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Asian-Americans blast UC Admissions Policy
AP Report ^ | April 24, 2009

Posted on 04/24/2009 7:19:29 PM PDT by Steelfish

Asian-Americans blast UC admissions policy They say new standards are unfair, will reduce their numbers on campus

April 24, 2009

SAN FRANCISCO - A new admissions policy set to take effect at the University of California system in three years is raising fears among Asian-Americans that it will reduce their numbers on campus, where they account for a remarkable 40 percent of all undergraduates.

University officials say the new standards — the biggest change in UC admissions since 1960 — are intended to widen the pool of high school applicants and make the process more fair.

But Asian-American advocates, parents and lawmakers are angrily calling on the university to rescind the policy, which will apply at all nine of the system's undergraduate campuses.

They point to a UC projection that said the new standards would sharply reduce Asian-American admissions while resulting in little change for blacks and Hispanics, and a big gain for white students.

"I like to call it affirmative action for whites," said Ling-chi Wang, a retired professor at UC Berkeley. "I think it's extremely unfair to Asian-Americans on the one hand and underrepresented minorities on the other."

Asian-Americans are the single largest ethnic group among UC's 173,000 undergraduates. In 2008, they accounted for 40 percent at UCLA and 43 percent at UC Berkeley — the two most selective campuses in the UC system — as well as 50 percent at UC San Diego and 54 percent at UC Irvine.

Asian-Americans are about 12 percent of California's population and 4 percent of the U.S. population overall.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: admissions; asianamericans; highereducation; preferences
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1 posted on 04/24/2009 7:19:29 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Well, that’s what they get for making underachiever look bad. It’s only fair.


2 posted on 04/24/2009 7:22:49 PM PDT by tbpiper (How would you define a 'domestic enemy of the constitution'?)
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To: Steelfish
Asian-Americans are about 12 percent of California's population and 4 percent of the U.S. population overall.

That's more of a minority than either blacks or Hispanics.

Oh wait, I forgot, "minority" is liberal doublespeak for any uneducated group that the leftists want to keep down in order to stay in power.

3 posted on 04/24/2009 7:24:21 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Steelfish

At least these schools can look forward to much better frat parties.


4 posted on 04/24/2009 7:24:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88
Possibly ~ many Asian origin folks simply can't drink alcohol.

However, that's no reason for the State of California to target them for removal again.

5 posted on 04/24/2009 7:30:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PGR88
Possibly ~ many Asian origin folks simply can't drink alcohol.

However, that's no reason for the State of California to target them for removal again.

6 posted on 04/24/2009 7:30:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PGR88
Possibly ~ many Asian origin folks simply can't drink alcohol.

However, that's no reason for the State of California to target them for removal again.

7 posted on 04/24/2009 7:31:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish

Remember the words of the inimitable Dr. Sowell. I paraphrase - “Over or under-representation in any field of human endeavor is the norm and not the exception.” Those pesky Asian-Americans do very well indeed in academia. How in the hell do they achieve this standard of excellence while being a minority and ergo, suppressed and oppressed by the man?


8 posted on 04/24/2009 7:31:53 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: Steelfish

They keep voting Democrat, then complain about the results...

http://www.asiansvote.com/entries/000162.shtml


9 posted on 04/24/2009 7:31:59 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (Global warming? Watch Solar Cycle 24, baby, not CO levels...)
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To: Steelfish

here’s a radical thought

why not just accept those who have the highest grades into the school instead of basing it on race, religion or what ever groups the left likes to give

When they Asian who are they referring to
Chinese or Indian, Pakistani or Thai
Asia is a big coiuntry with different looks

I wish they would be more precise if they are going to class people

In the UK they call Pakistanis, paki for short Asians as the left deems the words Pakistani or paki racist

So when the police issue a look out , they say Asian male
Not exactly direct is it and they wonder they they never catch anyone


10 posted on 04/24/2009 7:33:48 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick queer sham--- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Steelfish
Uh... the truth is that the system is already stacked against Asian students, and it's not the white students that are taking their earned slots.

But until now, it wasn't PC for them to raise objections, since it was not the white students whose slots were being expanded.

IMHO, the UC system should be sold off to the private sector and save the taxpayer's money.

Then it would not be a political football.

11 posted on 04/24/2009 7:36:37 PM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: manc

“...When they Asian who are they referring to
Chinese or Indian, Pakistani or Thai
Asia is a big coiuntry with different looks...”

