will get subsidized energy costs from the income on cap & trade. TOTUS said so in one of its speeches.

31 posted on 04/24/2009 3:10:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: TigersEye

The price of everything will go up. everything


32 posted on 04/24/2009 3:20:25 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com LIBERTY FICTION at libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: GeronL

Yes it will and that’s not counting inflation to come.


33 posted on 04/24/2009 3:23:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: GeronL

It will kill me and my family. We will have to move in an apt, me go back to work and my kids will have to stay home without me which would suck, but we’d do what we would have to.This better not pass. We can’t afford it!


34 posted on 04/24/2009 3:26:56 PM PDT by Halls (Esther 4:16 If I Parish, I parish.)
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To: giotto
VIDEO: Barack Obama: "Under my plan, which is a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily sykrocket..."

Roll this out during a deep economic recession... brilliant.

35 posted on 04/24/2009 3:36:22 PM PDT by 24-7Freeper
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To: Maelstorm
I just think it's hilarious that the same Democrats who joined a 98-0 vote against Kyoto are now FORCING the same garbage down our throats.
36 posted on 04/24/2009 3:53:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (It's time to waterboard that teleprompter and find out what it knows.)
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To: rjsimmon

Dear sir.

Just wanted to make you aware that you are half correct. The sheep who voted for people like Obama and yourself are in fact unware that this is a tax that will cause our bills to increase by $1800 a year.

The rest of us are aware and we are a bit ticked off. If you would be so kind as to hold daily press conferences repeating what you said here, I would have the ability to respect at least one elected democrat.


37 posted on 04/24/2009 4:00:47 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: TADSLOS
"Yes, but GE will be the better for it."

No they won't but it doesn't seem to matter to the current management team.

38 posted on 04/24/2009 4:47:25 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: yazoo
Boy are you optimistic. It is coming, so get ready, all of the Utilities are taking defensive action which will further depress the construction industry.
39 posted on 04/24/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: Maelstorm

If we really believed that carbon was a problem, and if we really wanted to do something about it, the answer is to build more nukes. And then build more nukes.


40 posted on 04/24/2009 5:18:09 PM PDT by marron
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To: Maelstorm
I don't disagree with your points. At best, a (tax-free) cap-and-trade system would be a “least bad” solution for global warming. Why “least bad” and not “good”, “better”, or “best”? Because there is no actual problem to solve!

Whether or not government takes a bite (and how could they resist?) — any expenditure to “fight global warming” is a dead-weight economic loss. And that goes double for any “solution”, where government takes a bite.

41 posted on 04/24/2009 5:27:55 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Rep. John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Wrong. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows exactly what cap and trade means, and know that it's a tax.
42 posted on 04/24/2009 6:56:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: grellis

forgot to ping ya.


43 posted on 04/24/2009 6:58:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Maelstorm

Just because the DemonCraps Minions don’t understand cap and trade doesn’t mean that “Intelligent” people (Republicans) don’t know exactly what it is.

How stupid does Mr Dingle (ling) think his people are? Obviously - Pretty stupid.


44 posted on 04/24/2009 7:54:22 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: Texas Fossil
A government that would pull cap and trade in a recession is off its nut.

45 posted on 04/24/2009 8:06:23 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: magooey
A government that would pull cap and trade in a recession is off its nut.

NO, they know what they are doing. They are intentionally hammering the "Self-Destruct" mechanism to force a global currency and global government on us.

The only question now, will the effort force an armed confrontation, or will they pear into the Abyss and blink.

This is not going to end well.

46 posted on 04/24/2009 8:14:14 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Maelstorm

Note that Dingell is not actually against a carbon tax. In fact, he favors it over cap and trade. He even thinks it’s a good idea. But he would go for cap and trade if we can “avoid making the mistakes the Europeans made.” Let’s not give Dingell a lot of credit here. He acknowledges that cap and trade is a tax, but he’s not against it on that basis.

The Democrats never met a tax they didn’t like.


47 posted on 04/24/2009 8:34:49 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: WHBates

“Boy are you optimistic. It is coming, so get ready”

Actually, its not. An amendment requiring 60 votes to pass cap and trade passed. Byrd and Rockefeller of WV have already said they will not vote in favor of cap and trade and there are other senators from coal producing states who will join them. So, it is for all practical purposes, dead.


48 posted on 04/25/2009 7:35:08 AM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: yazoo
Well, you really need to pay closer attention I think. What they can't do through legislation they will do through regulation and blame the cost increases on the utilities and other energy suppliers. Watch for the EPA and FERC to do what the Dems can't do by law. If they take that authority away by law I'll believe it's dead.
49 posted on 04/25/2009 8:11:05 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Texas Fossil

Why is it called “Cap”?


50 posted on 04/25/2009 8:19:19 AM PDT by Theodore R. (GWB is gone: Now the American sheeple can sleep at night!)
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