Skip to comments.L. Cheney: U.S. Did "Not Cross That Line Into Torture"
Posted on 04/24/2009 3:17:34 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
I know somebody posted the transcript of this exchange between Ms. Cheney and Ms. O'Donnell, but seeing it unfold before your eyes is a different thing.
Yup, it doesn’t come close to the level of torture.
Cheney/Palin....call it the ESTROGEN Party
The gauntlet is coming down!
There is a recruitment process stirring the pot further to enlist people to demonstate that bogus torture is not torture.
The list actually contains Women (yes, WOMEN) who are willing to be waterboarded or sit in the box with caterpillar-bugs to prove that these techniques are not morbid tortures. It may become the latest reality TV show!!
How funny and ironic is this?
Patriot women will make the blubbering terrorists look like wimpy baby-girls and espose the ACLU -Obama- Soross intentions. They need to find another target to distract the masses from their sick little Marxist game of blame for cover.
Cant wait to see the 2009 mock-torture updates...
Step right up for a buggy-scare/ waterbaoard folks
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For your viewing pleasure!
I agree with L. Chaney. However, watching Nancy Pelosi approximates torture.
THANK YOU MS. CHENEY
Will this very impressive woman, Elizabeth Cheney hold office? I would vote for her in a split second.
I think they do worse on the reality shows.
Boy! She is a great debater!
And - regarding the use of bugs to torture al Qaeda, anybody remember Fear Factor?
Schooled by one of the best...her father.
Here's the truth. Waterboarding U.S. POW's was cited in some war crime trials of Japanese troops after WWII. That's not because waterboarding is torture, but because it is physical and psychological abuse that is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions. These were U.S. soldiers captured in uniform on the battlefield entitled to those protections.
In contrast, KSM is an enemy combatant who deliberately violated his obligations under the Conventions and is not entitled to their protection. Our only obligation was not to torture him and I agree with Liz we didn't.
I thought this was going to be Lynn Cheney, the Vice-President’s wife, not his daughter Liz. Liz did a very credible job bitch slapping Laura O’Donnel.
Why was it possible for the U.S. to prosecute German military members who used water boarding during WWII? Wasn’t it because the rules of war forbid water boarding of captive soldiers? It may have been because water boarding was thought of as torture, but more importantly it wasn’t deemed appropriate for prisoners to be interrogated at all. Thus water boarding would have been a tactic of questioning, something that was out of bounds in total.
U.S. troops in Iraq do operate by Geneva Convention rules. It’s just that when it comes to terrorist combatants who target civilians, you have to up the ante. Should torture be used? I’ll leave that for others to argue here. I don’t think water boarding reaches the level of torture, if you have the right to question non-conforming terrorist combatants. And we undoubtedly do.
There are no rules governing non-conforming terrorist combatants’ treatment.
Thank you so much for posting this.
Liz was fantastic. She came across as knowledgable, confident, and focused. The interviewer came across as a cheap journalist trying to get a “gotcha” moment instead of considering the merits of Liz’s points.
Ever see the South American version of Fear Factor?
I was thinking this was Lynne Cheney. Now we have Liz Cheney, the daughter. Wow! I’ll take both of them.
Had the U.S. Supreme Court not ruled that the United States was bound by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in the case, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006), there would be no reason to go after the Bush Administration. I hope I have it correct, but it is this Geneva Convention, Protocol II (that dealt with combatants in non-international armed conflicts) that needed ratification by Congress to be law. Elements of such treatment were covered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Since there was no ratification, the court as usual, bypassed the legislative process and the will of the people.
She was probably honoring her husband being Vice-President.
I have only caught a part of Fear Factor American one time. Too goulish for me.
I think the approach the lefties will take is right up the middle, defining waterboarding as torture, which is illegal under U.S. law. I know it sounds nuts: how could you prosecute a lawyer for writing an opinion that the technique as approved for the CIA is not torture and is legal for conspiracy to engage in torture??? Well, think about an out of control political prosecutor (a la Fitz), a D.C. jury and an Obama appointee Judge. Talk about a kangaroo court.
Is O'D related to what's his name, the oft-raving lunatic with the same surname?
Love Liz's Lip Raise
Just like her old man's