It’s such a big country some would even call it a continent! Sorry, I couldn’t resist...


12 posted on 04/24/2009 7:37:31 PM PDT by phatus maximus ( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
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To: Steelfish
They're just upset because they haven't learned to feel guilty about their undeserved privileges yet. (Seriously, the whole "privilege" concept is key to understanding how liberals are currently defining racist -- see here.)
13 posted on 04/24/2009 7:38:35 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Steelfish
They're just upset because they haven't learned to feel guilty about their undeserved privileges yet. (Seriously, the whole "privilege" concept is key to understanding how liberals are currently defining racist -- see here.)
14 posted on 04/24/2009 7:39:49 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Steelfish

So instead of finding out why poor-to-middle income Asians do significantly better at school than poor-to-middle income Blacks and poor-to-middle income Hispanics— liberals just ask for more money!! Unbelievable.


15 posted on 04/24/2009 7:40:57 PM PDT by exist
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To: phatus maximus; manc; Reverend Wright

Very unclear if they’re including Indians as “Asians”, who have a very very different Democrat voting habit than Southeast Asians who tend to vote conservative.

Also ethnic Chinese tend to vote more Democrat.

I ran across a site many years ago that at one time tracked this stuff through polling within Asian American ethnic communities, but being a political site with a leftie slant, they eventually stopped showing that info because it starkly illustrated what I said above. They needed a monolithic “Asian” voting bloc, not one with a range of political interests and political opinions.

That’s how lefties work.


16 posted on 04/24/2009 7:48:07 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Steelfish
"I think it's extremely unfair to Asian-Americans on the one hand...

But it's fair that half the students are Asian when only 12% of Californians are Asian? Imagine how outraged he'd be if the percentage of whites students was four times their population percentages. He'd blow a gasket.

Note he mentioned Asian-Americans. No one has any problem with an Asian-American getting admitted over a nonAsian-American, as long as his grades are better, all other things being equal. Admissions should be grade-based and strictly competitive, imo, race playing no role whatsoever.

What I didn't like when I was at UC, was the huge number of Chinese nationals who gain admission over American students. The place was overflowing with them, both among the undergraduate and graduate ranks.

And forget about the number of Chinese professors! Of all the Chinese professors in the math and physics departments at the two campuses I attended, only one was a natural born American citizen. The rest were all foreign nationals. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were spies. Even dropped a couple of classes because their accents were so bad, you couldn't understand a thing they were saying.

17 posted on 04/24/2009 7:50:00 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: angkor
Very unclear if they’re including Indians as “Asians”, who have a very very different Democrat voting habit than Southeast Asians who tend to vote conservative.

Any hard numbers to back this up? I work in a company filled with Indians - my conversations tend to turn up an awful lot of conservative or libertarian types among them.
18 posted on 04/24/2009 7:57:25 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I have yet to meet a left wing Asian.


19 posted on 04/24/2009 8:29:30 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: manc
In the UK they call Pakistanis, paki for short Asians as the left deems the words Pakistani or paki racist

You have it wrong dude. Pakistani is very proper. To use the word "Paki" would be the equal of calling Clarence Thomas the N WORD, though many on the left do refer to Clarence Thomas by this term.

20 posted on 04/24/2009 8:38:36 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Reverend Wright
The first problem with your report is that it was prepared by an organization dominated by Democrat operatives. They claim they used "exit poll" data ~ always unreliable.

The second problem is they did not differentiate between South Asians (Pakistanis and Saudis and Iraqis) and East Asians.

The patterns are going to be different. One detailed study I saw indicated that Philippinos voted Republican. Hard to tell how Japanese-Americans in the 48 voted because they no longer live in concentrated areas but are "assimilated". Most Chinese are equally assimilated and difficult to track with any sort of statistically meaningful survey.

The answer is no one really knows how Asian-Americans as a group are voting, but Fur Shur the ones getting booted out of UC's school system are East Asians. If they weren't voting Republican before they will be now.

21 posted on 04/24/2009 8:38:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibWhacker
When it comes to non-verbal types, e.g. mathematicians, physicists, engineers, it's up to the student to also learn to understand the professor, not the other way around.
22 posted on 04/24/2009 8:40:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Reverend Wright

Excellent point. With the possible exception of the Vietnamese, most Asians (Chinese and Indians in particular) tend to vote Drats as do Middle-Easterners.


23 posted on 04/24/2009 8:42:35 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
The new policy, approved unanimously by the UC Board of Regents in February, will greatly expand the applicant pool, eliminate the requirement that applicants take two SAT subject tests and reduce the number of students guaranteed admission based on grades and test scores alone. It takes effect for the freshman class of fall 2012.
President defends policy Some Asian-Americans have charged that the university is trying to reduce Asian-American enrollment. Others say that may not be the intent, but it will be the result.
UC officials adamantly deny the intent is to increase racial diversity, and reject allegations the policy is an attempt to circumvent a 1996 voter-approved ban on affirmative action.
"The primary goal is fairness and eliminating barriers that seem unnecessary," UC President Mark Yudof said. "It means that if you're a parent out there, more of your sons' and daughters' files will be reviewed."

Voters? What do they matter? Test scores? Who cares about 'em? We need a BETTER way to do things! We need a SMART admission policy! /libthink>

24 posted on 04/24/2009 8:49:15 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
A pretty stark admission that grades and test scores are "unnecessary barriers" in good ol' Cali.

Look for the some CA schools to start dropping out of the Top 20 soon, since they're driving away their best and brightest.

25 posted on 04/24/2009 8:53:11 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Steelfish

Perhaps if the students in question stopped identifying themselves as a specific hyphenated ethnic group - they would have better luck convincing others, they should not be discriminated against when they’re in the majority.

Just saying.

Racism is racism.

I don’t know any (white) American, not even one I have ever met, who has identified as “European-American”.

Not one.

Ever.


26 posted on 04/24/2009 8:53:53 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Got Tea?)
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To: angkor; PotatoHeadMick; muawiyah

Research I was doing prior to the election indicated they would be voting heavily Democrat. I think it has always been that way. They do not identify with lefty liberalism as a whole, but they do vote overwhelming D. Nearly every elected Asian official is a D. The Asian websites were all promoting the D party and strengthening their voice with the D vote. Muslims were encouraed to do the same - vote with one voice-D.

I’m guessing the Asian D-vote was in the high 80%tile.


27 posted on 04/24/2009 10:37:16 PM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: Steelfish; angkor; PotatoHeadMick; muawiyah

That’s right. In CA, they were in support of Hillary 80/20, but defaulted to Obama when up against McCain.

www.aaldef.org/article.php?article_id=29

The Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund today released a report on a multilingual exit poll of more than 4,700 Asian-American voters in nine states, conducted during the 2006 elections. Among its findings:

Four out of five Asian-American voters supported Democratic candidates in top races such as the Senate contests in New Jersey and Virginia. South Asians—such as Asian-Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis—were the most Democratic, the report said.

Southeast Asians, such as Vietnamese, were the least likely to be enrolled in the Democratic Party. Filipinos had the highest rates of people enrolled in the Republican Party (22%), but a majority (52%) were Democrats and nearly a quarter (24%) were not enrolled in either party.


28 posted on 04/24/2009 10:48:21 PM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: Gemsbok

Very interesting info. Thanks.


29 posted on 04/24/2009 10:57:56 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

you can poke around here:

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_alt_category.html?category_id=95


30 posted on 04/25/2009 1:44:19 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Gemsbok

>>>>>> The Asian websites were all promoting the D party and strengthening their voice with the D vote. <<<<<<<

Don’t promote the the Rat idea that “Asians” are monolithic. They’re not.

It has been polled over and over again (less more recently though) that Filipinos and Vietnamese have held conservative political views at 70 and 70 percent margins.

Here’s the site I mentioned below, don’t know if they archive the older polls showing thatwithout any ambiguity:

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_alt_category.html?category_id=95

Be careful. As I said earlier it’s a leftie site and they’ve become less objective and honest in more recent years.


31 posted on 04/25/2009 1:52:31 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Gemsbok

>>>>> South Asians—such as Asian-Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis—were the most Democratic, the report said. <<<<<<

“Asian-Indians” ???????


32 posted on 04/25/2009 1:55:02 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Gemsbok
Problem with polling in Virginia is that we don't register by party.

At the same time the East Asians are dramatically outnumbered by the South Asians virtually all of whom think the Democrats are the "party of the people".

In my experience most South Asians are very gullible when it comes to conmen and Democrat liars.

33 posted on 04/25/2009 5:50:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: phatus maximus
LOL! Asia is such a big country some would even call it a continent! That would make a great tag line. Then there is Hispaniola, which is such a big country that it spans three continents.
34 posted on 04/25/2009 5:57:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Reverend Wright
From your link:

Michigan Proposal 2: Rejecting claims that Asian Americans are hurt by affirmative action programs, three in four Asian American voters voted No to Proposal 2, which seeks to end race- and gender-based affirmative action programs in education, hiring, contracting, and health initiatives. More than 300 Asian American voters—including Arab Americans—participated in AALDEF’s exit poll survey in Michigan . Proposal 2 passed by a wide margin, 58% to 42% .

In other words, they are defining the Muzzies in Michigan the same way the British define them (Asians) rather than the way our census bureau defines them (Caucasian unless they are from Indonesia, Malaysia and points east, in which case the become Asian).

35 posted on 04/25/2009 6:03:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: angkor

Yes, people from India are classified as Asian-Indians to differentiate the term from Ameri-Indians (Native-Americans).

I’ve seen that classification & terminology over the past few years.

It is true that they are not a monolithic voting group, but because the Vietnamese, Filipino, Samoan, Viet Cong, Laotian, and other groups represent small fractions of a percentage, they generally end up lumped together.


36 posted on 04/25/2009 8:19:25 AM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: Steelfish

“”are intended to widen the pool of high school applicants and make the process more fair.””

Fair? Hmmm


37 posted on 04/25/2009 8:30:14 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: muawiyah

No, students should simply drop the class and take it from someone who speaks English. They’ll get better teachers. If they want to learn Mandarin, they can take a class in it.


38 posted on 04/25/2009 8:46:10 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Gemsbok

guess we need to stop immigration form these pro-democrate voting groups. we shouldonly allow imigration by folks that believe inteh constitution and bill of rights, thatwould prevent any from voting demoncrat.

no wonder the liberals like all these refuges, they tend to vote demoncrat.

but hey we all one big melting pot, all ideas are equaly good, all religions equal, all political and economic systems equall. that why we open our doors to all the worlds refuse. now look what we got. socialism voted in by the masses that were raised on socialism, and never taught true American history.


39 posted on 04/25/2009 11:14:43 AM PDT by dhm914
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To: Gemsbok
It is true that they are not a monolithic voting group, but because the Vietnamese, Filipino, Samoan, Viet Cong, Laotian, and other groups represent small fractions of a percentage, they generally end up lumped together.

Your examples above perfectly illustrate the problem.

The Vietnamese, Khmer, Malay, Thai, and others in the SE Asian region are not of the same ethnicity.

So if one wants to conduct political opinion polls based on the East or Southeast Asia geographical region, that's one thing.

If one then says "Well, it's really a poll of the Asian ethnicity," it is absolutely stupid.

There is no "Asian ethnicity."

40 posted on 04/25/2009 12:05:54 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Your absolutely right.
However, that’s how researchers-demographers categorize and label.

Researching ‘Asian’ as a demographic yields some very interesting contrasts among ethnicities if you can find studies that break them out.

If my memory is correct, the Indian population had they highest family stability scores and fit the model of what we once knew as the traditional family (highest rate of marriage, lowest divorce rate, child abandonment does not exist, strongest cohesiveness of extended family unity, and virtually no one lives alone - always with a bro, sis, cousin, aunt or some familial relation.)
They also had the highest rate of Bachelor, Masters and PhD degrees, surpassing the degree holders among White-Americans. They also had <.01% figures on incarceration as did most of the rest of the labeled ‘Asian ethnicities.’ But, at the same time, we need to examine this from the perspecitve that only the most fortunate of the native India population is able to immigrate to the US.

If I find a link to these studies in the next few days, I’ll ping you back here.


41 posted on 04/25/2009 2:17:14 PM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: exist
So instead of finding out why poor-to-middle income Asians do significantly better at school than poor-to-middle income Blacks and poor-to-middle income Hispanics— liberals just ask for more money!! Unbelievable.

The upsetting thing for Liberals is that low-income Asians score better on the SAT than upper-middle-class blacks. It blows away a lot of their favorite theories if examined too closely.

42 posted on 04/25/2009 2:20:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Gemsbok
Well knock yourself out on this site :)

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_alt_category.html?category_id=95

It has a lot of “Asian” polling info that goes back several years.

However in more recent years they have gotten sloppy in conflating ethnicities as mentioned in the above post.

43 posted on 04/25/2009 2:39:47 PM PDT by angkor
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To: dhm914

Asians are too small a % (3-4) to be the problem. Plus, the majority contribute very greatly to American society. The huge majority come from “in-tact” families, stable homes, and have advanced very well through the education system. They are hard-working entrepeuneurs and established professionals. They are misaligned with the Donkey party for odd reasons like global warming or wrongly thinking it is the party of non-discrimination. If they have been raised in ‘collectivism’ they may not yet understand or appreciate individualism and independence.

Vietnamese, Koreans, and some Chinese who have lived in or near Communism clearly recognize our trainUSA has left the station.
Cubans sadly see it, too.
I witnessed Cubans openly weeping after the election.
They said “Cuba got change in 1959” and “I can’t believe America would fall like this.” Likewise, the few Vietnamese I have spoken with are mortified in disbelief.

Change=Chains


44 posted on 04/25/2009 2:56:31 PM PDT by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: muawiyah

The Chinese men and women I knew in Taiwan (I lived there for most of the 90s) had no trouble packing it away. And those Tibetans were mean drunks!

Fewer Asians at college keggers may simply mean that they are a little more serious about their studies than the average Joe (or Jane) Campus. If so, good for them!


45 posted on 04/25/2009 3:04:05 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Poe White Trash

NOT ALL Asians have the gene that makes them turn red and puke their guts out from alcohol poisoning ~ but plenty do.


46 posted on 04/25/2009 3:17:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>>> NOT ALL Asians have the gene that makes them turn red and puke their guts out from alcohol poisoning ~ but plenty do. <<<

Plenty DON’T, as far as I can tell.

Are you telling me that all of the bars I saw — and visited — when I was there existed because Chinese like to puke their guts out on a regular basis? They must puke very quietly (and out of sight!)

... and that all of the convenience stores I saw that sold beer bottles of beer and distilled liquor sold the stuff to Chinese masochists who like to get alchohol poisoning?

... and that the trip I took to the Taiwan Beer plant was just in my imigination?

Sure. Yeah.


47 posted on 04/25/2009 9:30:21 PM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Poe White Trash
There are lots and lots of Asians ~ MILLIONS and MILLIONS. If only half of them show up at the beer joints on Saturday night that's gonna' be a crowd.

Looks like you met them all.

You might well try reading through this piece to give you an idea of what this is about: http://www.treatmentonline.com/blog/index.asp?blog_id=2270

48 posted on 04/26/2009 5:44:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>>> There are lots and lots of Asians ~ MILLIONS and MILLIONS. If only half of them show up at the beer joints on Saturday night that’s gonna’ be a crowd. <<<

Actually, there are BILLIONS and BILLIONS of Asians. If only half of them had the ability to show up at bars on Friday night, then that would be a lot less than the “MANY Asian origin folks” from your first post.

>>> Looks like you met them all. <<<

It looks like you tested and counted them all.

How many is many? 10,000 out of 2 billion? 100,000 out of 2 billion? Sickle-cell anemia is an inherited problem that occurs in populations of African descent, but to say that MANY Africans have it, without quantifying that many, is idiotic.

Or, let’s look at Tay-Sachs disease. Everyone knows that it is more prevalent among Ashkenazi Jew and French Canadian populations. However, that doesn’t mean that MANY Ashkenazi Jews have Tay-Sachs (it’s a rare disease in any population, just not as rare among the Ashkenazi).

Seems to me that if a country has breweries and distilleries, and bars, and beer and spirits readily available for sale, that MANY here actually means A FEW.

>>> You might well try reading through this piece to give you an idea of what this is about: http://www.treatmentonline.com/blog/index.asp?blog_id=2270 <<<

I read pieces like that before my first post. No quantification of the occurrence of this phenomena — no wonder you like this source of information. It’s as vague about numbers as you are.

Get a life, and stop mischaracterizing Asians, East or South, as being folks who can’t safely drink liquor.


49 posted on 04/26/2009 6:42:15 AM PDT by Poe White Trash
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To: Poe White Trash
don't be ridiculous. Half the Asians is still one large mess of people ~ "many" in fact.

There's a reason you didn't run into the alcohol intolerant half.

50 posted on 04/26/2009 11:39:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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